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Tuesday, February 9, 2010 7:14 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

It's still happening there, in fact it's barely begun, so if anyone else has stories or is interested, here's a thread to start discussing it.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/02/09/ac.haiti.struggli
ng.cnn?iref=allsearch

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Tuesday, February 9, 2010 8:25 AM

FIVVER

Here's a link to an organization founded by our pastor and supported by our and several other churches. We have been active in the city of Jacmal for years and are concentrating our relief efforts there.

This week we're concentrating on getting a shipment of vaccines and antibiotics to Team Ange.

http://www.hopeinhaiti.org/

Click on the earthquake box for updates from that area. There are a couple of letters from our pastor at the top and under that are more current reports.

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Tuesday, February 9, 2010 8:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Good on you and your folks, Fivver; it's always heartening to hear of those still working there. I hear donations have dropped off a lot among the general public; not surprising, given time has passed, but there's SO much to do, I hope we don't forget too soon and that organizations such as yours hang in there!

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Tuesday, February 9, 2010 9:55 AM

FREMDFIRMA

I have a couple, but they're less nice - I been biting my tongue, hoping otherwise, but...

The American Corporate Vultures are already circling.

The U.S. is reviving what Haitians call "the plan of death."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24613.htm

Battle Begins Over Who'll Get Lucrative Haiti Cleanup Contracts
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/02/09-5

*shakes head*
Nothin we could do about it, don't have the resources or contacts, but passing this info on to folks maybe capable of poison-pilling these deals would be helpful.

-F

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Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:50 PM

FREMDFIRMA

I been holding comment on the whole issue of the Haitain children being taken out of the country by a bunch of Baptist missionaries cause I didn't want to start flaming a bunch of folk who may have simply been well-meaning dolts...

And then a name on our "list" pops up.
Jorge Anibal Torres Puello.

Not nice dude, positively linked to at least one freak feeder system, his wife was in fact convicted, and he's still wanted as a suspect - and suspected of involvement in a couple more, and that's just out of our files, haven't checked with Jackie (Miss De Croy) yet to see what she has on him.

Apparently there's some suspicion in relation to Laura Silsby's intentions as well, given her outstanding financial obligations and involvement with this goon and his associates.

More when I know more, but some serious bad juju comin offa this one.

Kidnapping of Haitian children was no act of charity
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/08/AR2010
020802729.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Adoption `lawyer' tied to child sex case
http://www.miamiherald.com/582/story/1479538.html

-F

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Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Still?

Man, that was like a whole month ago or something.

( ok, in all seriousness )

With the extensive damage involved, the horrific death count, as well as the tragic injuries, continued aid will be needed for months and years.

Getting the basic utilities ( or what passes for such in Haiti, will be a monumental task. And all the while , a huge population needs shelter, food, and basic economic activity.

Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

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Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:20 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Still?

Man, that was like a whole month ago or something.

( ok, in all seriousness )

With the extensive damage involved, the horrific death count, as well as the tragic injuries, continued aid will be needed for months and years.

Getting the basic utilities ( or what passes for such in Haiti, will be a monumental task. And all the while , a huge population needs shelter, food, and basic economic activity.

Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

Hell, look at New Orleans

maybe let Cuba take Haiti over, at least it would be better organized chaos...

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

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Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:46 PM

AGENTROUKA

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I been holding comment on the whole issue of the Haitain children being taken out of the country by a bunch of Baptist missionaries cause I didn't want to start flaming a bunch of folk who may have simply been well-meaning dolts...

And then a name on our "list" pops up.
Jorge Anibal Torres Puello.

Not nice dude, positively linked to at least one freak feeder system, his wife was in fact convicted, and he's still wanted as a suspect - and suspected of involvement in a couple more, and that's just out of our files, haven't checked with Jackie (Miss De Croy) yet to see what she has on him.

Apparently there's some suspicion in relation to Laura Silsby's intentions as well, given her outstanding financial obligations and involvement with this goon and his associates.

More when I know more, but some serious bad juju comin offa this one.

Kidnapping of Haitian children was no act of charity
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/08/AR2010
020802729.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Adoption `lawyer' tied to child sex case
http://www.miamiherald.com/582/story/1479538.html

-F

Oh holy crap.

I hadn't even considered this before, my sheltered brain being slow on the move and all. But all these children would be so very vulnerable to predators, within and without. Especially since Haiti already has a history of child trafficing and such. Ugh.

How closely are these things being watched??

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Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:55 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
How closely are these things being watched??

Sadly, for the most part - they ain't.

