Cheney crawls out from under his rock...again... by Niki2

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Cook? Really?

haha.. oh man. correcting my spelling errors just never gets old, does it Kwicky?

Hell, the Spelling Fairy would have a full-time job trying to keep up with your mangled language. "Conspiracy Cook" just struck me as funny.

By the way, I don't recall correcting your spelling a whole bunch in the past. What other usernames do you post under?

Is that you, John Wayne? Is this me?

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Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:17 AM

It's very wrong for Cheney to be doing this. I don't know what verse he lives in, but in the world I live in, former VP's, only a year out of office, keep their stupid mouths shut. He shows contempt and blatant disrespect to the Office of The President. There is a line that should never be crossed, and Cheney has gone way over. Al Gore did not attack Bush and his policies in year one. Neither did Bill Clinton. Gore waited for many years to do that. So has every other former VP. It's called class. It's called respect and dignity. Cheney's appearances on these shows is pure bullshit. A case can be made over the wisdom of civilian trials for terrorists, but there is no case to be made about Obama being weak on terrorism. He in fact is pursuing terrorists with more vigor than Bush ever did, and the highly successful drone program proves it. Cheney only further damages the Republican brand when he presents himself as some kind of choice...he aint. His opinions are moot at this point. Even Bush had to rein in Cheney's Torquemada tendencies to a large degree. He's out of politics, and he should stay out. How he retains any credibility or popularity is a real mystery to me. And these Sunday morning political attacks on the Adminstration are just beyond the pale of good taste and judgement. And they go beyond fairness as well. He confuses Americans by trying to frighten us in an irrational manner by trying to undermine the President.

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Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:53 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Thanx, Mike, that explains it. I THOUGHT it was more gurgly than just the water in the creek!

Oh, yeah, Frem! Do you know any witches or warlocks we can bribe to resurrect him?? 'Course, he wouldn't look too good by now, but surely we can fix that! How I wish...

Gino, I LOVE the graphic! Ahhh, the internet... but I like Conspiracy Cook too, come to think of it. After all, how many conspiracies do people "cook" up, huh?

You go, JS!!! Let it all out, kiddo, good on you! I can't help but agree with every word, and thank you for saving me the typing of it.

I heard an old Stephen Wright (anyone remember him?) one-liner that would explain how I'd feel if I were popped into Darth's 'verse: "Like I'm parallel parked in a diagonal universe"!

Darth & Dumbya, weren't they a pair, tho'? Or should I say Darth, Dumbya & Turd Blossom? Another bumpersticker I love: "Someday we'll look back on all this and..laugh embarrassedly and change the subject." Ay-yup!

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Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:27 AM

Conservative newspaper “The Washington Times” on Monday reported that after the underwear bomber was read his Miranda rights, he cooperated with U.S. authorities to such an extent that “U.S. and allied counterterrorism authorities have launched a global manhunt for English-speaking terrorists trained in Yemen who are planning attacks on the United States.” This manhunt is under way due to information that the underwear bomber “revealed during recent cooperation with the FBI that he met with other English speakers at a terrorist training camp in Yemen.”
What did the FBI interrogators do to earn the scorn and insult they‘re receiving now from conservative politicians? The underwear bomber‘s interrogation has turned out to yield a lot of useful information, but Republicans are still trying desperately to blame the Obama administration for somehow doing this wrong.

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DICK CHENEY, FORMER U.S. VICE PRESIDENT:
I do see, repeatedly, examples that there are key members in the administration, like Eric Holder, for example, the attorney general, who still insists on thinking of terror attacks against the United States as criminal acts as opposed to acts of war.
JONATHAN KARL, ABC NEWS:
So, you mentioned Eric Holder, the treatment of the Christmas Day underwear bomber. How do you think that case should have been dealt with?
CHENEY: I think the proper way to deal with it would have been to treat him as an enemy combatant. I think that was the right way to go.

