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School used laptop webcams to spy on kids at home

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Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:59 PM

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School Used Student Laptop Webcams to Spy on Them at School and Home

According to the filings in Blake J Robbins v Lower Merion School District (PA) et al, the laptops issued to high-school students in the well-heeled Philly suburb have webcams that can be covertly activated by the schools' administrators, who have used this facility to spy on students and even their families. The issue came to light when the Robbins's child was disciplined for "improper behavior in his home" and the Vice Principal used a photo taken by the webcam as evidence. The suit is a class action, brought on behalf of all students issued with these machines.

If true, these allegations are about as creepy as they come. I don't know about you, but I often have the laptop in the room while I'm getting dressed, having private discussions with my family, and so on. The idea that a school district would not only spy on its students' clickstreams and emails (bad enough), but also use these machines as AV bugs is purely horrifying.

Schools are in an absolute panic about kids divulging too much online, worried about pedos and marketers and embarrassing photos that will haunt you when you run for office or apply for a job in 10 years. They tell kids to treat their personal details as though they were precious.

But when schools take that personal information, indiscriminately invading privacy (and, of course, punishing students who use proxies and other privacy tools to avoid official surveillance), they send a much more powerful message: your privacy is worthless and you shouldn't try to protect it.

Robbins v. Lower Merion School District
http://craphound.com/robbins17.pdf


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Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Has it never occurred to anyone to put a piece of electrical tape over the damn camera?


Not that that makes it okay for anyone to be spying on you this way, but it might help a bit.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:

Has it never occurred to anyone to put a piece of electrical tape over the damn camera?

Not that that makes it okay for anyone to be spying on you this way, but it might help a bit.



According to the lawsuit, the kids are also punished for simply doing "privacy tricks" like that, or using proxy servers like Proxify.com.

It's 1984 all over again.

When I was a kid, we only had eyeballs to worry about. And guns in school were never a problem. I know, because every kid in my school was required to carry a military assault rifle in class.

But at least the pedophiles can now watch the kids undress in the comfort of their own homes. That's progress!

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Friday, February 19, 2010 3:06 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Get a warrant and seize the office and home computers of the administrators responsible, and I will *GUARANTEE* you that you'll make at least one bust over it, that's a damned common problem with this bullshit no one wants to admit, even if PN does get excessive about it.

My nieces school hadda quietly (and from what I hear, only temporarily) remove the cameras from the girls bathrooms, and one administrator, for similar reasons after the sumbitch got caught yankin it behind his desk, grrrr.

I take after my mother that way, you mess with one of MY kids (even if they ain't biologically "mine") and you're obviously in the wrong, it don't matter how important you think you are, fuck the lawsuit, it's time for some wall-to-wall counselling!

I shall forever treasure the memory of first discovering that, some time in middle school where an assistant administrator decided to "adjust my attitude" just prior to a parent teacher conference, since he made some nasty commentary about my mother (who worked 14 hour days, plus an hour plus commute!) being late, and I called him up short on it...

His "attitude adjustment" involved him lifting me off the ground by my collar and screaming profanity and abuse in my face, with a side order of race-baiting.

My mother, hearing this from the door of the office lobby, took that door open with a bang, damned near off the hinges, and one second later the loudest sound in that room was the snap-click of the eight inch switchblade in her hand being deployed.
(You have NO IDEA how bad the knowledge she even HAD something like that, much less *obviously* knew damned well how to use it, freaked me out.)

Whatever she said to him, I missed cause I was so utterly, totally shocked by the whole concept of my *mother* storming in like an angry valkyrie, ready and willing to cut this guy into bait - I was more scared of her maybe DOIN that, than I ever was of him - he knew the rules, he knew you did not lay hands on me, EVER, and he broke em...

Anyways, he quit over that, it wasn't JUST that, but it was kinda the last straw, since he was on the verge of bein fired anyways, so I figure he had some encouragement.

None of em at THAT school ever tried such bullshit again, and as for me, it took well over a month to stop going into nervous twitches every time she reached in her purse for something...
And more like THREE before I dared mouth off to her about anything.

It wouldn't have wigged me out so if I didn't know her as one of the most strait-laced, calm, unflappable people I'd ever met, I mean, she dealt with *me*, yanno ?

