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Palin is the ultra-conservatives Hillary.

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Monday, February 8, 2010 9:53 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Big surprise to some here, but I really don't like or trust Palin... I also really don't like the idea that she is becoming the face of the Tea Party movement...

People, we can do better.


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Monday, February 8, 2010 10:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"Palin is the ultra-conservatives [sic] Hillary"



Thus spake the ignorant among us...



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Monday, February 8, 2010 10:09 AM

BYTEMITE


Yup. But see, this is a major problem all libertarians face. There are people who come to you and say they're your allies, that they're against big government and taxes and that they want to recover and reinstitute the lost ideals of the constitution.

The problem is, what's really going on is they know how to tell you what you want to hear. They don't stand for anything that they're saying. But they infiltrate your ranks and undermine what you're really trying for at every turn, and people aren't paying close enough attention to question them on it. Palin is one such person.

A big group for you to scrutinize are the Republican Party. Some of them might be genuine (Ron Paul), but the others are just taking advantage of the fact that before 1960 they could be considered allies to fiscal conservatism, taking advantage of the fact that a lot of people on the right wing trust them out of tradition, and things that their parents and grandparents have told them the party stands for. But it's been taken over by neoconservatives, and you're mostly going to find people who just want more power among them, even as they loot our treasury for their friends.

The tea party itself, a lot of the money originally came from Republican Party fronts. Find your plants and infiltrators, expell them, and maybe then the movement will be a legitimate revolution. As it is now, it's only good for anyone like-minded about government to meet up, because actual revolution is being discouraged and put down. You're going to have to abandon it soon once you have your contacts in order to get anywhere.

The libertarian party itself has pretty much become a front for Republican interests. It's where they can channel money through for stuff that seems more crazy than they can allow the main party to embrace.

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Monday, February 8, 2010 10:13 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Byte,

Agreed. As I see it, the Republican Party is trying to ride the coat-tails of what the Independent, Libertarian, and Tea Parties are trying to do.



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Monday, February 8, 2010 10:14 AM

BYTEMITE


Niki: Wulf's got a point here. Both are untrustworthy snakes concerned only with their own unbridled ambition and government controlling ideology. The only difference is Palin pretends to be dumb.

You don't think it was an accident that Palin's "death panels" comment got such widespread traction? The lady knows how to play a crowd and manipulate like a master. The folksy on top is just an act. She's also completely psychopathic. Beware the enemy you underestimate.

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Monday, February 8, 2010 10:24 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"The lady knows how to play a crowd and manipulate like a master."

Yes, she does.

Hillary is an evil, soulless, dyke bitch... but Palin has the "aint I a pretty dumb, silly woman" patter down.

Both are dangerous.

I repeat... BOTH are DANGEROUS.

Neither should be ANYWHERE near power.

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Monday, February 8, 2010 10:30 AM

STORYMARK


There are similarities, sure. But I'd still put my money on Clinton if they were both on Jeopardy. Or, I dunnow.... asked to think their way out of a paper bag.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, February 8, 2010 10:48 AM

MINCINGBEAST


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
There are similarities, sure. But I'd still put my money on Clinton if they were both on Jeopardy. Or, I dunnow.... asked to think their way out of a paper bag.



This. The similarities, such as they are, don't seem nearly as significance as one overwhelming difference: Clinton is competent.

Unless, of course, Palin is actually the female Regan, in which case she would only play at being dumb to broaden her appeal and seem less menacing.

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Monday, February 8, 2010 10:52 AM

BYTEMITE


Ehm... Well, I think Palin is smart but acting dumb to broaden her appeal and appear less menacing. So she's the female Reagan, if Reagan hadn't been already struggling with Alzheimers and propped up by his administration.

Reagan was the first time the neocons ever saw power, so I'm not overly happy with what he accomplished.

I would also argue whether Hillary is in fact competent, unless Obama intended for her to keep undermining his messages to the Middle East Re: Muslims and Israel. But then I'm ALSO reasonably sure that Hillary is The Starscream/Millstone of the Obama administration, so it's not so much incompetence but no one able to restrain her as she gallops after her own agenda.

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Monday, February 8, 2010 10:54 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


"Clinton is competent."

Yeah, as a soulless monster.

How liberals love her so much, always confuses and amazes me.

