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Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:07 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Niki2:
What cartoon? What cartoon? I can always use a good laugh, but I scrolled up, then back down again, and can't find it!






This one:



Linky went bad on earlier post.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:14 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
As a geophysicist who's specialized in wave propagation, mostly in the solid earth but also with some studies carried out in the atmosphere, I must ask...



*schnlort* what were the odds... exceptional timing m4p

Thanks! Although, I'd had a few glasses of champagne last night, and pompous, antagonistic spouting of bad science always gets me riled. So my second question to O2B wasn't so well worded. Might even call it incoherent. Oops!


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Monday, February 1, 2010 1:44 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Just bumping this in case Out2Lunch missed it. We were all still waiting for him to wow us with his technical expertise. I'd hate to think he ran away when things got tough. Again, I mean. He's been known to do that in the past...

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Monday, February 1, 2010 3:02 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Sorry PN,







Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of JalapeƱo peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 2:25 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Just bumping this in case Out2Lunch missed it. We were all still waiting for him to wow us with his technical expertise. I'd hate to think he ran away when things got tough. Again, I mean. He's been known to do that in the past...

Somehow I'm not surprised. Reminds me of the evolution talk I had with... who was that? Oh, antimason. He tried to start into the same crap 2 years after our original debate. I pulled up the old thread, and hey presto! Disappeared immediately.

Reminds me of a friend who taught at a college in the Bible Belt. She brought in a guest speaker about evolution and expected a lively debate from the god fearing crowd, but her students said nothing. She asked later why they hadn't challenged this guy, and here's the response: "Oh, it wouldn't do any good, he was too smart for us to argue with. Besides, we know we're right."

Do you think Out2wherever would get the irony in that?

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 4:09 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Wow, still nothin'.


Do you hear crickets, Mal4?

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Tuesday, February 2, 2010 5:12 PM

MAL4PREZ




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Friday, February 5, 2010 11:35 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
As a geophysicist who's specialized in wave propagation, mostly in the solid earth but also with some studies carried out in the atmosphere, I must ask...



*schnlort* what were the odds... exceptional timing m4p

Thanks! Although, I'd had a few glasses of champagne last night, and pompous, antagonistic spouting of bad science always gets me riled. So my second question to O2B wasn't so well worded. Might even call it incoherent. Oops!




Drunks are so cute !

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Friday, February 5, 2010 3:27 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
As a geophysicist who's specialized in wave propagation, mostly in the solid earth but also with some studies carried out in the atmosphere, I must ask...



*schnlort* what were the odds... exceptional timing m4p

Thanks! Although, I'd had a few glasses of champagne last night, and pompous, antagonistic spouting of bad science always gets me riled. So my second question to O2B wasn't so well worded. Might even call it incoherent. Oops!




Drunks are so cute !



And isn't it embarrassing when cute drunks are many times smarter than you?





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Friday, February 5, 2010 10:22 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


They're BAAAACK!



"Radar rings" is the result of a test period for a Tesla Shield Generator
http://www.colinandrews.net/Cloud-Radar-Circle-Australia-2010-0122.htm
l


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The Jindalee Operational Radar Network (JORN) consists of two OTHR(over the horizon
radar), one near Longreach, Qld. and the other near Laverton, WA, jointly operated from the JORN Coordination Centre (JCC) at RAAF Base Edinburgh, SA by No 1 Radar Surveillance Unit.

The radars are an advanced development of the Australian designed Jindalee radar at Alice Springs which is in operational use as well as being a research and development facility used by DSTO for ongoing OTHR improvement.

JORN radars are capable of all weather detection of air and surface targets inside an arc of up to 3,000 km range extending from Geraldton in the west around to Cairns in the east. JORN makes a crucial contribution to broad area surveillance of Australia's strategically important northern approaches.



Australian HAARP?




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Saturday, February 6, 2010 2:48 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


What's floating above my head? Apart from lots of lovely clouds.

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 3:07 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oz govt is doing a massive land grab and ethnic cleansing for reasons of "Global Warming drought", without paying the farmers for stealing their land.



Er, I know our government is capable of shit, but this distortion is a new one to me. Please explain what you are on about. What ethnic cleansing? What is this about.

BTW the Bureau of Meteorology keeps its satellite pics for a couple of days. So it wouldn't have 'just disappeared'. Must be some big government conspiracy to cover something up.

*Goes back to spinning on her head*

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 6:35 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oz govt is doing a massive land grab and ethnic cleansing for reasons of "Global Warming drought", without paying the farmers for stealing their land.



Er, I know our government is capable of shit, but this distortion is a new one to me. Please explain what you are on about. What ethnic cleansing? What is this about.



