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...and BTW , bragging on sucking gubmint teat ain't exactly distinguishing you as smart...

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posted by Out2theBlack:

...and BTW , bragging on sucking gubmint teat ain't exactly distinguishing you as smart...

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This coming from the person who was trying to tell someone the best way to go about applying for disability through Social Security... So you seem to have experience in not exactly distinguishing yourself as smart.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Worst case? The guy dies. We tried to help when no one else would. Second-worse case? He's a fraud and takes the Browncoats for a tidy little sum. Big deal. If and when I give a "homeless" person money on the street, I don't expect that it's going towards a downpayment on a house; I pretty much expect it's going towards booze.

Let us know how we can help, and we're there. I don't have much in this world, but I don't have so little that I can't share what I do have.

Let's make this happen! We're Browncoats, dammit - we LIVE for this kind of thing!

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Originally posted by SignyM:
O2B... you're beginning to deserve the moniker Out2Lunch.

Whoa there. Slow down, take a deep breath, or I'll be forced to ignore you.

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Originally posted by out2theblack:

Squicko , you continually distinguish yourself as an imbecile , and you take cheap shots at others' misfortune...

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On the other hand , I'm not a Pharisee like yourself , but rather , a TRUE Humanitarian...
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=40677

Sure , I told some folk how to go and get THEIR coin , which was stolen from them with an adhesion contract , beginning before they could legally consent or be a party to a contract , in many instances...

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Originally posted by out2theblack:

I'll bring the Magnum of latex...

You'll be the one needing to take the deep breaths...Huff away !

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
...Of course, you didn't bother to actually READ anything in that post you cited above, or you'd have seen that the person in need can't really get HIS "coin, which was stolen from [him]", because he's never been able to work, and thus has not paid into the system. So in the truest sense, it's NOT "his" coin, but rather OURS, the nation's, all of the people's.

But you, safely ensconced in your cloud of asinine, want to rail against "the gubmint" stealing your money, and other "sucking off the gubmint teat", all the while calling yourself a "true humanitarian".

You offer advice on how to suck off the government tit, then disparage those who you claim do so, all while patting yourself on the back for "helping" and being a "true" humanitarian. Tell me, where in that post did you actually offer to help, with YOUR "coin", out of YOUR pocket?

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I'll bring the Magnum of latex...

You'll be the one needing to take the deep breaths...Huff away !

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Wow. You ARE a smooth-tongued devil, aren't you? When losing an argument with Rue or Signy, you always seem ready to offer your services as the rapist. Very classy of you.

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I'll bring the Magnum of latex...

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Wow. You ARE a smooth-tongued devil, aren't you? When losing an argument with Rue or Signy, you always seem ready to offer your services as a rapist. Very classy of you.

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Nope...StickyNymph offered her services to me , in the first place...

But , you are right about me being 'classy'. That's why I bring Truth to them as need it told !

And , you misspelled 'THE RAPIST'.

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as is my humanitarianism...

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
as is my humanitarianism...

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

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as is my humanitarianism...

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Gee, imma humanitarian too!
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitlew8o9d7bzvtia?from=Mai
n.ImAHumanitarian
Just not the happy, friendly kind.


-Frem

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as is my humanitarianism...

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Ah yes. Your humanitarianism. We can ALL see what a "humaitarian" you are.

'Fraid I'm going to have to start ignoring you again.

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Gorramned idjits .

Those who know not , know not that they know not...

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Hmmm , lookit , the shooter has been taken off his ventilator , but remains in intensive care , unable to communicate...

Dead men tell no tales...

Any bets on when this guy dies ?

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Originally posted by Drago:
I note with some skepticism that it was not until the FBI became deeply involved that we begin to get 'evidence' that he was shouting 'Allah Ackbar!' in an extremist Muslim manner and was making blog posts that 'encouraged and praised' extremist Muslim terrorists and suicide bombers.

:\ It seems like "He was screaming Allah Ackbar while he shot at us!" is something you'd have heard ASAP, considering, since it's a dramatic thing and would be really easy for news services to get people to admit.

