Tell me this wouldn't be cool... by Wulfenstar

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

heheheheheh

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Monday, November 16, 2009 11:59 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

And he gets to frak Goldie Hahn.

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Monday, November 16, 2009 12:09 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

See why you appeal to, Wulf?

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Monday, November 16, 2009 12:10 PM

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Its says a lot that I would rather appeal to PN, than to you Niki.

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Monday, November 16, 2009 4:44 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Its says a lot that I would rather appeal to PN, than to you Niki.

Yes, it does. What it says isn't good, though. :P

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:59 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

In the world of the movie, shutting down all technology seems like a fun idea.

In our world, someone doing such a thing would essentially be committing murder against most of the world population.

Whatever complaints you might have against the system as we have it, the hundreds of millions of innocent deaths caused by such an act would be most regrettable.

Even worse, since M-16's don't need power to operate, and since the local military has a certain quantity of resources stockpiled, the powers that be would be the last to feel the pinch. Military assets would race to seize all other resources and leave folks like you and me begging for water and foodstuffs.

It would be hard to imagine a more horrible end to the world.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:01 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Whatever complaints you might have against the system as we have it, the hundreds of millions of innocent deaths caused by such an act would be most regrettable.

Military assets would race to seize all other resources and leave folks like you and me begging for water and foodstuffs.

It would be hard to imagine a more horrible end to the world.

Dont you already have your hidden underground bunker stocked to the roof? Dont forget the TP.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:09 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Bunkers of supplies are only useful if the system is expected to come back on, or if resources are expected to become available at some point in the near future.

A good South Florida man keeps a month's worth of stuff in the house just in case of a bad hurricane.

But if that stuff runs out, and the system is still down, you just die later than the rest.

It's not like you can plant a sustainable system, like a farm. The military patrols would simply seize it. All the other starving people will be fighting over venison, pigeons, and eventually rats. Just going outside to look for resources might be a death sentence.

However 'cool' this might be in your head, it wouldn't be cool at all in reality.

--Anthony

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:47 AM

Anthony, I think you missed Wulfie's point. As long as he finally gets to shoot people, he's happy, no matter what else may come. He has a hard-on for death.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:51 AM

Um, wait, If the guy just put in some sort of "world code" (666? Really? Who woulda guessed!) that disabled all technology and electronics, how come his hologram was unaffected?

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:04 AM

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It was affected, it goes dark after he punches the code.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:06 AM

Hmm, seems like there was a delay, but okay.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:11 AM

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The point is that he set everything back to 0.

Sort of like Tyler Durden did at the end of Fight Club.

"Welcome to the human race."

lol One of the best lines EVAR!

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:29 AM

DREAMTROVE

I didn't see the movie, I liked the first one, but there weren't great reviews for the second, now I see why.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:31 AM

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Ehh, the movie was crap... but the character of Snake Pliskeen (whom, btw, is the source for Solid Snake) is AWESOME!

Totally geeking out over here...

:)

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:56 AM

Pet peeve of mine: Tyler Durden was not the anarchist he claimed to be. The society he builds all during the film is an authoritarian personality cult that treats all its members like shit.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:58 AM

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No, he was pointing out that we aren't all "special little snowflakes".

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:02 AM

Except for Tyler Durden, who controls every aspect of their lives, makes them all quit their jobs and leave their families and live in sweatshops where they produce bombs from soap.

Tyler Durden is their authoritarian personality cult leader. He considered every single other person expendable for the very reason you were citing.

And, BTW, he's wrong, and his message is a message of self-destruction and nihilism. Hence the beating the shit out of each other.

Why do you think at the end of the movie he becomes a villain? Why do you think Edward Norton is trying to stop Brad Pitt?

I believe in anarchism. What Tyler Durden was trying to create was NOT anarchism. The pop-culture worship of Tyler Durden frustrates the hell out of me because he was not representing what he SAYS he was. That was just the hook he was using to recruit followers.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Except for Tyler Durden, who controls every aspect of their lives, makes them all quit their jobs and leave their families and live in sweatshops where they produce bombs from soap.

