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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I would rather be a neanderthal... than a coward.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Red, YELLOW & blue, you goofball."

The original color scheme was red, white, and blue... trust me. Im a comic book nerd.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Interesting: I've been mostly gone for a few days, too (new puppy!!), but didn't feel the need to announce my return.

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It takes a lot to smack people out of their slumber

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Need that attention, do 'ya, Wulf? I guess negative is better than none for some...

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Silly me, here... sitting and thinking that a woman could fulfill the necessary requirements.

You call me a neanderthal.. so be it. But I prefer to think that women can be as strong as men... maybe not as physically strong.. but strong enough... to do whats right.

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Kal-El means the Light of God.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Matrix is very religious nutjob-y. It's just jewish nutjobs. The guys who created superman were also nutjobs.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Story,

Nah, I wasn't guessing. The thing that people forget in all of this is that judaism is a religion, like christianity or islam, and as such, it has its fair share of nutjobs.

Matrix is very religious nutjob-y. It's just jewish nutjobs. The guys who created superman were also nutjobs.

Personally, I did find the whole thing machiavellian, and it disturbed me as a facet of our society that we worshiped this philosophy until I found out that Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster were religious nutjobs, and then it all made way too much sense.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Now what am I supposed to be admitting Im wrong to?

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
We probably all liked Narnia, and we all knew it was religious propaganda at the time.

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...I probably disagree with the govt. of the US even more, and that doesn't make me anti-american.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Now what am I supposed to be admitting Im wrong to?

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Well, your Superman BS, for starters. :)

Seems you've been rather roundly trounced on that one, and offered NOTHING in the way of evidence to back up YOUR claims.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Story,

They admitted to creating Kal El as a messianic figure to lead the world in by example to their interpretation of the will of God. They then targeted this at the masses, particularly children. I don't call that conspiracy, but it's very safe to say that they're religious nutjobs.

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I'm afraid that this makes PN's point for him: We are all programmed to defend jews at all costs.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_logo

I may have been wrong.

However, I do remember watching a series on T.V., talking about the evolution of the creation of Superman.


The whole "Truth, Justice, and the American way.." ect.

Again, I believe his original color scheme was meant to be Red, White and Blue... but according to the article, they changed the logo to yellow to mirror a police officers badge.

My mistake.

Jeeze...

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Also,

I too, am against organized religion if it has political power to affect others.

I see nothing wrong with the various religions int he world. Except that they attempt to convert.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Story,

Okay, dif. of opinion. I would call CS Lewis a religious nutjob, but I would disagree with Wulf, I think that's it's valid to use your religion in your art.

The term "nutjob" is so subjective that it's hard to get a clear definition.

I actually find JK Rowlings Christian subtext far more bothersome than that of CS Lewis or that of Siegel and Shuster. Actually this isn't what bothers me about Superman at all. I think that the Messianic judaism of Siegel and Shuster is pretty much above board in the same way that of the Wachowski Bros is.

Since, as I said, this is well traveled ground, even on this very forum. I was just snarking Wulf.

I would take the use of the word as more disturbing as it mutates from Nietzsche to Shaw, carried to its logical extreme here. Superman, as a character, is right because of his might, and that those views coincide with the views of the audience is happenstance, but like much fiction, they only coincide on a certain overt level.

Directly, Luthor will do something that will result in people dying, and we oppose people dying, but this is "kittening." Underlying each mission is some action that the writers are associating with "death" and the opposition to it with "life" which has little or nothing to do with religion, it's just a manipulative form of writing, and what really bugs me about the stories. Take any tragedy that Superman saves people from in any situation in any rendition of the story, and mentally flip the life/death element of the story: Would you still support Superman if in order to stop Luthor's idea, Superman would have to kill X number of people, rather than save?

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