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Written at 2230 Hrs (US Eastern) 15th
January 2010.

A contact in Australia just alerted me to what he describes as "very strange weather taking place over the south west of Australia". He told me to go to the national weather satellite images if I could not open the images he attached (See left). By the time I had discovered the e-mail and checked, the large clearly defined ring had mostly dissipated but still was just
visible on a time loop which was spiraling counter clockwise (Low Pressure system).

http://www.colinandrews.net/Cloud-Radar-Circle-Australia-2010-0116.htm
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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Yeah, couldn't possibly have been any kind of a glitch with their radar systems or anything. It *MUST* have been HAARP.

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Originally posted by Littlebird:
Interesting articles. I've done some reading on Tesla. Some of his experiments were wild.

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Originally posted by rue:
That is from Australia. Are radar images superimposed on satellite images as they are here in the US ? If so, clearly there are radar problems.

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Originally posted by out2theblack:
Radar problems ? Yes , of course , that has to be the answer !

First problem would be the line -of-sight limitations of a terrestrial radar sweep , of the immense size that the photo suggests...

Are you 'experts' saying that Australian meteorologists have a radar that casts a beam for hundreds of miles in any direction , and it has a coverage area that includes scores of thousands of square kilometers ?

Wow , that's special !

How did they manage to overcome the limitations imposed by that niggling curvature-of-the-Earth issue that gets in the way of American weather radars ?

Saying that this is just a radar glitch is like saying that the Columbia debris return from Shreveport Doppler was also just an anomaly...

Apparently , some Folk are not aware that HAARP is a gigantic phased-array which is known to be powerful enough to 'boil' the ionosphere , and is known to be able to rip a hole in it , admitting radiation directly from space...

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

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First problem would be the line -of-sight limitations of a terrestrial radar sweep , of the immense size that the photo suggests...

Are you 'experts' saying that Australian meteorologists have a radar that casts a beam for hundreds of miles in any direction , and it has a coverage area that includes scores of thousands of square kilometers ?

Wow , that's special !

How did they manage to overcome the limitations imposed by that niggling curvature-of-the-Earth issue that gets in the way of American weather radars ?

Saying that this is just a radar glitch is like saying that the Columbia debris return from Shreveport Doppler was also just an anomaly...

Apparently , some Folk are not aware that HAARP is a gigantic phased-array which is known to be powerful enough to 'boil' the ionosphere , and is known to be able to rip a hole in it , admitting radiation directly from space...

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Weird - my local TV station's Doppler radar routinely shows me what's going on in Dallas, Houston, San Angelo, Midland/Odessa, Shreveport - even though they are all hundreds of miles away.


By the way, how does HAARP deal with the curvature of the Earth? I mean, there IS curvature between the Arctic Circle and southern Australia, right? Are they bouncing it off the Moon?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Weird - my local TV station's Doppler radar routinely shows me what's going on in Dallas, Houston, San Angelo, Midland/Odessa, Shreveport - even though they are all hundreds of miles away.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

By the way, how does HAARP deal with the curvature of the Earth? I mean, there IS curvature between the Arctic Circle and southern Australia, right? Are they bouncing it off the Moon?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh, hey - maybe we could bounce it off one of those mirrors we didn't put up there, eh? ;)

Since you're an "expert" on "science and technology", can you please explain to all of us how you go about "skipping" a signal for hundreds and thousands of miles, and still get a perfectly circular signal signature in the atmosphere?

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Originally posted by rue:
That is from Australia...If so, clearly there are radar problems.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So after all your insisting that this COULDN'T be a "radar glitch", you now claim that that's exactly what radars are for, to shape images.

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Originally posted by rue:
BTW - DO you have an answer for Kwicko's question ? I'm kinda' thinking not.

As for your link, someone needs to go into WIKI and correct an error. It states: "In this propagation method, when the signal encounters a rise in temperature in the atmosphere instead of the normal decrease (known as a temperature inversion), the higher refractive index of the atmosphere there will cause the signal to be bent."

That is false. Higher temperature results in LOWER density which results in LOWER refractive index. "Cold air is denser than warm air and has therefore a greater refractive index."

I'm amazed that you of all people, with your superior intellect, didn't notice that.


Oh, btw, as the proud owner of an all-band receiver I've had a lot of fun taking advantage of signal skipping. What it doesn't do is cause miles-wide coherent images to skip, like you seem to think it does.