Palin is JUST as dangerous... shes THAT chick. The one who is prettier than eveyrone else, plays the "silly woman" card... yet has the mind of a snake.

Again... neither should be anywhere NEAR power.


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Monday, February 8, 2010 11:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

The similarities, such as they are, don't seem nearly as significance as one overwhelming difference: Clinton is competent.


Also, in my opinion, intelligent. Palin is neither--we can argue about that all day, but her past history shows ME, at least, that she's not that bright. Or that willing to do the work!

There you go again, Wulf, lumping and howing ignorance. Nobody here that I know of "loves" Hillary, be we liberal, conservative, or anything ELSE. Few others do, as was shown by the election--COUGARS don't count, they're the other side of tea baggers. She has her uses, she's also dangerous, but she's fucking brighter and more competent than Palin!



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Monday, February 8, 2010 11:08 AM

MINCINGBEAST


Frankly, I don't understand Clinton's appeal--and I recognzie that she's been a rogue secretary of state (note the cunning Palin reference, which if truly cunning, would not need to be noted). Still, I don't think you could seriously compare resumes and think that Palin is equally accomplished. She's like Bush, minus the testes.

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Monday, February 8, 2010 11:15 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


...or Reagan, minus Nancy's hand up his ass...?



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Monday, February 8, 2010 11:17 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Ehm... Well, I think Palin is smart but acting dumb to broaden her appeal and appear less menacing.



I think she's dumb and acting dumber to broaden her appeal.

If the stupid was just coming out now, I'd agree with you. But she stepped into the spotlight with a resounding "Duh".

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Monday, February 8, 2010 11:25 AM

BYTEMITE


I'm willing to amend "smart" to "unscrupulous/treacherous."

Honestly, it's hard to tell. She could very well be dumb, but even morons can con people under the right circumstances.

The only reason I say I think she may be smart is just because I don't want to be caught unaware.

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Monday, February 8, 2010 12:41 PM

MINCINGBEAST


perhaps she is idiotic, but has a vicious, low, animal cunning. like Ricky, of Trailer Park Boys.

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Monday, February 8, 2010 1:11 PM

FREMDFIRMA


There's three kinds of foe to deal with.


The first tells you they mean to take what is yours.
They are a businessman, and easily dealt with by obtaining something of equal or greater value in exchange, or refusing to deal with them if this is not possible.


The second tells you they mean to help you, but really means to take what is yours.
They are a thief, and easily dealt with by not allowing them the opportunity, or if need be, force.


The third tells you they mean to help you, honestly BELIEVES they mean to help you, and yet still somehow winds up taking what is yours.
They are a zealot, and so dangerous they should be chased from every civilized land on the planet as quickly as possible.


Hillary is the second, Palin is the third.

-F

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Monday, February 8, 2010 2:30 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Yup. But see, this is a major problem all libertarians face. There are people who come to you and say they're your allies, that they're against big government and taxes and that they want to recover and reinstitute the lost ideals of the constitution.

The problem is, what's really going on is they know how to tell you what you want to hear. They don't stand for anything that they're saying. But they infiltrate your ranks and undermine what you're really trying for at every turn, and people aren't paying close enough attention to question them on it. Palin is one such person.

A big group for you to scrutinize are the Republican Party. Some of them might be genuine (Ron Paul), but the others are just taking advantage of the fact that before 1960 they could be considered allies to fiscal conservatism, taking advantage of the fact that a lot of people on the right wing trust them out of tradition, and things that their parents and grandparents have told them the party stands for. But it's been taken over by neoconservatives, and you're mostly going to find people who just want more power among them, even as they loot our treasury for their friends.

The tea party itself, a lot of the money originally came from Republican Party fronts. Find your plants and infiltrators, expell them, and maybe then the movement will be a legitimate revolution. As it is now, it's only good for anyone like-minded about government to meet up, because actual revolution is being discouraged and put down. You're going to have to abandon it soon once you have your contacts in order to get anywhere.

The libertarian party itself has pretty much become a front for Republican interests. It's where they can channel money through for stuff that seems more crazy than they can allow the main party to embrace.



Yup, you nailed it in one, Byte. You're going to be a very dangerous person to know one day. And I mean that as the highest form of compliment, as something I might say to Frem, but pretty much nobody else around here.