Tyler Durden is their authoritarian personality cult leader. He considered every single other person expendable for the very reason you were citing.

And, BTW, he's wrong, and his message is a message of self-destruction and nihilism. Hence the beating the shit out of each other.

Bingo.

I like Fight Club, but didn't feel like emulating any of the characters, or holding them up as heroes. Tyler Durden poked at the system, which amuses me some. But that's about as far as that goes.

And remember, Wulf - the 9/11 hijackers were just trying to "set everything back to zero", as was Major Hasan, in his own way. The actions you applaud, and the heroes you cheer, leave real, live, actual dead people in their wakes. I know you don't have a problem with that, but you should know that the dead may well be YOUR family, since things rarely work out the way you expect they will. Still sound like a good idea? I know you're willing to throw your own life away for your "cause", but are you willing to throw away the lives of your wife and children, too? 'Cause that's part of the cost, ya know.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:11 AM

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Except he wasn't a villain.

It takes a lot to shake the somnambulist public from their repose.

"Fuck off with your sofa units and strine green stripe patterns, I say never be complete, I say stop being perfect, I say let... lets evolve, let the chips fall where they may.

Only after disaster can we be resurrected.

Tomorrow will be the most beautiful day of Raymond K. Hessel's life. His breakfast will taste better than any meal you and I have ever tasted.

First you have to give up, first you have to *know*... not fear... *know*... that someday you're gonna die.

It's getting exciting now, two and one-half. Think of everything we've accomplished, man. Out these windows, we will view the collapse of financial history. One step closer to economic equilibrium.

Man, I see in fight club the strongest and smartest men who've ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.

In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

You're not your job. You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your fucking khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.

Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing. Like the first monkey shot into space.

You had to give it to him: he had a plan. And it started to make sense, in a Tyler sort of way. No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide."

Making soap as I speak, btw. heehehe.

ETA: Seriously, I learned to make soap after watching this movie, and then reading the book. Of course they never really gave the formula for nitroglycerin... heh. Found it anyways.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:12 AM

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I believe in anarchism. What Tyler Durden was trying to create was NOT anarchism. The pop-culture worship of Tyler Durden frustrates the hell out of me because he was not representing what he SAYS he was.

That's the problem with the pop-culture representation of Anarchism - it's not anarchism at all, not even close. It's nihilism, it's wanton and senseless destruction just for the fireworks show and the puppet theatre. Anarchism as it's portrayed in the popular culture really IS the bomb-throwing lunatic in the black cape, 'cause that's all they understand or can grasp. That's the image people have of it, because the reality of anarchism is much more civilized and mundane. It is, as Groucho Marx said, "How about everybody leave everybody else the hell alone." That's it in a nutshell. You do your thing, I'll do mine, and we needn't be at each other's throats over the little stuff.

But that doesn't make for great viewing or dramatic tension.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:18 AM

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:22 AM

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:26 AM

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Except he wasn't a villain.

Then why is the narrator prepared to die to stop him? Why, in the book, does the narrator shoot himself in the head to keep Tyler Durden from ever coming back?

Because Tyler Durden was a nihilistic animal who didn't care about the people he stepped on to create HIS BETTER WORLD.

Better world. Sound familiar? Tyler Durden was planning on killing himself in that last bombing, do you know why? Because it would inspire his followers as a martyr, sure. But also because he reveled in the destruction, wanted to destroy himself as a fragmented section of the narrators personality who HATED himself. Because he was a monster who has no place in his BETTER WORLD.

Authoritarians can be found in odd places, but Tyler Durden is one, just as the Operative in Serenity is one.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:47 AM

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He was prepared to die to stop him because he wanted to regain control over his own life.

Sound familiar?

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:05 AM