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yada, yada, yada

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Oh really, then what are you doing here? shit he@d?

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just how far up your a$$ does mr. obama have his hand. sockpuppet.

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I'm sorry, sockpuppet sh*theels are not allowed to be taken seriously on this forum.
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I actually know how to cut and paste also.
You have to be form of brian dead dead jacka$$

I'm sorry, sockpuppet sh*theels are not allowed to be taken seriously on this forum.
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I was trying to say that in general, people consider the signers as the "founding fathers". That's how people refer to them, as the ones who created the Constitution and our form of government.

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To deny that is silly, in my opinion, given that the reference is made time and time again, recently by the Right as an indiction that Obama is--whatever they want him to be at the moment. C'mon, be it truth or otherwise, you can't tell me that all the bullshit that comes out nowadays about "not what the Founding Fathers (capitalized) meant for our country" refers to anyone but those who wrote the Constitution?

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As to "diverse", sorry, I don't consider a bunch of white males as being "diverse", whatever their differing politics may be. They all had similar basic beliefs and basic intent, and "diversity" in the form of writing the Constitution wiht recognition of women and other ethnicities as valid wasn't there, period.

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But answer this totally honestly, even if just to yourself. If someone asked you out of the blue to name your favorite, say, Supreme Court Justice or Speaker of the House, could you come up with a name and reason in a couple of seconds, or might you hem and haw a bit first?

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Geezer, stop.

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Most historians define the "founding fathers" to mean a larger group, including not only the Signers and the Framers but also all those who, whether as politicians or jurists or statesmen or soldiers or diplomats or ordinary citizens, took part in winning American independence and creating the United States of America. The eminent American historian Richard B. Morris, in his 1973 book Seven Who Shaped Our Destiny: The Founding Fathers as Revolutionaries, identified the following seven figures as the key founding fathers: Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, John Jay, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton.

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Y'know, I've kinda gotta go with Geezer on this one.

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Oh sure, about Washington. I just wish Geezer could answer my question. Hell, I don't think I can think of a time he hasn't answered a question of mine with anything but a question. I'm through trying to discuss anything to him. Back to jibes & insults, I guess.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Geezer, stop. Government is her BUSINESS. She should know it like I know martial arts.
By the way Geeze, what's your favourite lead strike?

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Okay. I'll address your question.

First, knowing American history isn't, or shouldn't be, specialist knowledge for politicians alone.

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Palin did answer Beck's question about her favorite Founder.
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George Washington, by any criteria, WAS a Founding Father, dispite Niki's quibbles and circumlocutions, so the title of this thread is obviously incorrect.

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my favorite lead strike is a .308 caliber 200g Sierra MatchKing at 1000 yards.

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my favorite lead strike is a .308 caliber 200g Sierra MatchKing at 1000 yards.

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In the martial arts world, I believe that's known as sniper-fu.

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Seems to me the folks who put the video you posted together are loonies on a par with pundits like Limbaugh, the folks who put 'birther' sites up, and those who create pictures of Pres. Obama in Joker makeup.

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Yet I only need to twitch a finger... :)


It's said that it takes thirteen muscles to smile, yet it only takes seven to pull the trigger on a really nice sniper rifle.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

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Seems to me the folks who put the video you posted together are loonies on a par with pundits like Limbaugh, the folks who put 'birther' sites up, and those who create pictures of Pres. Obama in Joker makeup.

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My view on this:

I agree that a lot of the Palin scoffs are unfair (though not all of them!), and there are a lot of cheap shots taken at her (although in this example she set herself up for cheap shots by foolishly re-using her infamous 'all of them' line). This is just the nature of partisan politics - it's bias, shaded lenses - it doesn't equate to loonyness. Conspiracy theories I would say, are a different matter - they are often outlandish and deny all the available evidence.

Is the view that Sarah Palin is a dunderhead a conspiracy theory (or comparable to one)? Certainly the very idea of a VP candidate and popular political figure being an ignorant airhead is quite outlandish and unlikely... but in my subjective judgement the evidence points to just that. Certainly, she has given so many apparently clueless answers that such a conclusion can only be described as hasty/cynical (not loony) at worst.

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Anyone remember Dan Quayle? Spiro Agnew? *ahem* Ermmm...


Joe Biden?

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My only point was that being in government should entail some intimate knowledge of the workings & history of it, in the way being in martial arts entails the same.

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Geezer - do you really see her as presidential material?

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Not really. I just object to the attack video at the beginning of this thread. It's mean-spirited and snarky...but most of all, its premise is factually incorrect.

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My only point was that being in government should entail some intimate knowledge of the workings & history of it, in the way being in martial arts entails the same.

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I agree, but I don't quite get your point.
Palin did name a Founding Father, something some of the folks mocking her in this thread seem to be unable to do. She also supplied information about Washington (his dislike for political service) that many folks don't know.

If Beck had asked her how a bill becomes law and she flubbed that, I'd say go ahead and scoff, but that didn't happen.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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My only point was that being in government should entail some intimate knowledge of the workings & history of it, in the way being in martial arts entails the same.

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