But this:

Quote:

The problem is, what's really going on is they know how to tell you what you want to hear. They don't stand for anything that they're saying. But they infiltrate your ranks and undermine what you're really trying for at every turn, and people aren't paying close enough attention to question them on it. Palin is one such person.



... begs one small comment. I'd just add: "Obama is another."

We have to watch for them on BOTH sides of the aisle. And the problem is, when you get someone with REAL ideas and plans that could actually make a difference and that person starts getting traction, the party machines will co-opt the message and paste it on one of THEIR pretty faces, just to get you (or me, or any of us) to notice them and forget about the other guy.

And it seems to work every single time.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Monday, February 8, 2010 2:48 PM

BYTEMITE


Oh yeah, Kwicko, sure. Hillary is another, if we're going to be topical on this thread, actually most of the Democratic party is this way. But I figured one thing at a time, start at home. Which for Wulf is the tea party movement.

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Monday, February 8, 2010 3:29 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Oh, I just wanted to make sure the righties around here didn't think we were ONLY bashing the Republicans.

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Monday, February 8, 2010 4:49 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Lord Byron was prolly the first confirmable Dark Spark, and his lady summed it up best.

"Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know!"

-F

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Monday, February 8, 2010 5:22 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Lord Byron was prolly the first confirmable Dark Spark, and his lady summed it up best.

"Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know!"

-F




I always thought that was just the greatest motto a guy could have.

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Monday, February 8, 2010 5:35 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
There's three kinds of foe to deal with.


The first tells you they mean to take what is yours.
They are a businessman, and easily dealt with by obtaining something of equal or greater value in exchange, or refusing to deal with them if this is not possible.


The second tells you they mean to help you, but really means to take what is yours.
They are a thief, and easily dealt with by not allowing them the opportunity, or if need be, force.


The third tells you they mean to help you, honestly BELIEVES they mean to help you, and yet still somehow winds up taking what is yours.
They are a zealot, and so dangerous they should be chased from every civilized land on the planet as quickly as possible.


Hillary is the second, Palin is the third.

-F

This says it all. Period.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, February 8, 2010 7:48 PM

ANTIMASON


i personally dont trust the republicans either. on domestic fiscal policy, they seem to be gaining their footing.. but until they address the Fed(which IS evil), and our currently interventionist foreign policy, i fear they will fracture the tea party movement, and only serve to undermine their legitimacy as the 'constitutional' party

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Monday, February 8, 2010 8:10 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by antimason:
i personally dont trust the republicans either. on domestic fiscal policy, they seem to be gaining their footing.. but until they address the Fed(which IS evil), and our currently interventionist foreign policy, i fear they will fracture the tea party movement, and only serve to undermine their legitimacy as the 'constitutional' party




BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...


That's hilarious! "Gaining their footing" on domestic fiscal policy? REALLY?! Our "CURRENT interventionist foreign policy"? SERIOUSLY?!

Were you in a coma for the last eight years, or were you just high? You obviously haven't been living on the same planet as the rest of us, where the "conservatives" spent us damn near into insolvency chasing after their idiotic foreign wars.

And all that "gaining their footing" crap is just TOO funny.

Can you list for me all the Republican representatives, senators, and governors who have turned down the money from the stimulus package? Anyone? Bill Nelson of Florida came out firmly AGAINST cutting back on the manned Moon mission, because he fears losing that money would hurt his state; he doesn't give a fuck about the country or fiscal responsibility; he's just worried that if he doesn't put his piggy little nose in the trough, his state might not get as much as someone else. "Country First", indeed!

And then there's good ol' Mark "Hikin' the Old Appalachian Trail" Sanford, who compared the stimulus to child abuse - and then decided last week that yes, he WOULD like $325 million in stimulus money for his state. Guess he's wanting to jet off to score some more strange... Funny that he endorses child abuse in the process, though. Odd dude, that one.

The Republicans at this point aren't capable of pouring piss out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the sole. And the tea-baggers are too busy ratfucking themselves to be any kind of threat to anyone but the Republicans.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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Monday, February 8, 2010 9:06 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




Palin's Palmprompter: How Sarah sneakily consulted her notes during her $100,000 appearance at Tea Party rally
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1249150/Sarah-Palin-
America-ready-revolution-tells-Tea-Party-activists.html


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:

Big surprise to some here, but I really don't like or trust Palin... I also really don't like the idea that she is becoming the face of the Tea Party movement...



