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Originally posted by Bytemite:
if someone tells me I have poor table manners, I'ma just glare and chew louder.

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
To me, the joke is in poor taste. Actually racist, too. Not my idea of funny.

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Sometimes the best jokes are in poor taste (I may be a lib, but I'm not a PC zealot). And yeah, I could see it being taken as somewhat racist - the nationalities are unessential to the joke (obviously this variation came from a canuk), but the notion behind it is still funny.

Should just be 3 (generic) women. As folks in the discussion have pointed out - some women are perfectly willing/happy to take the subservient role. And others will kick the ass of anyone who demands they do. I'd rather hang with that one, myself.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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To me, the joke is in poor taste. Actually racist, too. Not my idea of funny.

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Sometimes the best jokes are in poor taste (I may be a lib, but I'm not a PC zealot). And yeah, I could see it being taken as somewhat racist - the nationalities are unessential to the joke (obviously this variation came from a canuk), but the notion behind it is still funny.

Should just be 3 (generic) women. As folks in the discussion have pointed out - some women are perfectly willing/happy to take the subservient role. And others will kick the ass of anyone who demands they do. I'd rather hang with that one, myself.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Sure, sometimes a joke's crassness is what makes it great. I just don't see it in this example.

It sets itself up too obviously and the pay-off only works if you think violence is funny. It's this sort of bullshit violence=strength equation that I find thoroughly boring and distasteful in much of supposedly feminist television that turns female characters into female machos and sells this as feminism, as if respect is somehow not supposed to be mutual.

I'm too weary of this prevalant crap to find a joke in the same vein funny.

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Well, for one, violence can be damned funny, under the correct context (by which I mean fictional, amongst other criteria).

Two, I don't see it as "violence=strength". I see it more as "being an asshole=punishment". And I'm totally down with that.

Respect should be mutual, but in this example, the man was not offering any, and he deservedly got the same in kind. Viola, equality.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
(of course I don't see a direct corelation between "Husband treating wife like servant" and "saying something I don't like" but whatevah.)

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It's this sort of bullshit violence=strength equation that I find thoroughly boring and distasteful in much of supposedly feminist television that turns female characters into female machos and sells this as feminism, as if respect is somehow not supposed to be mutual.

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It's this sort of bullshit violence=strength equation that I find thoroughly boring and distasteful in much of supposedly feminist television that turns female characters into female machos and sells this as feminism, as if respect is somehow not supposed to be mutual.

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But it's OK in the video clips that Wulfie posts? 'Cause Wulfie is the biggest proponent of violence= strength in this forum, and you dont' seem to have a problem with that? Or do you have a double standard?

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Whatever you have to tell yourself so you can get it up, I guess .."

Now Rue, thats just rude.

I understand that you have had to say that to the men you've had sex with before.

Especially when those unfortunate souls had to mutter to themselves... "Oh God, the alcohol isn't working! It isn't enough!" Or, "I don't care how much she paid me... nothing is worth this!"

Then they all prepositioned it with "... must think of Angelina Jolie... or anyone else but THIS!!"

So, Rue, or should I say T-Rex? Please leave your issues at the door...

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I don't know abut Gino, but it was cringe-worthy to me. It's also one of the things that made the joke work.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
So, Kwick, one is ok, but not the other, right?

Its ok to post a joke about a woman beating on a man, but not a man beating on a woman?

Just admit the hypocrisy of all of this and we can move on.

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Originally posted by Geezer:


So the oppression of Filipino and South American women by patriarcial cultures is funny to you?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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"So the oppression of Filipino and South American women by patriarcial cultures is funny to you?"

I don't know abut Gino, but it was cringe-worthy to me. It's also one of the things that made the joke work.

That's another element of what makes a joke funny, btw - besides surprise - is that it invokes a level of discomfort. There are a few more necessary elements of humor, one is that people have to go along with the premise. And so on.

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Originally posted by rue:
I don't know about Gino, but it was cringe-worthy to me. It's also one of the things that made the joke work.

That's another element of what makes a joke funny, btw - besides surprise - is that it invokes a level of discomfort. There are a few more necessary elements of humor, one is that people have to go along with the premise. And so on.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Ah yes, the much hated gender roles. Never fit into them properly since I was TWO. Not that people didn't try, but square peg, round hole.

Definitely think it's important for people to know how to cook, clean, and care for themselves. I like cooking not because I wanna be a housewife, it's because I want to EAT. Big difference. Mostly I just heat stuff out of cans, though I can make some mean desserts, cookies, and candy. They're cheap and I can give them to people as gifts.

The thing about gender roles, though, they're more than just what you DO. There's more double standards than just male nurse/female breadwinner. People expect you to "act like a lady." What does that even MEAN? Screw that. I like climbing in trees and stomping in puddles, and if someone tells me I have poor table manners, I'ma just glare and chew louder. I don't care about their pointless customs and rules. And dammit, I'm gonna swear if I want to, too!

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And I agree; this was a little joke that got made big by ultra-PCism, in my view.

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Originally posted by rue:
You also lose the information that makes the joke work: that it is an ABUSIVE relationship based on power versus desperation. While it may be possible with quite a long narrative to get that across, Filipina and South American are handy shorthand to set up the scenario.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
How about this as a joke?

"A hispanic man married a beautiful, but loud and stubborn woman.

They lived on something of a rural farm.

On the first day of their marriage, the man went out-side. He stood next to the cow they owned, and immediately shouted, "Where is my dinner?!!" The cow stood and looked blankly at the man.

The man then shot the cow in the brain-pan.

The next day, the man sat on the couch, as the prized, and much loved, cat came up to him and started purring.

The man then shouted, "Why did you not do the dishes?!!!" The cat, startled by the noise, froze in place.

The man then blew its brains out.

On the third day, the man came home after working all day.

And politely, asked his new wife, loud and as mouthy as she may be, where his dinner was.

As politely as his question was, she answered.

"It is here on the table. Ready for you. The dishes will be done as soon as you are finished."

The end.

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