Anyhows, I guess the apple didn't fall *that* far from the tree, when it comes to it, cause someone pulled a stunt like this one on one of "my" kids...

I'd be playin cubicle-divider dominos with the sumbitch, and quick like.
(Which wouldn't wig "my" kids out so much as completely embarrass them with my "barbarity" - something they're very well aware of and tend to lecture ME about.. *eyeroll* )

-F

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Friday, February 19, 2010 4:13 AM

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Has it never occurred to anyone to put a piece of electrical tape over the damn camera?

Not that that makes it okay for anyone to be spying on you this way, but it might help a bit.



It certainly never occurred to anyone at the SCHOOL, the ones who handed out these laptops in the first place.


Would THAT be too much to expect from those who are in charge of teaching the children?




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Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:07 AM

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School Spycams Case Explodes As Feds Initiate Probe
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/FBI-Investigates-Webcam-Spy-Allegati
ons-Against-School-451724
/
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/20/laptop.suit/index.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/school-spycams-case-explodes-as-feds-initi
ate-probe.html


While the school district denies it ever used the tracking software for anything other than looking for stolen computers, it seems other schools across the country are actively using the same or similar technology to monitor students.

The following clip is from PBS FRONTLINE: Digital Nation: Life on the Virtual Frontier, broadcast earlier this month. The clip is from segment 4 of the show titled Teaching with Technology.

It effectively demonstrates the technology that has caused uproar in the Lower Merion case.

The Assistant Principal of the featured high school demonstrates how he effectively spies on students by remotely accessing cameras in their laptops. He monitors their activity and even takes pictures of them, much to his own amusement:



The entire show PBS show can be found here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/digitalnation/view/

Quote:

Tennessee school adminstrators sued for videotaping naked girls in locker room

In 2002, the Overton County (Tenn.) School Board approved a plan to install video surveillance equipment throughout Livingston Middle School (LMS). The school board ordered the director of schools, William Needham, to oversee the project. Needham, in turn, assigned the job to LMS principal Melinda Beaty, who delegated the job to assistant principal Robert Jolley.

In July 2002, Jolley had cameras installed throughout the school in areas facing exterior doors, in hallways leading to exterior doors, and in the boys' and girls' locker rooms. The images captured by the cameras were transmitted to a computer in Jolley's office, and displayed and stored on the computer's hard drive. In September 2002, Jolley discovered that the locker room cameras were videotaping areas in which students routinely dressed for athletic activities and immediately notified Beaty of the situation. No action, however, was taken to remove the cameras until January 2003.

When the videotaping was discovered, a group of parents filed suit under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 against the school board, Needham, Beaty and Jolley. In their suit, the parents alleged that school officials violated the students' constitutional right to privacy by installing and operating video surveillance equipment in the boys' and girls' locker rooms and by viewing and retaining the recorded images.

School officials moved for summary judgment on the grounds of qualified immunity, under which public officials are entitled to be dismissed from a lawsuit if they can show that they did not violate any federal statutory or constitutional rights that were "clearly established" at the time of the alleged misconduct. The public policy behind qualified immunity is that if government officials were not sometimes given a pass for violating a citizen's constitutional rights, officials would be undesirably inhibited in exercising their duties for fear of personal liability if they made a mistake that injured someone.

In determining whether school officials were entitled to qualified immunity, the Sixth Circuit Court started by reviewing whether the students' Fourth Amendment guarantee against unreasonable searches encompassed the right not to be videotaped while dressing and undressing in school locker rooms. In ruling that such a right was protected, the court held that a search is justified only when there are reasonable grounds for suspecting that it will garner evidence that a student has violated or is violating the law or school rules, or is in imminent danger of injury on school premises.

Since the stated purpose of setting up video surveillance equipment throughout LMS was for the sake of improving security, the court ruled that the installation of cameras throughout the school in areas facing exterior doors and in hallways leading to exterior doors was appropriate.

As for whether videotaping in the locker rooms was permissible, the court held that the measures adopted must be reasonably related to the objectives of the search. The court thus had to balance the scope and manner in which the search was conducted in light of the students' reasonable expectations of privacy, the nature of the intrusion and the severity of school officials' need in enacting such policies — including, in particular, any history of injurious behavior that could reasonably suggest the need for the challenged intrusion.