There's a few organizations that try, but they have jack for funding and no real authority, as well as often winding up on the pissed off list of well connected folks who profit from this trade, which is a more serious problem in the EU than here since it's a lot harder to hide in our society and there's quite a few folks who will play rough on that kind of thing if they have to.

Best bet if you wanna stick an oar in those waters is ECPAT, which came to prominence on the Don't-buy-Thai boycott in response to Thailand's government being an active and intentional participant in the trafficking.
http://www.vachss.com/mission/dbt_update.html

http://www.ecpat.net/EI/index.asp

We had a couple sweepers from various orgs following up during the super bowl down in Florida as well.
http://www.miamiherald.com/459/story/1463592.html

And if you have a really strong stomach, and are willing to risk your neck, you could talk to Jackie.
(WARNING: Jackie doesn't sugar coat it, and facing this issue as head on as that can have serious psychological consequences, as well as legal ones since Morkhoven and it's affiliates are despised by most governments including their own.)
http://www.fondation.princessedecroy.droitfondamental.eu/
Page is in French, and can be auto translated by babelfish.

Now, if you want a *specific* kid back, that depends a lot on who took em, and discretely contacting folks who are willing to take it that far, which no longer include me cause I ain't physically up to it no more - but if you're lucky enough to have a trail to work with, most rings will let it go, since one "product" doesn't make any damned difference to em and anyone who's taken it far enough to get into such a 'negotiation' isn't gonna be able to go to the law about it anyways.

As a whole though, no one much cares enough to bother, and the pressure that can be applied across international borders is very limited.

-F

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Monday, February 15, 2010 12:42 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Hell, look at New Orleans

maybe let Cuba take Haiti over, at least it would be better organized chaos...

What did New Oleans have.... 1,200 fatalities ? vs some 250,000 in Haiti ?

And why the 9th Ward might be on par w/ the areas around Port au Prince, the heart of the city of New Orleans actually faired quite well. The entire Gulf region is likely a more accurate comparison.

Cuba can barely feed its own population. They're in no position to take Haiti over, even under the best circumstances.

Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

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Monday, February 15, 2010 8:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

As to Laura Silsby's intentions, I think you're right on target, Frem. Putting together all I've heard and read, I'm getting the feeling her money-making ventures crashed and getting "donations" sounded like a good idea; so gather up a bunch of orphans, even non-orphans, just kids, everyone loves kids. Then get 'em to a building, make it an orphanage, and watch the money roll in. Just a guess.

Yes, I anticipated all you wrote, it's pretty inevitable given our "foreign policy" and willingness to take advantage of crises. No surprise there, except that it's not getting coverage--which I guess is no surprise either...sigh...

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Monday, February 15, 2010 11:30 AM

GINOBIFFARONI

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Hell, look at New Orleans

maybe let Cuba take Haiti over, at least it would be better organized chaos...

What did New Oleans have.... 1,200 fatalities ? vs some 250,000 in Haiti ?

And why the 9th Ward might be on par w/ the areas around Port au Prince, the heart of the city of New Orleans actually faired quite well. The entire Gulf region is likely a more accurate comparison.

Cuba can barely feed its own population. They're in no position to take Haiti over, even under the best circumstances.

Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

Sorry Rappy, wrong again

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2010/01/201013195514870782.html

Cuba's aid ignored by the media?
By Tom Fawthrop in Havana

After the quake struck, Haiti's first medical aid came from Cuba [GALLO/GETTY]

Among the many donor nations helping Haiti, Cuba and its medical teams have played a major role in treating earthquake victims.

Public health experts say the Cubans were the first to set up medical facilities among the debris and to revamp hospitals immediately after the earthquake struck.

However, their pivotal work in the health sector has received scant media coverage.

special report
Special Report: Haiti earthquake
"It is striking that there has been virtually no mention in the media of the fact that Cuba had several hundred health personnel on the ground before any other country," said David Sanders, a professor of public health from Western Cape University in South Africa.

The Cuban team coordinator in Haiti, Dr Carlos Alberto Garcia, says the Cuban doctors, nurses and other health personnel have been working non-stop, day and night, with operating rooms open 18 hours a day.

During a visit to La Paz hospital in the Haitian capital Port-au-Prince, Dr Mirta Roses, the director of the Pan American Health Organisation (PAHO) which is in charge of medical coordination between the Cuban doctors, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) and a host of health sector NGOs, described the aid provided by Cuban doctors as "excellent and marvellous".

La Paz is one of five hospitals in Haiti that is largely staffed by health professionals from Havana.

