Cop brings gun to snowball fight by piratenews

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Can you say police state?

I wonder if this "officer" would have been so quick to start waving his gun around if he knew HE could be shot for being stupid.

http://www.opposingviews.com/articles/video-washington-d-c-cop-pulls-g
un-amid-snowball-fight-r-1261352679

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Monday, December 21, 2009 6:34 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

We really do need a culling of these type of "cops".

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Monday, December 21, 2009 6:52 AM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Spineless DC residents should quit throwing snowballs and start suing cops to repeal the bogus gun ban. Heller v DC only repealed the ban on guns in your own home.

You'd think DC politicians were afraid of somethin...

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Monday, December 21, 2009 7:50 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

The PC, gun-control, liberal peanut gallery here has nothing to say about this?

Wow, who'd have thunk it?

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Monday, December 21, 2009 8:38 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Still nothing?

You mean to tell me that all those here who are for police control, and FOR only cops having guns... dont have anything to say?

The silence is deafening.

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Monday, December 21, 2009 8:46 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

I'm expecting to see this headline any day.

Quote:
D.C. City Council Chairman Vincent Gray proposes emergency legislation to controll snowballs.

"We have encountered a real problem in this city with criminal elements carrying illegal snowballs, many brought in from Maryland and Virginia. We must get a handle on this right away, before our police force is required to use deadly force to repel a snowball attack."

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, December 21, 2009 8:47 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Still nothing?

You mean to tell me that all those here who are for police control, and FOR only cops having guns... dont have anything to say?

The silence is deafening.

Could be because there's nobody here who believes that...

Besides, Wulfie - I figured you'd be all over this. After all, this was just a guy (he was off duty, after all, and in his own vehicle) who was pelted by snowballs (a violent attack against him!), who exercised his constitutional right to bear arms, right? I mean, wasn't he the "little guy" in this skirmish? Wasn't he being oppressed by a snowball-wielding mob?

[/snark]

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Monday, December 21, 2009 8:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Still nothing?

You mean to tell me that all those here who are for police control, and FOR only cops having guns... dont have anything to say?

The silence is deafening.

By the way, Wulfie, what is it you're arguing here? That the cops should be disarmed when they're off-duty? That would have stopped this from happening, right?

Or are you saying that everyone else there should have had a gun, so someone could have shot the cop when he pulled his piece?

'Cuz I can pretty much tell you how THAT would have worked out. Hint: the headline would have included the words "Cop Killer Shoots Off-Duty Officer Over Snowball Fight".

So what is it that you're advocating here?

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Monday, December 21, 2009 8:59 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"Or are you saying that everyone else there should have had a gun, so someone could have shot the cop when he pulled his piece?"

Yes. No. Maybe.

Hell, I don't know. But do you think that this cop would have jumped out of his HUMMER and pulled his piece, if he thought the crowd could shoot back?

Or, do you think its ok that he thugged his way through this?

Fuck, Frem is right.

Cops are a gang unto themselves

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Monday, December 21, 2009 8:59 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Besides, Wulfie - I figured you'd be all over this. After all, this was just a guy (he was off duty, after all, and in his own vehicle) who was pelted by snowballs (a violent attack against him!), who exercised his constitutional right to bear arms, right? I mean, wasn't he the "little guy" in this skirmish? Wasn't he being oppressed by a snowball-wielding mob?

I note for the record that this is not the first time this has happened.

March 5, 1770. Five people were killed. The soldiers were tried in a Boston Court and found Not Guilty by a Boston Jury. They were defended by a fella by the name of John Adams, who lost half his clients because the case was so unpopular, but who went on to some minor success in politics.

Legally the mob, both in Boston and now in DC, were engaged in Disorderly Conduct. The officer was right in drawing his weapon in the face of their refusal to come to order.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Monday, December 21, 2009 9:03 AM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:

March 5, 1770. Five people were killed. The soldiers were tried in a Boston Court and found Not Guilty by a Boston Jury. They were defended by a fella by the name of John Adams, who lost half his clients because the case was so unpopular, but who went on to some minor success in politics.