Her job for the NWO is hijacking Ron Paul's Tea Party, for which she's paid $100,000 per pep rally.


Tea Party topics censored by Palin, Hannity & Beck

She's wearing a wedding band when she's practically divorced, to fool the fools.




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http://www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/


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Monday, February 8, 2010 9:51 PM

ANTIMASON


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...


That's hilarious! "Gaining their footing" on domestic fiscal policy? REALLY?! Our "CURRENT interventionist foreign policy"? SERIOUSLY?!



yes, republicans traditionally have been elected to get us out of wars that were (coincidentally)started by democrats(Korea/Veitnam/Bosnia).

im not a partisan apologist, but the house and senate republicans had enough sense to vote against the 1 trillion dollar stimulus, the freedom killing cap-and-trade bill, and the democrats monstrous Federal budget. the republicans spending was miniscule by comparison

Quote:

Were you in a coma for the last eight years, or were you just high? You obviously haven't been living on the same planet as the rest of us, where the "conservatives" spent us damn near into insolvency chasing after their idiotic foreign wars.


where have you been? you do know Obama is perpetuating the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan? hes not getting out, they are bombing pakistan right now, theyre antagonizing Iran!

and wheres the anti-war left??? gone without a trace. its only acceptable when a democrat instigates a war i guess?

Quote:

And all that "gaining their footing" crap is just TOO funny.


if Obamas spending freeze, after having locked in a budget more then doubling Bushs, is fiscally responsible, then i MUST be crazy

Quote:

And then there's good ol' Mark "Hikin' the Old Appalachian Trail" Sanford, who compared the stimulus to child abuse - and then decided last week that yes, he WOULD like $325 million in stimulus money for his state. Guess he's wanting to jet off to score some more strange... Funny that he endorses child abuse in the process, though. Odd dude, that one.


why are you FOR the stimulus then? youre acknowledging theyre merely political rewards, and pet projects. to some credit of their own, the republicans actually voted agains stealing the peoples money to begin with! but otherwise, the state has an obligation to appropriate the funds, thats the purpose of it, isnt that oyour arguement for government stimulus? otherwise the federal government gets it(to waste), and constituents are left paying the taxes, without seeing any local returns.

Quote:

The Republicans at this point aren't capable of pouring piss out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the sole. And the tea-baggers are too busy ratfucking themselves to be any kind of threat to anyone but the Republicans.



Obama and the democrats are continuing the Bush policy on servelience, and renewed the Patriot Act!

Obama and the democrats are still in Iraq, and invading Afhganistan, and provoking Pakistan(while sanctioning Iran)!

Obama, the democrats, and the Federal Reserve, are perpetuating the same mistakes and malinvestments that caused this recession, and are DOUBLING DOWN!

so nothings changed, the democrats are no better.. and all this slander about 'tea-bagging', all we want is the US constitution, the LAW OF THE LAND, to be upheld. are you telling me that you really stand opposed to that?



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Monday, February 8, 2010 10:11 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


anti mason makes points about the dems being as bad as the repubs, always have been...

Bush1 Bush2 Clinton Obama .... who cares all are criminals

But the tag baggers are making Palin their queen

that makes them as bad at least, maybe worse. Do you question their motives... or their judgment ?







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Monday, February 8, 2010 10:29 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Can't resist



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Tuesday, February 9, 2010 6:48 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I don’t believe Palin is your third kind of person, Frem...she’s already proven she’s out for Sarah in everything she’s ever done. I don’t buy that she’s a zealot, only sounds like one for her own purposes.

And Mike, I don’t see Obama as you do. I think he’s for real, only too weak and naïve to do what he knows is best...too busy compromising, which yeah, is necessary in politics, but too much compromise is a dead end with the “party of no”! And “everything you said about the Republicans/right”. Whatever Obama gets blamed for, in the most part, Bush started rolling happily down the hill.

Tho’ it’s going to bring the house down on me no doubt, I, for one, think the stimulus was necessary and IS working. Not well, it’s not the whole answer, flawed, etc., but I believe it’s working. Go ahead, bash me over the head...

By the way, I hear the tea baggers are going after Ron Paul, the originator of "tea party". They sure know how to cut off their nose to spite their face, don't they?