History of cooperation

Global medical teams raced to provide urgent aid to Haiti after the earthquake [GETTY]
Haiti and Cuba signed a medical cooperation agreement in 1998.

Before the earthquake struck, 344 Cuban health professionals were already present in Haiti, providing primary care and obstetrical services as well as operating to restore the sight of Haitians blinded by eye diseases.

More doctors were flown in shortly after the earthquake, as part of the rapid response Henry Reeve Medical Brigade of disaster specialists. The brigade has extensive experience in dealing with the aftermath of earthquakes, having responded to such disasters in China, Indonesia and Pakistan.

"In the case of Cuban doctors, they are rapid responders to disasters, because disaster management is an integral part of their training," explains Maria a Hamlin Zúniga, a public health specialist from Nicaragua.

"They are fully aware of the need to reduce risks by having people prepared to act in any disaster situation."

Cuban doctors have been organising medical facilities in three revamped and five field hospitals, five diagnostic centres, with a total of 22 different care posts aided by financial support from Venezuela. They are also operating nine rehabilitation centres staffed by nearly 70 Cuban physical therapists and rehab specialists, in addition to the Haitian medical personnel.

The Cuban team has been assisted by 100 specialists from Venezuela, Chile, Spain, Mexico, Colombia and Canada and 17 nuns.

Havana has also sent 400,000 tetanus vaccines for the wounded.

Eduardo Nuñez Valdes, a Cuban epidemiologist who is currently in Port-au-Prince, has stressed that the current unsanitary conditions could lead to an epidemic of parasitic and infectious diseases if not acted upon quickly.

Media silence

However, in reporting on the international aid effort, Western media have generally not ranked Cuba high on the list of donor nations.

One major international news agency's list of donor nations credited Cuba with sending over 30 doctors to Haiti, whereas the real figure stands at more than 350, including 280 young Haitian doctors who graduated from Cuba. The final figure accounts for a combined total of 930 health professionals in all Cuban medical teams making it the largest medical contingent on the ground.

Another batch if 200 Cuban-trained doctors from 24 countries in Africa and Latin American, and a dozen American doctors who graduated from Havana are currently en route to Haiti and will provide reinforcement to existing Cuban medical teams.

By comparison the internationally-renowned Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF or Doctors without Borders) has approximately 269 health professionals working in Haiti. MSF is much better funded and has far more extensive medical supplies than the Cuban team.

Left out

But while representatives from MSF and the ICRC are frequently in front of television cameras discussing health priorities and medical needs, the Cuban medical teams are missing in the media coverage.

Richard Gott, the Guardian newspaper's former foreign editor and a Latin America specialist, explains: "Western media are programmed to be indifferent to aid that comes from unexpected places. In the Haitian case, the media have ignored not just the Cuban contribution, but also the efforts made by other Latin American countries."

Brazil is providing $70mn in funding for 10 urgent care units, 50 mobile units for emergency care, a laboratory and a hospital, among other health services.

Venezuela has cancelled all Haiti debt and has promised to supply oil free of charge until the country has recovered from the disaster.

Western NGOs employ media officers to ensure that the world knows what they are doing.

According to Gott, the Western media has grown accustomed to dealing with such NGOs, enabling a relationship of mutual assistance to develop.

Cuban medical teams, however, are outside this predominantly Western humanitarian-media loop and are therefore only likely to receive attention from Latin American media and Spanish language broadcasters and print media.

There have, however, been notable exceptions to this reporting syndrome. On January 19, a CNN reporter broke the silence on the Cuban role in Haiti with a report on Cuban doctors at La Paz hospital.

Cuba/US cooperation

When the US requested that their military plans be allowed to fly through Cuban airspace for the purpose of evacuating Haitians to hospitals in Florida, Cuba immediately agreed despite almost 50 years of animosity between the two countries.

Cuban doctors received global praise for their humanitarian aid in Indonesia [Tom Fawthrop]
Josefina Vidal, the director of the Cuban foreign ministry's North America department, issued a statement declaring that: "Cuba is ready to cooperate with all the nations on the ground, including the US, to help the Haitian people and save more lives."

This deal cut the flight time of medical evacuation flights from the US naval base at Guantanamo Bay on Cuba's southern tip to Miami by 90 minutes.

According to Darby Holladay, the US state department's spokesperson, the US has also communicated its readiness to make medical relief supplies available to Cuban doctors in Haiti.

"Potential US-Cuban cooperation could go a long way toward meeting Haiti's needs," says Dr Julie Feinsilver, the author of Healing the Masses - a book about Cuban health diplomacy, who argues that maximum cooperation is urgently needed.