Of course, that isn‘t at all the way that things DID go when you were vice president of the United States and making decisions about these things, Dick.

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KARL: So, was it a mistake when your administration took on the Richard Reid case? This is very similar and this was somebody that was trying to blow up an airliner with a shoe bomb. And he was, within five minutes of getting taken off that plane, read his Miranda rights, four times, in fact, in 48 hours, and tried through the civilian system. Was that a mistake?
CHENEY: Well, we could have put him into military custody. I don‘t question that.

You could have put him into military custody, but you did not. You could have and you didn‘t.
The Republican effort to attack President Obama on the basis of the underpants bomber, unlike the underpants bomb itself, appears to be blowing up. Say what you will about Dick Cheney, he‘s generally pretty skilled at making political attacks out of national security issues, but this time, on this one, he is all tied up in knots.
The attempted Republican talking point on the underpants bomber is that it‘s an outrage that this would-be bomber was read his Miranda rights and treated as a criminal:

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SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: And is reading Miranda rights to terrorists any way to fight a war?
SEN. ORRIN HATCH (R), UTAH: Some of us have been so upset about it that they immunized him with the Miranda rule.
RUDY GIULIANI (R), FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: You do not—you do not go in and interrupt it with Miranda warnings.
REP. PETER KING (R), NEW YORK: We don‘t have to give Miranda warnings up-front.
SEN. KIT BOND (R), MISSOURI: Mirandizing a terrorist like Abdulmutallab is absolutely ridiculous.
I don‘t know what purpose there was in mirandizing him.
SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL (R), KENTUCKY, MINORITY LEADER: The administration seems to have lost sight of this essential requirement for national security out of a preoccupation, a preoccupation, with reading the Christmas Day bomber his Miranda rights.
REP. MICHELE BACHMANN (R), MINNESOTA: He should not have been given his Miranda warnings. This should not have been a mirandized situation. You don‘t mirandize!

You know the shoe bomber, Richard Reid, who also failed when he ALSO tried to detonate PETN when he was ALSO aboard a U.S.-bound airliner after ALSO being trained and directed by al Qaeda, Richard Reid was ALSO arrested in the U.S. as a civilian criminal. And he was ALSO read his Miranda rights. Four times.
And what was wrong with that? Well, certainly no one complained at the time. Richard Reid was arrested, interrogated, charged as a criminal and now he‘s in prison. He was treated exactly the way the underwear bomber was treated. He was mirandized.
Same goes for Zacarias Moussaoui, the only person convicted of participation in the 9/11 plot. He was arrested, interrogated, charged as a criminal, and now he‘s in prison. He was treated exactly the way the underwear bomber was treated. He was mirandized.
If anyone sees anything wrong with the treatment of Captain Underwear, who didn‘t see anything wrong with the treatment of the shoe bomber or of Zacarias Moussaoui or with the scores of other terrorism suspects we‘ve treated the same way, the only salient difference between the cases is that now Barack Obama is president. So, there must be something wrong.
Every single person arrested in this country since 9/11 on terrorism charges, or even terrorism-related charges - every single one has been handled as a civilian criminal. Every single one. And of the years that have elapsed since 9/11 - let‘s see, ‘02, ‘03, ‘04, ‘05, ‘06, ‘07, ‘08, and ’09 - in all but one of those years, Dick Cheney was the vice president of the United States. And in all of those years, terror suspects were treated as criminals and mirandized.

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CHENEY: I think the proper way to deal with it would have been to treat him as an enemy combatant.

