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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Can you imagine the uproar if our government sponsored a shooting match for all its citizens, and provided them ammo free of charge, and even issued them weapons?

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Originally posted by jameron4eva:
But the only catch is that with the Swiss's, appoligizing ahead of time, policy on "NEUTRALITY", they have no will to use the weapons. Hell they didn't even try and stop Hitler, and the Nazi's, by the way not all Germans are Nazi's, in fact i hate those blond headed, blue beady-eyed punks for screwing Germany's reputation. The Swiss had a little bit of influence with Germany, and they didn't even try, cowards. Sorry rant is off.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

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Originally posted by jameron4eva:
But the only catch is that with the Swiss's, appoligizing ahead of time, policy on "NEUTRALITY", they have no will to use the weapons. Hell they didn't even try and stop Hitler, and the Nazi's, by the way not all Germans are Nazi's, in fact i hate those blond headed, blue beady-eyed punks for screwing Germany's reputation. The Swiss had a little bit of influence with Germany, and they didn't even try, cowards. Sorry rant is off.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

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Unlike the US who continued to sell Steel amongst other war materials to Germany until late 1941, the Swiss broke ties with the Nazis in the mid 1930s.

In 1939, when Britain, France, Canada, etc entered the war against Germany, the Swiss went to %100 mobilization, and political control of the country was turned over to General Henri Guisan... who prepared to face a German invasion, do as much damage to the attacker as possible, then retreat into a prolonged guerrilla campaign.

He made it very clear that Switzerland would resist any Nazi invasion. If they ran out of bullets they were to resort to the bayonet. He said that Switzerland would defend itself against any invader and would never surrender.[4] The Swiss government had a decentralised structure, so even the Federal President was a relatively powerless official with no authority to surrender the country. Indeed, Swiss citizens had been instructed to regard any surrender broadcast as enemy lies and resist to the end

The Swiss airforce shot down many German aircraft which strayed into Swiss territory, and later in the war began to shoot down American bombers who were lost and bombing the wrong country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland_during_the_World_Wars


To do anything outrageous would have been national suicide, and pointless. The only way Germany wouldn't have lost the war to the Russians, was if Germany deployed nukes... and even then it is a maybe.

So any way, lots of will... just they pick their fights better than most do.

I read a story once that Guisan met with one of Germany field marshals right before the war. The Field Marshal scoffed at the idea of a swiss defence and said so you have 50,000 troops on your border... what would you do if I attacked with 200,000 men. Guisan answered that each of his men would fire 4 shots, then go home for dinner.

Don't know if that last is true, just thought it a cool story.



Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists


Lets party like its 1939

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Ahhh... but the Swiss banks were full of STOLEN Jewish Gold and money, all stolen and put there by the Nazi's. And the Swiss used it to fund the country, and they let Nazi's taje the money. So Switzerland, while putting on a face of indifference, was actually supporting the Nazi's.

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I read a story once that Guisan met with one of Germany field marshals right before the war. The Field Marshal scoffed at the idea of a swiss defence and said so you have 50,000 troops on your border... what would you do if I attacked with 200,000 men. Guisan answered that each of his men would fire 4 shots, then go home for dinner.

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Originally posted by jameron4eva:
But the only catch is that with the Swiss's, appoligizing ahead of time, policy on "NEUTRALITY", they have no will to use the weapons. Hell they didn't even try and stop Hitler, and the Nazi's, by the way not all Germans are Nazi's, in fact i hate those blond headed, blue beady-eyed punks for screwing Germany's reputation. The Swiss had a little bit of influence with Germany, and they didn't even try, cowards. Sorry rant is off.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

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Unlike the US who continued to sell Steel amongst other war materials to Germany until late 1941, the Swiss broke ties with the Nazis in the mid 1930s.

In 1939, when Britain, France, Canada, etc entered the war against Germany, the Swiss went to %100 mobilization, and political control of the country was turned over to General Henri Guisan... who prepared to face a German invasion, do as much damage to the attacker as possible, then retreat into a prolonged guerrilla campaign.

He made it very clear that Switzerland would resist any Nazi invasion. If they ran out of bullets they were to resort to the bayonet. He said that Switzerland would defend itself against any invader and would never surrender.[4] The Swiss government had a decentralised structure, so even the Federal President was a relatively powerless official with no authority to surrender the country. Indeed, Swiss citizens had been instructed to regard any surrender broadcast as enemy lies and resist to the end

The Swiss airforce shot down many German aircraft which strayed into Swiss territory, and later in the war began to shoot down American bombers who were lost and bombing the wrong country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland_during_the_World_Wars


To do anything outrageous would have been national suicide, and pointless. The only way Germany wouldn't have lost the war to the Russians, was if Germany deployed nukes... and even then it is a maybe.

So any way, lots of will... just they pick their fights better than most do.

I read a story once that Guisan met with one of Germany field marshals right before the war. The Field Marshal scoffed at the idea of a swiss defence and said so you have 50,000 troops on your border... what would you do if I attacked with 200,000 men. Guisan answered that each of his men would fire 4 shots, then go home for dinner.

Don't know if that last is true, just thought it a cool story.



Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists


Lets party like its 1939

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Ahhh... but the Swiss banks were full of STOLEN Jewish Gold and money, all stolen and put there by the Nazi's. And the Swiss used it to fund the country, and they let Nazi's taje the money. So Switzerland, while putting on a face of indifference, was actually supporting the Nazi's.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

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Originally posted by Niki2:

I agree with Magon's that Switzerland is far, FAR different from America; the mentalities developed from very different origins and carry on that way. Comparing American gun ownership to Swiss gun ownership is incredibly funny, Any justification, I suppose, but it's a fallacious one' there is no comparison.