The ethnic cleansing of white citizens is a continuation of the founding of Oz based on white slavery of prison settlements, and the continual ethnic cleansing of native Ozians.
www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS346US346&ei=O5ltS5_uDIO1tg
ezhe2ABg&sa=X&oi=spellfullpage&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=2&ved=0CAcQvwUoAQ&&q=ethnic+cleansing+australia&spell=1


The original Crocodile Dundee, Rodney William Ansell, was gunned down and executed by police state death squad, to steal his giant farm.
www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS346US346&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-
8&q=crocodile+dundee+killed


The "Global Warming" drought in Oz is driving farmers off their farms. How convenient for Al Gore.
www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS346US346&q=australia+farme
rs+drought&aq=f&aqi=&oq
=

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Australian Drought Driving Farmers To Desperation

It had been estimated by the mental health organisation Beyond Blue that one Australian farmer commits suicide every four days, she said. Cullen said at least some of the extra 350 million dollars should be used to help farmers leave land which can no longer sustain agriculture.

www.terradaily.com/reports/Australian_Drought_Driving_Farmers_To_Despe
ration_999.html


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Saturday, February 6, 2010 10:21 AM

OUT2THEBLACK


Quote:


Originally posted by out2theblack:

Drunks are so cute !



Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:

And isn't it embarrassing when cute drunks are many times smarter than you?





To borrow a phrase from Book , " Ain't gonna happen !"

If there were such a thing as a cute , 'smart' drunk , they'd know when to stop digging and shut up...

But , they don't...

It begs the question , " If MalFormedPerson is such a frickin' smart 'geophysicist' , what are they doing 'teaching' 17-year-olds ,
instead of having a sweet gig with an oil company doing exploration to alleviate the 'energy crisis' ?"

Awaiting an authentic , 'scientifically valid' response...

Meanwhile , here's another in a long string of embarrassing circumstances for the Govt.-controlled 'scientists' :

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/02/08/noaa-blizzard-rearranges-clim
ate-change-announcement
/

Here's an older one , from WSJ :

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703499404574559630382048
494.html?mod=googlenews_wsj#printMode


Here's some vintage evidence of the global warming problem : http://larc.hamgate.net/blizzard_of_1977.htm

NASA detects gamma-ray pulses at airliner altitudes :
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2010/10feb_friendlyskies.htm?list15
1756

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 12:21 PM

BYTEMITE


Probably the same reason why my professors in college were teaching dumb twenty year olds who kept falling asleep in class (Hiya!).

It's been too long since I even looked at wave propagation, and I'm sleepy right now. Funny how things don't change.

Can't do much more than shrug here. Maybe later when brain is working good, I'll come back and try to make sense of this argument and take a position.

*Goes to sleep off chocolate sugar high crash*

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 1:05 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oz govt is doing a massive land grab and ethnic cleansing for reasons of "Global Warming drought", without paying the farmers for stealing their land.



Er, I know our government is capable of shit, but this distortion is a new one to me. Please explain what you are on about. What ethnic cleansing? What is this about.



The ethnic cleansing of white citizens is a continuation of the founding of Oz based on white slavery of prison settlements, and the continual ethnic cleansing of native Ozians.
www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS346US346&ei=O5ltS5_uDIO1tg
ezhe2ABg&sa=X&oi=spellfullpage&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=2&ved=0CAcQvwUoAQ&&q=ethnic+cleansing+australia&spell=1


The original Crocodile Dundee, Rodney William Ansell, was gunned down and executed by police state death squad, to steal his giant farm.
www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS346US346&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-
8&q=crocodile+dundee+killed


The "Global Warming" drought in Oz is driving farmers off their farms. How convenient for Al Gore.
www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS346US346&q=australia+farme
rs+drought&aq=f&aqi=&oq
=

Quote:

Australian Drought Driving Farmers To Desperation

It had been estimated by the mental health organisation Beyond Blue that one Australian farmer commits suicide every four days, she said. Cullen said at least some of the extra 350 million dollars should be used to help farmers leave land which can no longer sustain agriculture.

www.terradaily.com/reports/Australian_Drought_Driving_Farmers_To_Despe
ration_999.html



What a mixed bag you have presented in support of your looney theories.

The first link is a general google one on "Australia ethnic cleansing" which contains a hotch potch of references where the words have been connected. None of them contain links to ethnic cleansing of the white population, whichhas never and does not happen.

It does link to a number of Australian government policies on the treatment of Aboriginal peoples, which in the past have indeed added up to what anounts to be ethnic cleansing. That is our grave stain to bear and atone.

The second link about the real life Crocodile Dundee (apart from the looney conspiracy sights) desribes the death of a man in a shoot out with police, after he had shot a police officer.

Quote:

The real Crocodile Dundee lay dead on an Australian outback road yesterday after a police bullet ended a rampage which turned a celluloid legend into a murderer.

Rod Ansell shot dead a police officer and was killed in return fire after injuring two men in a two-day shooting spree that gave a gruesome twist to his reputation as the wild man of the bush.



The third describes how Australian farmers are suffering from the affects of long term drought and being forced to leave their land, which can no longer support them. That is true.

And your point was?

I'm still waiting to levitate into the air under some centrifugal force hovering over our country.

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 1:18 PM

MAL4PREZ


Out2whoknowswhere: You do make it seem that you can't carry on a rational conversation. I've seen enough of your posts on this site that I'm not surprised to see you turning to silly insults. Hey - isn't that what insecure people tend to do when they they can't back up their boasts? Change the subject and attack?