Col Paul Revere escaped from martial law police, and 15,000 of his fellow Bostonians pulled their guns on 700 British troops and killed 40 Brits. Brits killed 25 Americans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Lexington_and_Concord

In 1946, 500 US military veterans opened fire on the McMinn County Sheriff Office with full-auto machine guns and dynomite, and arrested the sheriff, 300 deputies and state legisators, for shooting black voters, stealing ballot boxes and suing speeding tickets.
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2008/02/battle-of-athens.html

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:

Legally the mob, both in Boston and now in DC, were engaged in Disorderly Conduct. The officer was right in drawing his weapon in the face of their refusal to come to order.

I love it when cops shoot cops dead.

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Monday, December 21, 2009 9:08 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"Legally the mob, both in Boston and now in DC, were engaged in Disorderly Conduct.."

Gotta love that catch-all phrase.

Makes breaking a "perps" arm so much easier to get away with.

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Monday, December 21, 2009 9:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Or are you saying that everyone else there should have had a gun, so someone could have shot the cop when he pulled his piece?"

Yes. No. Maybe.

Hell, I don't know. But do you think that this cop would have jumped out of his HUMMER and pulled his piece, if he thought the crowd could shoot back?

Or, do you think its ok that he thugged his way through this?

Fuck, Frem is right.

Cops are a gang unto themselves

I think you may be on to something when you say "I don't know". That MIGHT be why not so many people have weighed in. Hell, *I* don't know what the answer is, either, but if you don't know the answer, that doesn't mean the answer is either more guns, or more shooting.

What I *did* find interesting was that the very first reaction from the police department was a denial that the pulled his weapon. Then, when the pictures started circulating, they - ahem - modified their position, and said, "We're investigating it." Shouldn't that be their FIRST reaction?

It only makes it seem more likely that the cops are ALWAYS going to have each others' backs, no matter what the evidence may show.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Monday, December 21, 2009 9:26 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Cops are a gang unto themselves... but with legitimacy.

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Monday, December 21, 2009 9:27 AM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

The Thin Blue Whine
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2009/12/thin-blue-whine-pt-iii-wh
o-mourns.html

The future of traffic stops (point rearward as needed):

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Monday, December 21, 2009 9:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Cops are a gang unto themselves... but with legitimacy.

PERCEIVED legitimacy, as Frem says. :)

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Monday, December 21, 2009 10:37 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Yep.

Again, tho... I wonder if this "officer" would have done what he did if he knew (or even thought) the crowd was armed...

"An armed society is a polite society"

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Monday, December 21, 2009 11:25 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Again, tho... I wonder if this "officer" would have done what he did if he knew (or even thought) the crowd was armed...

This was a crowd in DC...I suspect he knew or was reasonably certain the crowd WAS armed.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Monday, December 21, 2009 11:47 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"This was a crowd in DC...I suspect he knew or was reasonably certain the crowd WAS armed."

Um... no. They were mostly white. White folks tend to follow the law... lol

Had it been in the SE area, or B-More... sure...

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Monday, December 21, 2009 2:40 PM

FREMDFIRMA

You got two avenues of recourse, you don't like it, little puppy boy, and shootin at the cops ain't one of em cause it would cause an escalating cycle of violence that'd leave all too many decent folk dead.

What IS it with you that makes you think a weapon in hand solves much of anything ?
Having a weapon AT hand is a deterrent, sure, but THINK ON THIS, child.

I give you a Baretta M92F in perfect order, with eighteen match grade hollowpoints.
I get eighteen unarmed random people who KNOW you mean to kill em.
End result: you are one DEAD motherfucker, you understand ?

Allies trump bullets, and as fortune would have it, some of them might be armed as well, a weapon cannot watch over you while you sleep, drag your wounded ass to cover, or any of those things another human can do - but you don't get it, do you ?

You do NOT go head on with superior force, it's idiotic, been dumb as shit since the days of rushing cannon positions when they got cannister, or glory charging machinegun pits across the trench line, only a complete fucking backbirth would think that a good idea.