That would be a lot more convincing if you‘d ever done that yourself when you had the chance. Every single person arrested in this country since 9/11 on terrorism charges has been handled as a civilian criminal, which includes being mirandized. The only two outliers are Jose Padilla and Ali al-Marri, both of whom were in military custody for a while, during which time they DIDN’T cooperate with their interrogators. And then they were handled in the federal criminal system, treated as civilian criminals.
The underwear bomber is being treated exactly the way that terrorism suspects arrested in the U.S. were treated during the Bush administration - arrested, interrogated, charged as a criminal, and yes, that process includes being mirandized. The Bush administration did it HUNDREDS of times and the current administration has continued doing it. Only now, conservatives would have you believe that what they did all those years was a huge mistake, or that they didn’t do any such thing.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:44 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yeah, Mike, I got a kick out of that one! It's a pretty pathetic effort, given the facts are out there to prove how many were tried, how many are in jail, etc. Darth doesn't give a shit what he says anymore; the ignorant on the right eat it up, I think everyone else knows better by now, given the publicity it's had.

Truly ridiculous...desperate much y'think?

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Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:07 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
It's very wrong for Cheney to be doing this. I don't know what verse he lives in, but in the world I live in, former VP's, only a year out of office, keep their stupid mouths shut.

That tradition is generally intended for Presidents, not VP's. President Carter, to be accurate, broke that tradition, multiple times, with his asinine remarks about Bush. Then VP Gore did it himself, on several occasions, taking shots at Bush as well. What Cheney has done is regretful not because he's spoken out, but because the CURRENT office holders have chosen to blatantly and wrongly attack Bush and Cheney for all their problems. Cheney is defending his name, and his record, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with him doing so. Cheney has shown boat loads more class and dignity than Obama and Biden could ever hope to imagine. What Biden is doing goes beyond the pale,as so often is the case. Worst VP ever. Biden makes Dan Quayle look like Thomas Jefferson or John Adams in comparison. Biden literally has no clue of what he's talking about, and has the nerve to chastise Cheney ?

UN-FRACKING-BELIEVABLE.

Director: Bureau of Bigfoot Affairs

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Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:27 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Damn, Mike, maybe it's time to get my ears checked. With all this gurgling, hot-air wind, crying babies, I don't know if it's my ears, or I'm hearing voices or something...maybe we have ghosts?

Although, the stuff I heard murmured just now made me

, admittedly, so maybe it's not such a bad thing...

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Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Damn, Mike, maybe it's time to get my ears checked. With all this gurgling, hot-air wind, crying babies, I don't know if it's my ears, or I'm hearing voices or something...maybe we have ghosts?

Although, the stuff I heard murmured just now made me , admittedly, so maybe it's not such a bad thing...

Maybe we have a right-wing ghost - a Coulter-geist!

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:06 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Oh, yeah, that could well explain it. That's okay, it's humorous anyway...

(got a bunch of new ones, as you can see

was starting to duplicate myself!)

And thanx for the name, Coultergeist is the one I've been trying to remember; all I could come up with was Malkin, who's not even in the same league!

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Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:15 PM

STORYMARK

Wow, that last gust of hot air was particularly hi-larious.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:33 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

it was, wasn't it? Weather's chilly, so I enjoyed it, as you're right, it was especially giggly.

But enough fun, I've been playing here all morning, way longer than I should have. I'll leave the enjoyment to the rest of you...

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Friday, February 19, 2010 5:18 AM

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Originally posted by antimason:
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Cook? Really?

haha.. oh man. correcting my spelling errors just never gets old, does it Kwicky?

Hell, the Spelling Fairy would have a full-time job trying to keep up with your mangled language. "Conspiracy Cook" just struck me as funny.

By the way, I don't recall correcting your spelling a whole bunch in the past. What other usernames do you post under?

Is that you, John Wayne? Is this me?

I guess we have our answer to that question...

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Friday, February 19, 2010 5:33 AM

America loves a winner!

Come to think of it, Jimmah Carter broke with tradition back when Clinton was in office as well. He tried to muddle in with foreign affairs w/ regards to N. Korea and the Palestinians, if I recall.

All Cheney's done is defend himself and his administration from excessive finger pointing by the current residents.

Cheney was far from perfect, and made mistakes, as any VP will, but for this administration to continuously carry on and deflect due criticism of their handling of - EVERYTHING to their predecessors, is deplorable.

