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I suppose we should probably consider ourselves lucky that they aren't arming and training the mujahideen... ;)

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I suppose we should probably consider ourselves lucky that they aren't arming and training the mujahideen... ;)

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

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I suppose we should probably consider ourselves lucky that they aren't arming and training the mujahideen... ;)

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Yeaaahh, like they're NOT doing that, while giggling up their sleeves at the fact that we're bungling it even worse than they ever did.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Sheesh... Nobody gets subtlety these days.

OF COURSE they're arming and training the "mujahideen" - that being anyone who is interested in (a) fighting, and (b) helping the US to waste its time and resources.

Anyone in the world who has the slightest interest in seeing the US lose any amount of power and/or influence is helping anyone on EITHER side to prolong this fight, keep us bogged down, and squander whatever alleged national wealth we might still have.

And if they're really, really smart, they're also helping the poppy farmers and the drug lords to get their product into the US to further weaken us; more American addicts means more wasted American dollars on the "War on (some) Drugs", crime prevention, incarceration, and rehabilitation efforts, as well as probation and parole enforcement.

So yes, I fully expect that the Russians are arming and aiding not only those fighting against us in the area, but also those fighting WITH us in the area, because you really don't want either side to gain a real advantage, because that might end things sooner rather than later.

But you're nuts if you think the Rooskies are going to send any "above the board" help our way. It's insulting and stupid to even ask, as it can only have a profoundly NEGATIVE effect on us in Afghanistan. After all, do you really want to be seen as allying with the people who committed such atrocities upon the Afghan people in such recent, living memory? How on Earth is that supposed to give us any kind of perceived legitimacy in the area?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
...OF COURSE they're arming and training the "mujahideen" - that being anyone who is interested in (a) fighting, and (b) helping the US to waste its time and resources.

Anyone in the world who has the slightest interest in seeing the US lose any amount of power and/or influence is helping anyone on EITHER side to prolong this fight, keep us bogged down, and squander whatever alleged national wealth we might still have.

And if they're really, really smart, they're also helping the poppy farmers and the drug lords to get their product into the US to further weaken us; more American addicts means more wasted American dollars on the "War on (some) Drugs", crime prevention, incarceration, and rehabilitation efforts, as well as probation and parole enforcement.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Mike, interesting theory: Help us... destroy ourselves. And here I was afraid this was going to turn into another cute kitten thread.

"It's insulting and stupid to even ask..."

Ohhh, in so many ways...

Russia, remember Afghanistan, that was fun right, how your empire collapsed? Oh, and remember all the things we've done for you over the years, like threaten you with nukes, and send "healthcare workers" to intentionally spread HIV throughout your country, and most recently fund a war against you...


Gino, NATO actually asked them for troops, not just equipment


But, I mean imagine if they actually *do* decide to "help" us. The number of underhanded ways they could undermine us.



Actually, wait, that might be helpful ;)

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
and why not use this to hurt the US, the US caused the Russians to invade Afghanistan in the 80's, and their emipire came apart as a result.

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
and why not use this to hurt the US, the US caused the Russians to invade Afghanistan in the 80's, and their emipire came apart as a result.

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The problems in the USSR stem from the 60's, maybe earlier. Glasnost helped put a few more nails in that coffin, Afghanistan was barely a contributing factor.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I respectfully disagree, Cit.

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The economic problems yes, but they were masters at concealing things like like from the general public ( like others we could discuss )

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I think Citizen's got the right idea; we're just looking at it from different angles.

Glasnost was the lever. Afghanistan was the fulcrum against which it was applied to pry the Soviet Union apart. Both played their part, but the lever of glasnost would have found another fulcrum somewhere, eventually. Probably.

Sometimes it just takes a perfect confluence of events to set the dominoes falling.

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Sometimes it just takes a perfect confluence of events to set the dominoes falling.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I think that's supposed to go in the multi-cultural marriages thread, Gino! :)

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