But no. It's almost two days later when the FBI comes in that we hear about all the guy's extremist Muslim activities.

Riiiiight.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Gino, she's unfortunately not going to be able to respond to you until after the 26th of November. Just so you know.

You might consider sending her a PM, she'll probably get an e-mail notice of your reply here in this thread, but depending on how long it's been off the front page, you might not get an answer.

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

...what do you think about depression and side effects to prescription pain meds...


I went off for a few days last week, and was more than a little... lets say " jittery "


if you add to that the stress of being deployed to a war you consider immoral and useless as well as being surround by co-workers who treat you like crap...


I couldn't honestly rule out opening fire myself after my experience last week... you just don't think straight in those situations


any thoughts or revelations?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Wow, that should totally be helpful to Gino in working with his depression and pain! [/snark]

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I am probably alive because I pulled a ---------- and entered the wrong building first (the main SRP building).

The Medical SRP building is off to the side. Realizing my mistake I left the main building and walked down the sidewalk to the medical SRP building. As I'm walking up to it the gunshots start. Slow and methodical. But continuous. Two ambulatory wounded came out. Then two soldiers dragging a third who was covered in blood. Hearing the shots but not seeing the shooter, along with a couple other soldiers I stood in the street and yelled at everyone who came running that it was clear but to "RUN!". I kept motioning people fast. about 6-10 minutes later (the shooting continuous), two cops ran up. one male, one female. we pointed in the direction of the shots. they headed that way (the medical SRP building was about 50 meters away). then a lot more gunfire. a couple minutes later a balding man in ACU's came around the building carrying a pistol and holding it tactically. He started shooting at us and we all dived back to the cars behind us. I don't think he hit the couple other guys who were there. I did see the bullet holes later in the cars. First I went behind a tire and then looked under the body of the car. I've been trained how to respond to gunfire...but with my own weapon. To have no weapon I don't know how to explain what that felt like. I hadn't run away and stayed because I had thought about the consequences or anything like that. I wasn't thinking anything through. Please understand, there was no intention. I was just staying there because I didn't think about running. It never occurred to me that he might shoot me.

Until he started shooting in my direction and I realized I was unarmed. Then the female cop comes around the corner. He shoots her. (according to the news accounts she got a round into him. I believe it, I just didn't see it. he didn't go down.) She goes down. He starts reloading. He's fiddling with his mags. Weirdly he hasn't dropped the one that was in his weapon. He's holding the fresh one and the old one (you do that on the range when time is not of the essence but in combat you would just let the old mag go). I see the male cop around the left corner of the building. (I'm about 15-20 meters from the shooter.) I yell at the cop, "He's reloading, he's reloading. Shoot him! Shoot him!) You have to understand, everything was quiet at this point. The cop appears to hear me and comes around the corner and shoots the shooter. He goes down. The cop kicks his weapon further away. I sprint up to the downed female cop. Another captain (I think he was with me behind the cars) comes up as well. She's bleeding profusely out of her thigh. We take our belts off and tourniquet her just like we've been trained (I hope we did it right...we didn't have any CLS (combat lifesaver) bags with their awesome tourniquets on us, so we worked with what we had). Meanwhile, in the most bizarre moment of the day, a photographer was standing over us taking pictures. I suppose I'll be seeing those tomorrow.

