Cop brings gun to snowball fight by piratenews

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Cop brings gun to snowball fight

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UPDATED: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:17
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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 2:59 PM

I find it odd that PirateNews came through with the one point I missed addressing, but yeah, turning their own damn surveillence society against them is a slick move too - put THEM under the microscope, see how THEY like it - just make sure you get the footage out of their reach when the inevitable temper tantrum ensues.

As for chopping their funding, it's a hell of a lot easier than you think, yeah, sure, I got more political pull than I often let on, but this ball of wax wasn't even started by me - the locals were pissed off at the department for racism and abuse, up to and including beating a guy to death and inciting both racism and violence on official inter-department emails as de-facto policy, you see.

And then having exposed a couple of the more untoward abuses (which is damned easy, even for a single person, mind you) and in a time of economic crunch, someone other than me raised the question of how cost effective the police were when the local taxpayers wind up with legal bills due to their misconduct instead of protection.

And so when the local police demanded a millage increase cause they already blew the budget on paying out legal fees and lawsuits, the population kinda drew the line on em - resulting in them taking out some ads and intimidating some local papers into running vaguely threatening editorials, combined with a rabid traffic enforcement that began to make the locals irate, rather than upset.

Enter local Anarchist with big mouth pointing out that they're a detriment to the community and nothing more than a legitimized protection racket, and now with the threats and traffic extortion, finally showing the true colors beneath all the bullshit.

Follow that up with the millage getting shot to pieces at the voting booth, local PD going berserk about it and getting even nastier, to which we responded with a funding CUT, and pink slipped half those bastards this week.

Of course, I cannot really claim benevolence or even innocence, cause this little pocket backwater side of the county is/was ALREADY paying us to do community protection, since the police were too busy fucking over, ripping off and abusing their protectees to actually do their job - and since we do such a good job of it, folks started questioning what the hell they needed the cops for, except to carry away the few perps *we* busted, which is damn few cause unlike the Police, we focus on crime prevention, rather than "law enforcement" - so to us they're just the cleanup crew, you understand ?

Not that it matters lately, given the weather and all, but word gets around quick, you do NOT come here with larcenous intent cause the local thugs are so far outta their league it ain't even funny.

Ironically, all this has IMPROVED the behavior of the remaining cops significantly, since the first bastards they sent packin were the old dinosaurs with that rabid sense of entitlement, and the new guys are kinda idealistic and have decided on a little friendly competition - security and law enforcement are two VERY different things with less overlap than folks think, but the local PD has of late been making a big deal of running down burglars and getting the property back, they actually (Cue gasps of shock) INVESTIGATED a couple of cases from communities we do not cover and managed to track some of them down by the use of cellphones and credit cards they'd stolen, and rounded em right up on neat as you please, by the book.

We have a polite, professional relationship with em with no love lost on either side, cause we ARE professional, and we will show up in court with professional grade reports and eyewitness testimony, helping to put these guys away, although we don't play the farcical games the local court system would like us to engage in - if we didn't see it, we DID NOT SEE IT, and I am NOT ordering my people to perjure testimony, hell no.

They also stay the hell outta here when they ain't responding cause it's private friggin property and coming in here to check stickers and plates on quota day is illegal as all hell, and we (unlike many security companies) will get ALL in their case about it, up to and including sitting on the hood of their cruiser lecturing them in clear view of the cruiser-cam.*

Remember, THEY work for US, they're not lords, we're not peons, and if they needs be reminded of this, then REMIND THEM, haul em up by the purse strings, and right now it's a damned easy thing to do.

Find some abuses, make em as public and possible and point out the costs while noting the economic crunch and budget shortfalls, tell em they gotta tighten their belts same as we do - and when the inevitable temper tantrum results due to their sense of entitlement, run the bastards into the ground with it.

It's NOT that damn hard, if you strike the root instead of hackin at the branches.

-F
*ETA: We so filed for that tape, it's gonna be our xmas party footage cause it's bloody hilarious, a cop takin a thirty-six minute lecture on the origin and purpose of fourth amendment protection from an Anarchist security guard sitting on a corner of his hood waxing poetic...
"Jeeesus KeeRHIST man!, okay already, just get off my bumper so I can LEAVE!"

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 3:24 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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I find it odd that PirateNews came through with the one point I missed addressing, but yeah, turning their own damn surveillence society against them is a slick move too - put THEM under the microscope, see how THEY like it - just make sure you get the footage out of their reach when the inevitable temper tantrum ensues.

Haven't read your whole post yet, Frem, but this stuck out at me, and it's something I've been wondering about lately.