Obama & Biden are sounding more like Bart Simpson... " I didn't' do it, you can't prove anything, it's not my fault "

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Friday, February 19, 2010 5:48 AM

Excusing bad behavior by pointing out another's bad behavior is not a meaningful or just analogy. Besides, if Cheney was so concerned with his "image" and/or place in history, then why didn't he EVER defend Bush or himself during the 8 years they ran the country? During the 8 years the liberal media was ripping them to shreds every day? He said nothing, he was too aloof, too important, too existential, too whatever. It took Cheney and Bush how many years to finally figure out how to win in Iraq? 6 years to figure out we needed more troops? 6 years to come up with the catch phrase "surge". Oooh, what a genius! HE allowed the Democrats and Liberals to take the high ground, and now he's desperately trying to communicate like he should have done when he was in office. And it hurts me when he continues to boast about waterboarding and coerced interrogation. Obama is blowing up terrorists every day with drones...what more could anyone want? Does Cheney just miss the fun? Sorry, that's how I see it.

ps. I like what Boehner said yesterday at CPAC....he spoke out against the actions of Republican-led Congress during the Bush years. They're the ones that started us on the way to huge deficits. If Republicans and/or Conservatives want to get some power back in this country, they better NOT seek out anything from Bush or Cheney, unless they actually want to open up old wounds and lose elections.

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Friday, February 19, 2010 6:39 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Hear, hear, JS. Unfortunately, the love affair is definitely not over; at C-PAC, Cheney was the most popular speaker, starting at the podium to loud cries of "Run, Dick, Run!!". This is a very sad, frightened, sick maqn...which means what? That his audience was filled with sad, frightened, sick people?

Kinda says it all, don't it? We're doomed.

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Friday, February 19, 2010 7:11 AM

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Hear, hear, JS. Unfortunately, the love affair is definitely not over; at C-PAC, Cheney was the most popular speaker, starting at the podium to loud cries of "Run, Dick, Run!!". This is a very sad, frightened, sick man...which means what? That his audience was filled with sad, frightened, sick people?

Kinda says it all, don't it? We're doomed.

I wouldn't worry too much about Cheney or CPAC. Sure they're making some headlines now with their fiery rhetoric and un-bridled Obama bashing (how expectedly boring!)... but in the big picture all of it doesn't add up to anything significant. Americans get tired of hearing the same old attacks, and if Hannity and Limbaugh couldn't stop Obama from getting elected, I hardly think Cheney will. I think America wants reasonable leaders, just like we in the RWED want reasonable posters. We will never agree on everything, will likely disagree on most things, but we all can be reasonable in our presentations. And if the other sides' case is more compelling, then suck it up and admit it.

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Friday, February 19, 2010 9:09 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

...and hear, hear again. I hope you're right about CPAC; what I've seen so far amazes even ME in how "far out" it's been. Whew! I can only hope you're right.

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Friday, February 19, 2010 9:24 AM

I'm no political whiz, but it's clear that Independents decide elections. Independents don't like extreme ideology coming from any Party. If a hard-core Conservative was nominated as the Republican candidate to challenge Obama, his tone would be much softer and moderate than when addressing groups like CPAC, where they just throw red meat at them. Libs do the same. They all campaign as moderates, then they morph back into their ideological comfort zone. All we voters have to go on is their voting record, if they have one.

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Friday, February 19, 2010 9:33 AM

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I'm no political whiz, but it's clear that Independents decide elections. Independents don't like extreme ideology coming from any Party. If a hard-core Conservative was nominated as the Republican candidate to challenge Obama, his tone would be much softer and moderate than when addressing groups like CPAC, where they just throw red meat at them. Libs do the same. They all campaign as moderates, then they morph back into their ideological comfort zone. All we voters have to go on is their voting record, if they have one.