OH, also, I noticed that you just couldn't resist snarking when you had no other answer on hand. From now on, I'll take it as a symptom of your inability to contribute in a meaningful way.

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Originally posted by rue:
And you are ? I hope to see your credentials some day.

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Sure...Soon as you get Operative ScamBO to show all of his...You can permaybehaps begin by getting him to show some of his scholarly papers
whereby he proves himself a scholar regarding the Constitution...and his qualifications re: being a native-born Citizen of the
United States...





Hey , lookie here ! A hexagonal figure on Saturn...Hmmm , must be a Doppler weather-radar glitch...

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Originally posted by rue:
I'm kinda' thinking not.

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Originally posted by rue:
But receiving signals is tricky - you have to be in a very small area at the right time.

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Originally posted by rue:
Early dementia. So sad.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh, hey - maybe we could bounce it off one of those mirrors we didn't put up there, eh? ;)

Since you're an "expert" on "science and technology", can you please explain to all of us how you go about "skipping" a signal for hundreds and thousands of miles, and still get a perfectly circular signal signature in the atmosphere?



Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Just a clue , Rue...

Owning a radio receiver will not make you a radar expert...

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh, hey - maybe we could bounce it off one of those mirrors we didn't put up there, eh? ;)

Since you're an "expert" on "science and technology", can you please explain to all of us how you go about "skipping" a signal for hundreds and thousands of miles, and still get a perfectly circular signal signature in the atmosphere?



Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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It all depends on the signal and wavelength Mike, VHF / UHF are limited to line of sight with radio transmission, but HF signals bounce off the ionosphere... skywave we called it. Specialized antenna design can give you control to extend that range. Yagi antennas etc

This I have done myself, with portable 40 yr old equipment, I have received Radio Moscow ( as a demo at a recruiting drive, seems cool to folk who never seen it ) and had two way comms with Vancouver from Calgary over the Rocky Mountains.

From what I have read you can do similar things with radar...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/an-fps-118.htm

AN/FPS-118 Over-The-Horizon-Backscatter (OTH-B) Radar

The U.S. Air Force's over-the-horizon-backscatter (OTH-B) air defense radar system is by several criteria the largest radar system in the world. Six one-million-watt OTH radars see far beyond the range of conventional microwave radars by bouncing their 5-28-MHz waves off the ionosphere, an ionized layer about 200 km above the earth. It was developed over 25 years at a cost of $1.5 billion to warn against Soviet bomber attacks when the planes were still thousands of miles from US air space.


Not that I buy what PN said, ( way beyond my understanding of the tech )

But signal propagation off the atmosphere is relatively common.






Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Since you're an "expert" on "science and technology", can you please explain to all of us how you go about "skipping" a signal for hundreds and thousands of miles, and still get a perfectly circular signal signature in the atmosphere?

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Judging from this photo from Oz, a version of HAARP is installed on the ground at the center of this donut cloud. Whether run by USA or Oz, don't know. Try Google Earth to get a photo of it...

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Originally posted by rue:
That is from Australia...If so, clearly there are radar problems.

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Yes , of course , Rue...You ARE 'curious' .

What a capacity for overstating the obvious .

Thank you for your expert opinion .

With your 'logic' , brains are rendered completely obsolete...

Heh , heh...

But , for the benefit of curious Folk , here's a little tidbit :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropospheric_ducting

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Originally posted by rue:
That is from Australia...If so, clearly there are radar problems.

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Yes , of course , Rue...You ARE 'curious' .

What a capacity for overstating the obvious .

Thank you for your expert opinion .

With your 'logic' , brains are rendered completely obsolete...

Heh , heh...

But , for the benefit of curious Folk , here's a little tidbit :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropospheric_ducting

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Go for it. Fetch, boy! FETCH!

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
I guess you'd be the guy to ask about this theory

"Could the circle not be the result of sunspots

with the ozone layer being thinner towards the poles giving it a greater than normal effect, and the pic we are looking at being a composite picture of several Doppler radars, perhaps with the involved area being at the edge of signal range

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perhaps the computer systems which blends the data together into one image tags an area of interference in such a manner "

or am I completely out there too ?

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Originally posted by rue:
"As a geophysicist who's specialized in wave propagation ..."

OOOOhhh - cool !

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
As a geophysicist who's specialized in wave propagation, mostly in the solid earth but also with some studies carried out in the atmosphere, I must ask...

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