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Tuesday, February 9, 2010 7:59 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

"Not one dime of income taxes goes to support any federal program."
-President Ronald Reagan, right before George Bushes' CIA cousin John Hinkley Jr shot him (released from loonybin by George Bush Jr and Hussein Obama Soetoro)
youtube.com/watch?v=9nbMqQo4AYY

“There is no patriotic duty to pay taxes.”
-Commissioner of Internal Revenue Service v Newman 159 F2d 848,850 (1947)

Jury says US citizens don't have to pay income tax:
www.freedomtofascism.com



If there's a Revolution, Palin will get burned at the stake.

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Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:45 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Whatever you think of Sarah Palin is fine. What many fail to comprehend is that the more the Left demonizes, mocks, and ridicules her, the more powerful she gets. Yesterday, while President Obama was speaking about the need for bi-partisanship and cooperation with Repubs, his Press Secretary Gibbs was out there mocking her. You think that is going to turn any of her supporters away from her? Not likely! Her approval numbers by likely voters is now higher than Obama's, and the Tea Party's favorability is way above either Dem or Repub. So if the Letterman/Olbermann/Mahr/Gibbs approach is your cup of tea (no pun intended) go knock yourself out and have a good guffaw. Meanwhile, middle America and Independents are seeing things a bit differently.

Her performance at the Tea Party Convention was another matter. I feel she hurt herself in a big way. For starters, having Tom Tancredo as an opening speaker was just a real bad idea. That fellow is a borderline racist/fascist lunatic. I support almost nothing he says, and it marginalizes everyone associated with him and that speech. Palin's speech was mean-spirited as well. She attacked Obama...gee, how bold, how brave, how utterly predictable and absurd. She should have kept things positive by laying out some talking points for the movement, some basic principles of their "party", but instead she chose the low road to trash Obama. That type of stategy, after only one year of his Presidency, is extremely foolish in my opinion. Now is not the time to alienate anyone, and the country does not need or want Sarah Palin to be Obama's chief critic. Journalists and well-spoken people already have that job.


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Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:08 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

yes, republicans traditionally have been elected to get us out of wars that were (coincidentally)started by democrats(Korea/Veitnam/Bosnia).


You do not appear to be aware of something called the "neo-con agenda" of "spreading democracy" and "containment." Actually, spreading democracy at the time was limited to preventing communism from taking hold in developing states (containment) and a direct consequence of The Red Scare. You'll find that the reasons for going to war with Vietnam and Korea are consistent with a neo-con agenda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

Both Democrats with normally liberal domestic policy and Republicans with pro-corporate domestic policy have shown that they generally adhere to a neo-conservative agenda. Neoconservatives have been known as other names in the past, my favourites are "imperialists" and "authoritarians." Neoconservatism is just the American version of "the ruling elite" mentality, wherein a prominent imperial super power convinces its citizens that its Empire needs to spread to "civilize" or "convert" other parts of the world. Compare to the Greeks, The Romans, The Holy Roman Empire, and the British Empire. Of course, what usually ends up happening is the ruling class of the country/empire in question just uses the appearance of benevolence to start exploiting both domestic and foreign resources for their own gain, much to the detriment of all populations subject to them.

I think you'll find that many people who identify as Democrats are very displeased with the PATRIOT ACT, government surveillance, the wars, and the stimulus package. But there's not much they can do, because the Democratic party (and the Republican party) have been hijacked by crooks. Hence skyrocketing national deficit and all the pet projects. And the Wars, which eat up the largest chunk of that debt, and which our modus operandi appears to be "throw money at it."

Quote:

and all this slander about 'tea-bagging', all we want is the US constitution, the LAW OF THE LAND, to be upheld. are you telling me that you really stand opposed to that?


I haven't once insulted the individuals making up the tea party. I think they are unfortunately being mislead, however, and manipulated.

However, except for the Bill of Rights, I'm generally opposed to the constitution and the "law of the land." Mostly because the law of the land has become a vast bureaucracy that doesn't have the interests of the people at heart, and because the constitution merely props the bureaucracy and elite ruling class up. It has ever since the Founding Fathers, the Federalists, and the creation of the Electoral College. Our representatives are NOT our representatives. As such, I find the constitution to be flawed.

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