I dunno, Jongsie - I'm told by conservatives that Obama ran as a committed Socialist, and he's only now trying to steer towards the middle (well, after he finishes destroying this country in the name of socialism. Or Islam. Or communism.). If the independents were what carried the election in '08, it seems they DO like radicals, at least on the left.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Friday, February 19, 2010 9:38 AM

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I dunno, Jongsie - I'm told by conservatives that Obama ran as a committed Socialist, and he's only now trying to steer towards the middle (well, after he finishes destroying this country in the name of socialism. Or Islam. Or communism.). If the independents were what carried the election in '08, it seems they DO like radicals, at least on the left.

Obama may have been labeled and accused of being a committed Socialist by folks on the Right, but he ran a pretty mainstream campaign. Personally I did believe he was a far-Left guy even though he wasn't campaigning that way, and so did Conservative pundits. But Independents listened to him, and thought he would not be an ideologue, so they voted him into office. Now Independents think Obama has gone too far to the Left, and they're not supporting him as much. Obama can't catch a break. He's been good on some things and not so good on others. Ideologue? Hardly! Left...Right...Left...I'm gettin' seasick!

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Friday, February 19, 2010 9:56 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"... don't like extreme ideology coming from any Party."

I wish that were the case. B/c it seems to me if you dress it up in FEAR ! and DANGER ! and HATE !--- and let's not forget FREEDOM ! and PROFIT ! (aka 'free' enterprise) and RIGHTEOUSNESS ! - then it goes over pretty well.

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Silence is consent.

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Friday, February 19, 2010 10:09 AM

Seen on T-shirts at the CPAC conference:

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Friday, February 19, 2010 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
"... don't like extreme ideology coming from any Party."

I wish that were the case. B/c it seems to me if you dress it up in FEAR ! and DANGER ! and HATE !--- and let's not forget FREEDOM ! and PROFIT ! (aka 'free' enterprise) and RIGHTEOUSNESS ! - then it goes over pretty well.

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Silence is consent.

You forgot MOM'S APPLE PIE!

I see :
20% hard Right (w/ 10% insane & 10% 1/2 insane)
20% moderate Right
20% hard Left (w/10% insane & 10% 1/2 insane)
20% moderate Left
20% pure Independents

You need to get 3 of those groups on your side to win. And politicians are skilled in that regard.

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Friday, February 19, 2010 10:15 AM

BYTEMITE

I heard that Dick Cheney had a stroke at some point, and everyone who knew him said it changed him. I was told that that sneer he has might be an indication of damage to the moral judgment center on the left side of his brain.

Not kidding.

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Friday, February 19, 2010 10:22 AM

I see Jesus with an ET heartlight, is that King Neptune on top? Katy Perry on the lower left next to a Terminator. Quite an ecclectic design. Musta been doin' shrooms at the time.

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Friday, February 19, 2010 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I heard that Dick Cheney had a stroke at some point, and everyone who knew him said it changed him. I was told that that sneer he has might be an indication of damage to the moral judgment center on the left side of his brain.

Not kidding.

Yeah, I heard it really changed him, too. Made him more compassionate than he used to be.

Totally kidding. Maybe.

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Friday, February 19, 2010 11:21 AM

ELVISCHRIST

How's it happened he comes out from his rock an noone smashed his head with a bigger rock?

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Friday, February 19, 2010 11:24 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

...is that King Neptune on top?

No, that's the Terry Gilliam/Monty Python version of God from one of the Python movies.

And .... are those lamas in the corner....?

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Friday, February 19, 2010 12:29 PM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Seen on T-shirts at the CPAC conference:

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

Thanks, now I'm going to have nightmares for a year because of that image.

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Friday, February 19, 2010 12:47 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yes, Rue, I think you’re right; just look at CPAC and all that’s going on there...it’s pretty hard core right; and huge applause with “Run Dick Run” greeting Cheney? Doesn’t sound moderate to me.