No, you hit them where they're weak, or use their own strength against them.

1. You get their funding cut, and cut, and cut - we did that up here, and when they started making threats in the local newspapers editorial section, all it did was prove our case and they got cut some MORE - half the force got pinkslipped this week, merry effin xmas, we don't need their threats and malice.

2. You force THEM to obey every stinking little nitpick of every single weapons law, regulation and it's associated mountain of paperwork, and then follow on by sticking them with rigid adherence to every traffic law and code, and just fucking BURY them under the weight of the bullshit they must enforce, till they get the idea that maybe it's impossible to live under such a burden and start questioning what it is exactly they're supposed to DOING.

In this case I'd use #2, and charge his ass with brandishing, something they LOVE to arrest CCW folk for after they see off a pack of would be muggers or carjackers with a weapon, see how they like the taste of what they dish out.

But of course, you're an idiot, so I have to bash you over the head with an anvil to get a concept the size of a mustard seed through your thick fucking skull, which is mostly a waste of effort, the way I see it.

Go on and do things your way, you like, won't last long, and won't significantly raise the difficulty for folk with good sense, since it removes you as a stumbling block to them.

-Frem
There always has to be a price.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 5:57 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"This was a crowd in DC...I suspect he knew or was reasonably certain the crowd WAS armed."

Um... no. They were mostly white. White folks tend to follow the law... lol

Your right...white people never carry guns or engage in disorderly or violent behaivor.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 6:53 AM

Damn, Frem - I thought *I* was hard on Wulfie!

Of course, you are 100% correct, and I *DO* wish he'd listen, if not to anyone else, then at least to you. I have my doubts that will ever happen, though.

And yes, the public needs to PUSH for an investigation, and for brandishing charges, and for investigating the cop and his weapons to make sure they are 100% within the legal constraints that all the rest of DC is held to.

And by the way, WHY did he have a gun on him, or even within reach, if he was off duty? I thought carrying in DC was still verboten.

Seems if you're not police, you're little people. Still.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 7:38 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"Damn, Frem - I thought *I* was hard on Wulfie!"

Duh Kwick, b/c its more fun to play "Pile on Wulf".

Its also annoying that more folks are outraged over the last American Idol, more-so than they are this.

And no, Frem, I don't think a gun solves everything. Its better than nothing, however. And yes, I do agree having folks is, at times, much better.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:17 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"You do NOT go head on with superior force, it's idiotic, been dumb as shit since the days of rushing cannon positions when they got cannister, or glory charging machinegun pits across the trench line, only a complete fucking backbirth would think that a good idea."

Yeah, its stupid. But how often is doing the RIGHT thing anything other than what some would call "stupid"? As an example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Medal_of_Honor_recipients

"1. You get their funding cut, and cut, and cut.."

Really? I agree that it will work. But most of us little peons DON'T have that kind of pull.

"2. You force THEM to obey every stinking little nitpick of every single weapons law, regulation and it's associated mountain of paperwork, and then follow on by sticking them with rigid adherence to every traffic law and code, and just fucking BURY them under the weight of the bullshit they must enforce, till they get the idea that maybe it's impossible to live under such a burden and start questioning what it is exactly they're supposed to DOING. "

I agree 100%. But again, Im not a lawyer, and trying to do that without having millions of dollars and more for watchgroups ect is kind of out of our little league.

"But of course, you're an idiot, so I have to bash you over the head with an anvil to get a concept the size of a mustard seed through your thick fucking skull, which is mostly a waste of effort, the way I see it."

Sure, Im an idiot And an asshole. Freely admit that. However, I don't go after YOU in the same manner. So, while I may be an asshole, at least Im not a SELF-RIGHTEOUS asshole.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:21 AM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Saved by the cellphone camera...