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It begs the question , " If MalFormedPerson is such a frickin' smart 'geophysicist' , what are they doing 'teaching' 17-year-olds ,
instead of having a sweet gig with an oil company doing exploration to alleviate the 'energy crisis' ?"

I did work in oil for a while, and I didn't like it. Which worked out fine, since funding for basic research in oil recovery dried up (total accidental pun) during the Bush administration. The oil companies were making plenty simply by having that administration in place. No need to waste those $140/barrel profits on research. (BTW - back in 98 when oil hit $12 they were in a panic because they budgeted for $22. Just think how much fucking profit they've been pulling in the last few years...)

So the big oil companies cut their research groups and now contract with service companies such as Halliburton or Schlumberger for "science-y" tasks. I did have a job offer from Schlumberger right out of grad school, but I didn't take it. It was a complicated time in my life, but basically it came to this: I didn't want to do that kind of science. (Mostly enhanced oil recovery - how to get more oil of a reservoir.)

My last research job was actually defense based - using earthquake data to help with detecting underground nuclear explosions. The science there is more of what interests me, even if the bureaucracy behind a government contract, and the politics with our overseas partners, was a bit crazy at times.

I also had a contract with a smaller service company doing wave modeling work for a logging tool they were developing, but I can't tell you the details on that. Proprietary.

Anyway, I left research because 1: Making as much $$ as possible had never been a big priority for me. I think I can make enough to be comfortable in just about any career I choose, and that's all I need. 2: the oil jobs tend to be Texas and I didn't like living there 3: Oil company science is all about maximizing profit, and I didn't find the research satisfying 4: The 17 year olds I teach now are bright, motivated, interesting, conversant, and I enjoy working with them 5: part of my work day now involves coaching sports or working with kids in areas outside science, and I like the diversity 6: I have approximately 16 weeks a year of vacation in which to travel and pursue hobbies I love.

Incidentally, I make more money now than I did in my last research job. That certainly wasn't the reason I changed careers, but I think makes plenty of sense. I love what I do now, so I'm good at it, and that's been recognized.


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Awaiting an authentic , 'scientifically valid' response...
As do I, and Kwicko and Rue and perhaps others from up the thread. The difference is, I'm not expecting any kind of authentic or mature response from you.

Who knows. Maybe you really will surprise me?

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Saturday, February 6, 2010 1:31 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
And your point was?

Someone said this in some other thread, and it makes sense to me. I think the point is to get you to click on the links.


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Saturday, February 6, 2010 2:30 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:
Meanwhile , in other weather-related News from down under :

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comm
ents/most_meteorologists_cantt_disagree_its_a_scam


Of course there's no such thing as weather wars...


This is a reporting on American climate change debate by an Australian polemicist who is a right winged weather skeptic and has nothing to do with Australia what so ever.

I quote:

Quote:

The American Meteorological Society (AMS) survey was limited to television weather forecasters who are also meteorologists. A prior survey of all television weather forecasters--including ones without meteorological training--produced a heavy percentage of skeptics. The new survey was designed to determine whether the meteorologists held the same opinion as the broader group of all television weather forecasters.

The survey was conducted by the congressionally funded National Environmental Education Foundation and vetted by an advisory board of climate experts from groups such as the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, National Weather Service, and Pew Center for Global Climate Change.

The AMS study found:


Only 24 percent of the survey respondents agree with United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) assertion, Most of the warming since 1950 is very likely human-induced.

Only 19 percent agree with the claim, Global climate models are reliable in their projection for a warming of the planet.

Only 19 percent agree with the assertion, Global climate models are reliable in their projections for precipitation and drought.

Only 45 percent disagree with Weather Channel cofounder John Colemans strongly worded statement, Global warming is a scam.



Firstly we are talking about tv weathermen for a start - how many are watching their allegiance to their audiences if they are filled with ignorant global skeptic who also probably are anti evolution, anti science, extreme righties themselves.

Secondly, how wishy washy is this survey. Are global climate models reliable? If you don't believe they are 100% reliable then you say no. Doesn't mean you don't believe in climate change.
If you read the actual survey that is pretty much what is suggested, it doesn't indicate that half the meteorologists on tv are climate change skeptics.




Regardless, this is a survey of opinions, not facts. It proves nothing except how easily misinformation and the misconstruing of information can happen over the Net.

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Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:50 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by out2theblack:

If there were such a thing as a cute , 'smart' drunk , they'd know when to stop digging and shut up...

But , they don't...




Yeah, but nobody here ever called you cute or smart, Out2Lunch, because you're neither.

Quote:


It begs the question , " If MalFormedPerson is such a frickin' smart 'geophysicist' , what are they doing 'teaching' 17-year-olds ,
instead of having a sweet gig with an oil company doing exploration to alleviate the 'energy crisis' ?"

Awaiting an authentic , 'scientifically valid' response...



Yes, we ARE eagerly awaiting your "authentic, scientifically valid" response. I don't expect that will ever be forthcoming, though, as you have no basis in reality, much less in science.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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