By the way, I’m an independent; and what the Right has done the past eight years, right up to now, has sickened me. My husband and I were both scared of Dumbya before he was elected, and he even topped OUR fears of what he might do!

I dunno, JS, the percentages may be roughly right, but according to Rassmussen:

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35.4% of American adults view themselves as Democrats. That’s down from 35.5% a month ago and 36.0 two months ago. Prior to last month, the lowest total ever recorded for Democrats was 35.9%, a figure that was reached twice in 2005. See the History of Party Trends from January 2004 to the present.

The number of Republicans is now down to 32.3%. The number of Republicans in the country has stayed between 32.3% and 34.05% in every month for the past 18 months.

The number of adults not affiliated with either major party is now up to 32.3%. That’s the highest number of unaffiliateds since the summer of 2007.

Rasmussen Reports tracks this information based on telephone interviews with approximately 15,000 adults per month and has been doing so since November 2002. The margin of error for the full sample is less than one percentage point, with a 95% level of confidence.

As has been the case in every month over the past seven years of tracking, there are more Democrats than Republicans in the nation. The gap is currently 3.1 percentage points, up from 1.5 percentage points a month ago.

That of course doesn’t say precisely what the ideology is, like who’s moderate Dem and who’s very Left, etc., so maybe you’re right, who knows? Certainly you’re right that you have to get a good percentage of “independents” (reflected by those who say they’re unaffiliated) to win.

Damn, Mike, you made me see both those images. Now my day is ruined! All I can say to the photo and concept is:

Like Cuda, I’m going to have nightmares now...damn you!

Good one, Byte! Llamas? Where? Where are the llamas? No—wait, I don’t want to look at it again!

Elvis, you volunteering? I'll provide the rock...

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Friday, February 19, 2010 2:10 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Excusing bad behavior by pointing out another's bad behavior is not a meaningful or just analogy. Besides, if Cheney was so concerned with his "image" and/or place in history, then why didn't he EVER defend Bush or himself during the 8 years they ran the country? During the 8 years the liberal media was ripping them to shreds every day? He said nothing, he was too aloof, too important, too existential, too whatever.

I'm at a loss too as to why Bush / Cheney NEVER engaged in overly defending their policies or speaking up for their decisions. It was maddening as hell to see the LMS (Lame Stream Media ) , along w/ the presser-a-day Democrats come out and routinely bash, bash, and then bash some more. I swear to god, it had to be some asinine view that Bush had, and defending the honor and dignity of the Office, to not engage in the very sort of overt partisan grandstanding the current office holders exhibit. Hey W.....it didn't work!

I kinda get that, to a point, but eventually, you HAVE to stand up for your views. Bush virtually never did that, and I'm sure he kept Cheney on a short leash - unlike what Obama SHOULD be doing w/ Biden. Like he ever could, if he wanted to.

Cheney, unencumbered by Bush's leash now, is simply standing up and denying Biden and Obama's attempt to rewrite history. I say, good for Cheney. My only problem is....wtf took ya so damn long ?

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Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:19 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I don't think Cheney gave a damn what people thought while he was in office. Remember him saying just that? He did what he wanted, knew he could do what he wanted, and I think was deluded enough by their hope of a "permanent Republican majority" to think it wouldn't matter...OR, a good chance is he actually BELIEVED all that shit, and thought history would show him to be right.

Remember how much fear consumes this man...he's a prime example of paranoid meglomania, sees the world as all evil, out to get him...the worst kind of "true believer". Now that history and the people are going after him, maybe that's what brought him out from under his rock to defend himself (and to an extent Dumbya) for "history's sake". Who knows?

Somehow I doubt the Republicans have anything to do with dragging him out from under the rock, I don't think he'd let himself be used, it's what he truly believes.

I think, given his paranoia and how he sees everything has turned against them, he also may be insistently proclaiming torture WORKED, lest he and Dumbya and their cronies get called up on charges...which looks less likely today than it even did before. He has, after all, CONFESSED to torture.