Then a soldier came up and identified himself as a medic. I then realized her weapon was lying there unsecured (and on "fire"). I stood over it and when I saw a cop yelled for him to come over and secure her weapon (I would have done so but I was worried someone would mistake me for a bad guy). I then went over to the shooter. He was unconscious. A Lt Colonel was there and had secured his primary weapon for the time being. He also had a revolver. I couldn't believe he was one of ours. I didn't want to believe it. Then I saw his name and rank and realized this wasn't just some specialist with mental issues. At this point there was a guy there from CID and I asked him if he knew he was the shooter and had him secured. He said he did. I then went over the slaughter house. the medical SRP building. No human should ever have to see what that looked like. and I won't tell you. Just believe me. Please. there was nothing to be done there. Someone then said there was someone critically wounded around the corner. I ran around (while seeing this floor to ceiling window that someone had jumped through movie style) and saw a large African-American soldier lying on his back with two or three soldiers attending. I ran up and identified two entrance wounds on the right side of his stomach, one exit wound on the left side and one head wound. He was not bleeding externally from the stomach wounds (though almost certainly internally) but was bleeding from the head wound. A soldier was using a shirt to try and stop the head bleeding. He was conscious so I began talking to him to keep him so. He was 42, from North Carolina, he was named something Jr., his son was named something III and he had a daughter as well. His children lived with him. He was divorced. I told him the blubber on his stomach saved his life. He smiled. a young soldier in civvies showed up and identified himself as a combat medic. We debated whether to put him on the back of a pickup truck. A doctor (well, an audiologist) showed up and said you can't move him, he has a head wound. we finally sat tight.

I went back to the slaughterhouse. they weren't letting anyone in there. not even medics.

finally, after about 45 minutes had elapsed some cops showed up in tactical vests. someone said the TBI building was unsecured. They headed into there.

All of a sudden a couple more shots were fired. People shouted there was a second shooter. a half hour later the SWAT showed up.

there was no second shooter. that had been an impetuous cop apparently. but that confused things for a while. meanwhile I went back to the shooter. the female cop had been taken away. a medic was pumping plasma into the shooter. I'm not proud of this but I went up to her and said "this is the shooter, is there anyone else who needs attention...do them first". she indicated everyone else living was attended to. I still hadn't seen any EMTs or ambulances. I had so much blood on me that people kept asking me if I was ok. but that was all other people's blood. eventually (an hour and a half to two hours after the shootings) they started landing choppers. they took out the big African American guy and the shooter. I guess the ambulatory wounded were all at the SRP building. Everyone else in my area
was dead.

suppose the emergency responders were told there were multiple shooters. I heard that was the delay with the choppers (they were all civilian helicopters). they needed a secure LZ. but other than the initial cops who did everything right, I didnt' see a lot of them for a while. I did see many a soldier rush out to help their fellows/sisters. there was one female soldier, I dont' know her name or rank but I would recognize her anywhere who was everywhere helping people. a couple people, mainly civilians, were hysterical, but only a couple. one civilian freaked out when I tried to comfort her when she saw my uniform. I guess she had seen the shooter up close. a lot of soldiers were rushing out to help even when we thought there was another gunman out there. this Army is not broken no matter what the pundits say. not the Army I saw.

and then they kept me for a long time to come. oh, and perhaps the most surreal thing, at 1500 (the end of the workday on Thursdays) when the bugle sounded we all came to attention and saluted the flag. in the middle of it all.

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New account of Fort Hood shooting may put another officer in spotlight

Sergeant Kimberly Munley was the heroine America desperately sought in the hours after the massacre at the Fort Hood army base in Texas.

But a week after Major Nidal Hasan allegedly shot and killed 13 people and wounded dozens more, it has emerged that a previously unheralded police sergeant may in fact have fired the bullets that ended the attack, not Munley.

A witness to the shooting spree told the New York Times today that Hasan was taken down by Senior Sergeant Mark Todd, a veteran police officer.

In TV appearances, Munley and Todd have thus far failed to clear up exactly who shot him.

Munley insisted that she fired at Hasan, but did not say whether she had hit him. Todd talked of firing the shots that brought down Hasan - the first time he had ever fired at a human being in his 25-year career - but could not say whether Hasan had already been shot.

"I seen him [sic], I drew his attention toward me, and then he opened fire and then I neutralised him and secured him," Todd told CBS's Early Show this morning.

Pressed whether Hasan was still armed and threatening when he opened fire, Todd said: "We were engaged in a gunfight, and then I neutralised him, or we neutralised him."

Hasan, 39, is recovering in the hospital from police gunshot wounds. Ballistics tests and further investigation may ultimately determine which of the two police sergeants shot him.

The tale of Munley's apparent heroism recalls the case of Jessica Lynch, an army private first class who the US military said was wounded while fighting off Iraqi troops during the US invasion, reportedly firing her rifle heroically before being captured. It later emerged she was injured in a vehicle accident during an ambush and was well cared for by the Iraqis.