Rich in human resources

Although Cuba is a poor developing country, their wealth of human resources - doctors, engineers and disaster management experts - has enabled this small Caribbean nation to play a global role in health care and humanitarian aid alongside the far richer nations of the west.

Cuban medical teams played a key role in the wake of the Indian Ocean Tsunami and provided the largest contingent of doctors after the 2005 Pakistan earthquake. They also stayed the longest among international medical teams treating the victims of the 2006 Indonesian earthquake.

In the Pakistan relief operation the US and Europe dispatched medical teams. Each had a base camp with most doctors deployed for a month. The Cubans, however, deployed seven major base camps, operated 32 field hospitals and stayed for six months.

Bruno Rodriguez, who is now Cuba's foreign minister, headed the mission - living in the mountains of Pakistan for more than six months.

Just after the Indonesian earthquake a year later, I met with Indonesia's then regional health co-coordinator, Dr Ronny Rockito.

Cuba had sent 135 health workers and two field hospitals. Rockito said that while the medical teams from other countries departed after just one month, he asked the Cuban medical team to extend their stay.

"I appreciate the Cuban medical team. Their style is very friendly. Their medical standard is very high," he told me.

"The Cuban [field] hospitals are fully complete and it's free, with no financial support from our government."

Rockito says he never expected to see Cuban doctors coming to his country's rescue.

"We felt very surprised about doctors coming from a poor country, a country so far away that we know little about.

"We can learn from the Cuban health system. They are very fast to handle injuries and fractures. They x-ray, then they operate straight away."

A 'new dawn'?

The Montreal summit, the first gathering of 20 donor nations, agreed to hold a major conference on Haiti's future at the United Nations in March.

Some analysts see Haiti's rehabilitation as a potential opportunity for the US and Cuba to bypass their ideological differences and combine their resources - the US has the logistics while Cuba has the human resources - to help Haiti.

Feinsilver is convinced that "Cuba should be given a seat at the table with all other nations and multilateral organisations and agencies in any and all meetings to discuss, plan and coordinate aid efforts for Haiti's reconstruction".

"This would be in recognition of Cuba's long-standing policy and practise of medical diplomacy, as well as its general development aid to Haiti," she says.

But, will Haiti offer the US administration, which has Cuba on its list of nations that allegedly "support terrorism", a "new dawn" in its relations with Cuba?

In late January, Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, thanked Cuba for its efforts in Haiti and welcomed further assistance and co-operation.

In Haiti's grand reconstruction plan, Feinsilver argues, "there can be no imposition of systems from any country, agency or institution. The Haitian people themselves, through what remains of their government and NGOs, must provide the policy direction, and Cuba has been and should continue to be a key player in the health sector in Haiti"

Cuban reaction time and organization beats FEMAs performance in New Orleans all to hell

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

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Monday, February 15, 2010 11:34 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

How was I in any way " wrong " ?

Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

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Monday, February 15, 2010 11:41 AM

GINOBIFFARONI

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
How was I in any way " wrong " ?

Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

I said after the mess the US made with the New Orleans relief efforts maybe Cuba should take over the Haiti relief effort

you said " Cuba can barely feed its own population. They're in no position to take Haiti over, even under the best circumstances "

I posted that they actually are running most of the medical effort as it is, ignored largely by the US media... ( with cite attached )

therefore your statement is wrong

in addition, I wonder if Cuba wouldn't be in better shape if the US wasn't so hostile and angry over their picked thug being ran out years ago... get over it already

Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists

Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"

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Saturday, July 10, 2021 4:20 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

17 Colombian Ex-soldiers Suspected In Haiti President Jovenel Moise's Assassination
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/17-col
ombian-ex-soldiers-suspected-in-haiti-president-jovenel-moises-assassination.html

Haiti president Jovenel Moise was assassinated by hit squad from Colombia and the US, police say
Jovenel Moise was reportedly assassinated by a heavily armed hit squad of 26 Colombians and two Haitian Americans

Police in Haiti said the assassination was carried out by a commando unit of 26 Colombian and 2 Haitian-American mercenaries.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8017337/us-colombia-agents-investigate-hait
i-president/

US, Colombia sending agents to Haiti to help probe President’s killing
https://guyanachronicle.com/2021/07/10/us-colombia-sending-agents-to-h
aiti-to-help-probe-presidents-killing/

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Sunday, June 2, 2024 6:57 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

whipping hoaxes

Biden and the voodoo criminal Haitians

Joe Biden makes blunder as he says US will help Kenya tackle Haiti crisis
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/joe-biden-makes-blunder-says-328
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