Eyewitness Confirms: D.C. Cop Freaks Out Over Snowball Fight–Brandishes Gun
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34516682/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Quote:
"An hour ago, we showed up to see a snowball fight already in progress. Two factions along 14th Street along the intersection. It was pretty friendly, mostly OK. At one point, there was one interaction with the police that I saw. A cop got stuck in the snow. People stopped and helped him out. A couple moments later, at the intersection, heading west along U was this big maroon Hummer. A small faction of people decided to target it with snowballs. They're throwing snowballs at the Hummer. It turns out the driver of the Hummer is a detective. He gets out. He's waving a walkie talkie. It's not going well. Then he starts waving a gun. He hadn't identified himself at this point. There was a point where things cooled off a bit, more police showed up, and he identified himself at that point. The name was Det. Baylor. My guess was B-A-Y-L-O-R."

What's 1 more snowball on this cop's Hummer?

D.C. chief slams cop over gun at snowball fight
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/12/19/did-d-c-c
ops-overreact-to-snowball-fight-14th-and-u/

Quote:
Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy Lanier said she watched video clips from the confrontation and has no doubt the off-duty detective pulled his gun after snowballs hit his personal car during Saturday's record snowfall.

"Let me be very clear in stating that I believe the actions of the officer were totally inappropriate!" Lanier said in a statement after the videos made the rounds on YouTube. "In no way should he have handled the situation in this manner."

Lanier said the detective, whom she did not identify, did not deny the accusations. He is on desk duty until an investigation is complete.

Assistant Police Chief Peter Newsham told reporters Monday that the detective's badge and weapon have been withdrawn.

At one point, the crowd begins to chant: "Don't bring a gun to a snowball fight!"

Damn, I thought I was 1st with that cliche.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:28 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Yay. Desk duty.

Whoppee.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Sure, Im an idiot And an asshole. Freely admit that. However, I don't go after YOU in the same manner. So, while I may be an asshole, at least Im not a SELF-RIGHTEOUS asshole.

Oh, come on! You're nothing BUT self-righteous. You actually BELIEVE that you're the hero in a shitty movie. You really seem to believe that! If that isn't the height of self-righteous assholiness, then I don't know what is.

By the way, it would seem that Frem's assertion has been brought to life yet again. Here we have a case of the cop clearly having superior firepower - and even having other officers show up to back him up - and yet still, it's the crowd with the cameras that's winning this battle. The cop looks like an asshole, and I'd bet before it's all said and done, he faces some harsh disciplinary action if he doesn't lose his job outright. So yes, allies (especially the kind with cameras) can be greater than force.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:11 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"You actually BELIEVE that you're the hero in some shitty movie."

You know what? That actually is very accurate.

lol

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:51 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

First time in this thread, Wulfie. That's why I didn't weigh in.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:56 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"First time in this thread, Wulfie. That's why I didn't weigh in."

The by all means, please do.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:34 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I ignored the thread because I'd heard the story on the news already so didn't figure there was much to discuss and because I kinda knew the sort of discussion which would ensue...not to mention the predictable players. See I wasn't wrong...

The cop was an asshole. He could, it seems to me, have easily shown a badge or something and said "knock it off"...it was a snowball fight, for gawd's sake.

Given he did what he did instead, he should be disciplined, period. Showed bad decision-making skills, and potentiall a "controller" mentality.

I'm glad the cameras were around.

The cops who came shouldn't have done what they did, they should have talked sternly to him (I don't think taking him in was warranted) and apologized to the crowd. Period.

The idea that he'd have been (or should have been) restrained if the crowd also brandished weapons is too absurd to deal with, and Frem already covered it better than I could. Responding to a gun with a gun doesn't guarantee anything, especially up against a cop! Mike gave us the resulting headline perfectly.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:37 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

But now I see that I don't have to!

In any case...

The snowball fight looked like fun. I wish I had been there.

I support 2nd ammendment rights.

But this particular moment was NOT the time to exercise that right. I'm with Frem on this one. Allies... much better than being a lone Wulfie!

FWIW, IMHO gun registration is not "gun control".