I also disagree about Switzerland and Nazi money. I don't think it requires courts or "proof" to know it was done; how many works of art have been salvaged from Switzerland and proven to originally belong to Jewish families? In wartime all nations loot, and I don't doubt tons of it landed in protected Swiss banks.

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PN, you wouldn't last a week there! They would find your PC, shut down your website, take away your weapons (if you had any) and cart you off to the loony bin.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I agree with Magon's that Switzerland is far, FAR different from America; the mentalities developed from very different origins and carry on that way. Comparing American gun ownership to Swiss gun ownership is incredibly funny, Any justification, I suppose, but it's a fallacious one' there is no comparison.

I also disagree about Switzerland and Nazi money. I don't think it requires courts or "proof" to know it was done; how many works of art have been salvaged from Switzerland and proven to originally belong to Jewish families? In wartime all nations loot, and I don't doubt tons of it landed in protected Swiss banks.

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PN, you wouldn't last a week there! They would find your PC, shut down your website, take away your weapons (if you had any) and cart you off to the loony bin.

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It became a matter for the courts in all the other country's where this loot ended up...

I think it would be wrong to condemn the swiss to a different standard...

Nazi loot in UK set to be returned
http://www.elginism.com/20090713/2240/

Austria's Nazi loot on show
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7879588.stm

Arnold Schwarzenegger hands back Nazi loot
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2009/apr/12/nazi-jewish-renaiss
ance-paintings-california

Government accepts Nazi Loot Panel's advice that drawings seized by Gestapo in 1939 but currently in UK museum must be returned to heirs of original owner

http://www.culture.gov.uk/reference_library/media_releases/2223.aspx


Of course, todays loot is more complex than gold coins or artwork, but it is still loot

A Balkanised Iraq is Easier to Loot

http://afpakwar.com/blog/2009/11/16/a-balkanised-iraq-is-easier-to-loo
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An interesting link... history of looted art

includes Afghan art, Iraqi art, legal fights to reclaim art from US museums, etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looted_art



Either your with the terrorists, or ... your with the terrorists


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Imagine if people in Western Europe, the US or Australia would firebomb the mosques and arrest all Mohammedans who carry a Koran!

Mohammedans do it all the time, and the world yawns:

Muslims desecrate and torch church in Algeria, Christians arrested for carrying bibles

ALGIERS, Algeria – Islamists looted and burned a Protestant church in Algeria, the congregation’s leader said Monday, suggesting they were inspired by a recent spate of religious intolerance in the Arab and Muslim world.

The church — hosted in an apartment block in the city of Tizi Ouzou some 100 kilometers (60 miles) east ofAlgiers, the Algerian capital — was ransacked and set ablaze on Saturday night, several Algerian newspapers said.

The independent El Watan daily published a picture of a smoldering pile of pulpits and desks that had been brought outside for destruction. It quoted the pastor of the local Pentecostal community, Mustapha Krireche, as saying worshippers fled the temple because local police had left a gathering of anti-Christian rioters unchecked.

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I would assume that provision for keeping such weapons would be also based on psychological fitness, which means those sort of people who suffer paranoid delusions about ridiculous world conspiracies and spend 24 hours a day on the net telling everyone about them would probably be excluded from ownership.

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Originally posted by Niki2:

Think I got as far as Jew Banksters own the world, or somesuch, then I stopped reading.

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"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races, as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
-Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to Kenneset

"The Complete Guide to Killing Non-Jews" by Rabbi Od Yosef Hai Yeshiva, 9 Nov 2009
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/11/19/updated-version-of-the-com
plete-guide-to-killing-non-jews/

British court indicts Israeli minister for warcrimes against Semites in Israel
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=41155

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=487412&contrassID=2&sub
ContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

It's a felony to preach Christianity OR JUDAISM in Israel
http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/christian-persecution-aler
t-messianic-jews-arrested-in-israel/

Israeli Law of Return only allows citizenship for jews
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

Obama Feeling the Jewish Hate in Jerusalem
http://video:%20www.tu.tv/videos/feeling-the-hate-in-jerusalem-on-eve-
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The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel.htm

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I would assume that provision for keeping such weapons would be also based on psychological fitness, which means those sort of people who suffer paranoid delusions about ridiculous world conspiracies and spend 24 hours a day on the net telling everyone about them would probably be excluded from ownership.

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Magonsdaughter, I know that was probably a snark, but this suggestion overlooks whether said crazy people want to use the guns to fulfill delusions of grandeur or to "prevent" the global conspiracy from coming to pass by shooting up a Taco Bell. As an admittedly crazy conspiracy theorist, I feel you have unfairly lumped me with a more unstable crowd.

I have no interest in owning or operating a gun, nor do I think shooting any one person (or anyone in general) would stop any of the global conspiracies I believe in. Really, the opposite, I see murder and violence as playing into the hands of TPTB.

But if you told me and people like me simply CAN'T own guns because of what those other people theoretically might do, I might take issue. Mostly because it can be completely subjective whether someone is "harmless" and false positives for psychological problems are increasingly easy to obtain.

A better method would be to rely on the local community and their assessment of whether someone can be trusted with a firearm. Assuming you HAVE a community, and not personal isolation and apathy in a sea of people like most cities. But then, maybe we should be working to redevelop a strong sense of community in cities anyway, because it's one of the best crime deterrents out there.

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