Munley, a petite, highly-trained civilian police officer and firearms expert, was initially said to have encountered Hasan during the attack, rushed at him and shot him down, taking at least three bullets from his pistol in the process.

Quoting an anonymous eyewitness, however, the New York Times called into question that account, reporting that Hasan remained on his feet, apparently unharmed and reloading his pistol, after shooting Munley. The witness said it was unclear whether Munley fired off a shot before Todd arrived seconds later, shooting Hasan until he fell to the ground then kicking his gun away and handcuffing him.

"It's muscle memory," Todd told CBS. "In a situation like this you don't have to think about it, you just react. By the grace of god I'm standing here with no injuries, with not a scratch."

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/12/fort-hood-munley-todd-hasan

www.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/us/12hood.html

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'Major Nidal Malik Hasan, jihadist or patsy?

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Originally posted by Niki2:
And I've seen too many times when propaganda has been used to fire up the populace...anyone remember the runup to Iraq?...to buy into any of this wholeheartedly.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I have no information at this time - but I did note that the IMMEDIATE reaction of both the media and political factors was "Hey, he has an arab sounding name, maybe we can hang this on radical islam, yay!"

There's also likely a factor of secondary caregiver trauma, as mental health personnel treating PTSD tend to suffer a high degree of psychological casualty themselves - and whoever dumped him on Ft Hood from Walter Reed might well have soft-shoed their assessment in order to be well rid of him if he was starting to crack.

Right now, we do not know - and given that first reaction and the bullshit ass-covering spin cycle likely to follow, we might not ever know the facts.

That's all I can say to it, at the moment.

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If he's a jihadist, where's his "suicide tape"? How come nobody's noticed that little missing tidbit - seems radical muslims are pretty notorious for leaving videos behind.

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Pelosi Won't Say Whether Osama Bin Laden Should be Told He Has the Right to Remain Silent and Get a Lawyer
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/57443

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks.”
-Usama bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/
www.serendipity.li/wot/obl_int.htm

Usama Bin Laden's funeral: Egyptian Paper Al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osama_dead.html

"He also had dealings with Omar Sheikh [MI6 born in Britain], the man who murdered Usama Bin Laden."
-Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto (assassinated 6 weeks later), BBC interview by Sir David Frost Knight of the British Empire, 2nd November 2007
youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ
http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/151951
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/28/pakistan.topstories33

"9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”
—FBI agent Rex Tomb, June 6, 2006
www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."
-Dick Cheney, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html
youtube nb3fesK-4S4

OPERATION NORTHWOODS - the signed confession by US Govt for perping sniper attacks to blame patsies in USA
www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

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Wow, you really aren't very bright, are you?

If he was born in Virginia, then in the vast majority of cases, he IS AN AMERICAN.

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only 20% of Muslim Americans in polls will first say they are US citizens, many identify themselves first as Muslim rather than an American first because the Muslim identity talkes priority. So when asked in polls many admit their Islamic belief comes before the United States
I am against having Islamic marriages, Islamic clerics policing communities or Islamic courts operating in the United States. This reason is why in my opinion it's important that so many American Muslims are not so religious. The more religious they are, the more difficult the problem becomes.

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Refresh my memory - what branch of "radical Islam" did Tim McVeigh follow? How 'bout David Koresh? Jim Jones? George W. Bush?

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Wow you are not very bright are you?

only 20% of Muslim Americans in polls will first say they are US citizens, many identify themselves first as Muslim rather than an American first because the Muslim identity talkes priority. So when asked in polls many admit their Islamic belief comes before the United States

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I am against having Islamic marriages...in the United States. This reason is why in my opinion it's important that so many American Muslims are not so religious. The more religious they are, the more difficult the problem becomes.

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Refresh my memory - what branch of "radical Islam" did Tim McVeigh follow? How 'bout David Koresh? Jim Jones? George W. Bush?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Every drop of their blood is on his hands, not that you care one bit about any of them.

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