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:37 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"The cop was an asshole. He could, it seems to me, have easily shown a badge or something and said "knock it off"...it was a snowball fight, for gawd's sake."

Yeah, cus flashing a badge automatically makes him the good guy and what he was doing right.

Silly me for being upset about this.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:52 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

You're not silly for being upset. (Although it seems you do reach that stage about 80% of your waking hours. Let me ask you: Are you ever NOT angry about something???)

You ARE silly for thinking that brandishing a weapon at/ shooting at a cop is the answer to the cop being an *sshole.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:55 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"You're not silly for being upset. (Although it seems you do reach that stage about 80% of your waking hours. Let me ask you: Are you ever NOT angry about something???)

You ARE silly for thinking that brandishing a weapon at/ shooting at a cop is the answer to the cop being an *sshole."

Wait, wasn't it your camp that said, and I'm quoting here... "If you aren't mad, you aren't paying attention!"?

Also, so you are ok with an off duty cop, being mad about a snowball being thrown at his Hummer, jumping out, pulling his gun, and threatening to "arrest" those who were engaged in a little bit of fun?

*ETA: Do you think that he would have done this if he even thought the crowd could shoot back?

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:02 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Also, so you are ok with an off duty cop, being mad about a snowball being thrown at his Hummer, jumping out, pulling his gun, and threatening to "arrest" those who were engaged in a little bit of fun?

Okay, now this is where you just piss me off. This is the same sh*t as when you said that peeps would do "nothing" to stop an ongoing rape.

Did I say I was OK with this????

NO.

So f*ck you, *sshole. Your crooked question doesn't deserve an answer.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:04 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Ok, so you are not OK with this. But you would STILL post some stupid crap about gun registration (i.e. giving these same people access to info about you, which they could then use against you.)

So f*ck you b*tch, right back atcha.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:08 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yanno, in nations with high gun ownership - like Switzerland, which is always held up as the model to which we should aspire- gun registration is universal.

Too bad you're an idiot. You do a great dis-service to your cause.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:20 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Um, thats because, there, military service is mandatory.

And who the hell holds Switzerland up as a great model?

ETA: Notice I didnt call you a coward, like you called me an idiot. Higher road Sig, you should try it some time.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:40 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

You globalists always crack me up.

One world, one world, you scream!

You worry so much about the neighbors house, which has a crack in their foundation, while your own burns.

Sig, if you are going to lift up some other country as the "model" we should follow... move there first.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:40 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:45 AM

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/12/22/washingto
n-post-sits-on-eyewitness-account/

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hGeRYGchfB5FLjkIGT4X
bCWqHWhgD9COGLD80

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:00 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Not a globalist either, dude.

Gawdalmighty, sonny, don't you have ANY idea which peeps stand for what???

I'd feel bad, but I noticed you don't pay much attention to Frem either, so I just tend to chalk you off as "newbie".

Meanwhile, thought I'd post a clip of my own: Death Of Kodak Park
http://frontiernet.net/~nostalgia/DeathOfKodakPark.wmv

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:12 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Yippeee, more pics of corporations crumbling.

Good.

Makes room for Mom and Pop shops to get their chance.

But how does this have anything to do with police brutality and police state tactics?

ETA: Oh hell Sig, I pay ALOT of attention to Frem, AND to you btw. Just cus I dont agree with you doesnt mean Im not listening.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:25 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Btw... can't let you post a vid without one of my own... :)

Anytime one of you guys start to think beyond what you've been fed, I cant help but have this song run through my head....

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:42 PM

Quote:

*ETA: Do you think that he would have done this if he even thought the crowd could shoot back?

I dunno - do you think that the crowd would have even thrown snowballs at his vehicle if they thought he was armed and could pull a gun on them? :)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:44 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

lol

Sure! Why not?

They were just having some innocent fun. Not hurting anyone or doing anything wrong.

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Btw... can't let you post a vid without one of my own... :)

Anytime one of you guys start to think beyond what you've been fed, I cant help but have this song run through my head....

Well, of course that song runs through your head. It's what you've been fed!

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:51 PM