Won't ever convince me Cheney was on any kind of "leash". Looks like the ONLY thing Dumbya ever did that Cheney didn't like was refuse the pardon.

Yes, I'm engaging the wind (SHOCK!). There SEEMS to be a slight change in tone, like maybe some actual conversation MIGHT be possible. I'll only give it one try, just to see. Maybe I'm a fool. We'll see.

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Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:47 AM

MAL4PREZ

I read a blog this morning - can't remember where, I'm traveling and been surfing all morning - about how Cheney's battle isn't really with Obama. He's trying to frame the debate that way to get the Republican machine behind him, but he's really just continuing a battle he's been losing for years.

All those 300+ weren't treated as enemy combatants during the Bush/Cheney years because Cheney lost. Bush didn't do things his way.

It's an interesting perspective: Cheney isn't really being hypocritical about this as much as he's still pushing his own agenda. But he's putting the Dems on the other side without acknowledging that Repubs were also against his plans to make the US a totalitarian military regime.

ETA Here it is: http://www.slate.com/id/2245172/pagenum/2

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Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:47 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Remember how much fear consumes this man...he's a prime example of paranoid meglomania, sees the world as all evil, out to get him...the worst kind of "true believer". Now that history and the people are going after him, maybe that's what brought him out from under his rock to defend himself (and to an extent Dumbya) for "history's sake". Who knows?

No, you have it completely wrong. Cheney sees the world for what it really is. The al Qaeda types for who they actually are. He probably knows about far more shit that went on that the general public and lame stream press will never report on. I mean, 9/11, as well as a list of other attacks ACTUALLY did happen.

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I think, given his paranoia and how he sees everything has turned against them, he also may be insistently proclaiming torture WORKED, lest he and W and their cronies get called up on charges...which looks less likely today than it even did before. He has, after all, CONFESSED to torture.

There was no torture. None. Waterboarding sucks, but it was rarely used, and it worked. Biden and Obama are the ones motivated by politics to try to rewrite history. And as is the case w/ so many other things, the people are starting to wake up and realize what they've been ignoring.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first.

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Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:52 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Speakin of things that crawled out from under a rock...

Alexander Haig just capped it.

And think of me what you will, I'm not exactly sympathetic, cause lets look at his "legacy"...

Good buddies with MacArthur, yanno, the guy that made his bones stomping on army vets (Bonus Marchers) with spiked boots, that bastard black bagger Ailes, and of course old "Lets pretend it didn't happen" McNamra.

Head of the NSA under Nixon, up to his ass in the dirtiest business of the era, all those programs with funky names, yanno, and eventually chief of staff for what was up till recently the slimest critter to ever sleaze it's way into the white house, only to pratfall as one of his proteges, one Donald Rumsfeld, gave him ye olde political dagger to the spine, which didn't stop him from creeping back in under Reagan, as Secretary of State, much like these critters do if you don't finish em off when you got the chance.

And he was sleazin around in the backroom chumfests of the Bush administration too, for that matter.

Also worthy of my ire is his chummy relations with Steve Case and the rest of those bastards at America Online, who not only "set the standard" for bullshit accounting practices and the prime example companies like Enron followed, but also catapulted internet predators into the mainstream by deliberately catering to them and offering a protected environment.
(See Also: Barry Crimmins Testimony to Senate Judiciary Committee, 104th US Congress for details)

And that's just the quick capsule version.
As such, there's really nothing nice I could say, and a lotta really cruel ones, but I'll limit it to just one.

"Less than a thousand" just got reduced by one.

Now if only Kissinger would be so kind.

-F

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Saturday, February 20, 2010 6:59 AM

America loves a winner!

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And he was sleazin around in the backroom chumfests of the Bush administration too, for that matter.

Curious remark, in light of the marathon backroom chumfests going on w/ the current administration, the most open and transparenty ever...

Huh.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first.

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Sunday, February 21, 2010 9:06 AM