Given the explosion of BlueTooth and WiFi (and even the new "MiFi" hubs that you carry in your pocket) technology, how hard would it be now to have backups of your video? Say you're shooting video of something that a certain group wishes you WEREN'T shooting video of, and they happen to accidentally erase your tape or break your camera in the process of "escorting you" out of the area. How feasible is it to have the camera/phone/netbook/computer or whatever transmit the signal to a portable hard drive that's stashed away safely, say, in your car, or in an associate's pocket?

Some cops freak right out when they see cameras, because they tend to KNOW that they're doing the dirty and are about to be exposed. Might be handy if you let them think they've covered their tracks, all the while keeping the tape right on rolling (in a digital sense, of course...).

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 3:29 PM

KWICKO

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*ETA: We so filed for that tape, it's gonna be our xmas party footage cause it's bloody hilarious, a cop takin a thirty-six minute lecture on the origin and purpose of fourth amendment protection from an Anarchist security guard sitting on a corner of his hood waxing poetic...

Gawddammit, I'd love it if you could put it online IF you ever get a copy. Might be that it "accidentally" got erased or taped over, ya know...

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 4:41 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
How feasible is it to have the camera/phone/netbook/computer or whatever transmit the signal to a portable hard drive that's stashed away safely, say, in your car, or in an associate's pocket?

Very, with two caveats.

One is that you actually encrypt the damned transmission, so that someone else cannot use it to spy on YOU - something people are so damned bad at these days it's generally pathetic.

Two is using a non standard tech or frequency - because eventually the bastards DO catch on and start jamming or sweeping, something I avoided by using low power AM freqs until they found a couple during renovations and caught on, idiots.

Those were nice, too, low power AM clamped to the buildings ground line as an antenna, right behind the wall sockets, nice clear audio and since they had no clue where the repeater which translated it to another freq and piped it long for us was, completely untraceable - of course they damn well knew it was me, but provin it...

Hell, you don't even have to go THAT far, you could have it on a RAID to both the device in hand and an SDRAM card in your shoe heel as backup if you wanna get all james bond about it, or on a distributed net over cell or VOIP lines.

Everything goes somewhere, Mikey - everything.

-F

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Tuesday, December 22, 2009 4:43 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Might be that it "accidentally" got erased or taped over, ya know...

If YOU were the local PD, would you try that one on "The Dynamo" ?
Reputation has it's benefits you know.

-F

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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:49 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
As for chopping their funding, it's a hell of a lot easier than you think...

Not in D.C. First, it's a one-party town, so not much chance of part of the City Council trying. Democrats are routinely returned to the Council after stuff that'd get folks elsewhere impeached. Second, Citizen initiated initiatives and referendums "...may not appropriate funds, violate the Home Rule Charter, negate a Budget Act, or violate the Human Rights Act.", so you cant initiate a move to cut funding. Third, you can't get any information out of the city government. Adrian Fenty, who was elected Mayor on a platform of transparency and accountability, refuses to release anything, even stuff such as his travel expenses for official trips(including lugging his personal bike around the country so he can train for triathalons) - even after FOIA requests. Fourth, the local media, including the Post, love the mayor and he can do no wrong in their eyes. Fifth, the D.C. Police have a special relationship with Congress, which has oversight over D.C government. For example, an ex-chief works as a consultant to the Senate Sergeant-at-arms.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:40 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Jezus, Wulf, do you deliberately misunderstand me? I said the cop was an asshole, I was obviously against his pulling his gun, I indicated that he could have merely pulled out his badge and complained if he wanted to, which would be much more sensible, if he wanted to use his authority to make his point, than pulling a goddamned GUN to threaten the crowd! NOWHERE did I say he was the good guy or right, I said the exact OPPOSITE.

To be as clear as I can: I think the cop was 100% in the wrong; I think pulling a gun is completely out of bounds for the situation; I think the responding cops should have taken him to task and he should have been stripped of his gun and put on suspension for inappropriate use of his power; but I also think responding with a gun would be a stupid thing to do and make things much more worse than better.

Note: Just to make a point which I will continue to make, as I've been called some things, I never resort to "fuck you".

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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:01 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Good, glad you can see that what this guy did was wrong.

It also highlights the level of power cops think they have,what they have and what they SHOULD have.

Which, IMHO, is very little.

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Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:17 AM

FREMDFIRMA

There's ways and ways, Geeze - you know that as well as I do, but I sincerely take your point about how bad the corruption in Death City is, yes.

It does give one cause to wonder though, that the if you map the areas of greatest crime and unheaval and cross compare to police and government bastions, the correlation is pretty obvious, is it not ?

Government is so poor at fighting crime cause most of Government *IS* crime.

-F

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