Applying this balancing test, the court ruled that even though students have a diminished overall expectation of privacy, this does not mean that a student's expectation of privacy is nonexistent. The students using the LMS locker rooms, the court ruled, retained a significant privacy interest in their unclothed bodies and could reasonably expect that no one would videotape them without their knowledge while they changed their clothes for an athletic activity. As for the nature of the intrusion, the court ruled that video surveillance, and the recording and storing of those images, was inherently intrusive.

As for the governmental interest — concern that school safety measures should be enhanced, and whether, given that concern, the intrusion was reasonable — the court ruled that the installation and operation of the cameras in locker rooms was unreasonable. The cameras, the court ruled, did nothing to promote the claimed policy goal of ensuring improved school security, especially when there was no history of any security threat in the locker rooms.

Having determined that the students' constitutional rights were violated, the court next examined whether the students' rights were clearly established at the time the cameras were installed. In ruling that they were, the court held that some personal liberties are so fundamental to human dignity as to need no specific constitutional explication in order to ensure their protection against government invasion. Surreptitiously videotaping students in various states of undress, the court held, is plainly one such right. A person of ordinary common sense, the court found, to say nothing of professional school administrators, would know without need for specific instruction from a federal court that teenagers have an inherent personal dignity, a sense of decency and self-respect, and a sensitivity about their bodily privacy that are at the core of their personal liberty.

As a result of the Sixth Circuit Court's decision that the plaintiffs adequately alleged a Fourth Amendment violation of the students' constitutional right to privacy, those school officials directly involved in the decision to install cameras and responsible for determining their locations (Beaty and Jolley) were found not to be entitled to qualified immunity. Since there was no indication that members of the school board or the director of schools were aware of the locker room videotaping, the court found that they were immune from damages.

With all the concern these days over student safety, the court's decision in Brannum is important because it clearly reaffirms that even though students may have a diminished expectation of privacy when they walk through the school doors, they still have some expectations of privacy. It is therefore essential that school administrators carefully think about whether the intended purpose of any new or existing program or policy that intrudes on a student's privacy expectation is justifiable. If it is, school administrators must also ask themselves whether the intrusion is reasonably related in scope to the circumstances that justified the search. If the answer to either question is no, the qualified immunity statute will not protect school administrators from legal liability.

Attorney John T. Wolohan (jwolohan@ithaca.edu) is a professor of sports law and chair of the Sport Management & Media department at Ithaca College, where Xinxian Zou (of Beijing Sport University) is a visiting professor of sport management.

http://www.athleticbusiness.com/articles/article.aspx?articleid=1820&z
oneid=25


Brannum v. Overton County School Board, 516 F.3d 489 (6th Cir. 2008)
http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/08a0083p-06.pdf



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Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:48 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
It's 1984 all over again.


If only...

Ronald Reagan, 49 States, 525 electoral votes.
Walterrack Mondalebama, 1 State (by 3700 votes) + DC, 10 electoral votes.

Desmund Tutu got the Nobel Peace Prize for his "role as a unifying leader figure in the campaign to resolve the problem of apartheid in South Africa."

USS Alabama, Ohio Class Balistic Missile Submarine was launched carrying 24 SLBM nuclear missiles and capable of delivering more firepower in one strike the ever delivered in the entire history of war...not to mention was the setting for the movie Crimson Tide.

Born, Scarlett Johansson and Lebron James.

23rd Olympiad in LA. Carl Lewis. Mary Lou Retton. Michael Jordan led an 'future Dream Team' to gold.

"Where's the beef?"

Hulk Hogan defeats the Iron Sheik to win his first WWF title.

TV: Night Court, Airwolf, Punky Brewster (PN's favorite show, he likes old men and little girls), Cosby Show, V, Macintosh computers...

Raiders win Super Bowl. Tiger take the Series.

Not to mention Marc Garneau, the first Cannuck in orbit.

Good year.

H

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Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:13 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:

According to the lawsuit, the kids are also punished for simply doing "privacy tricks" like that, or using proxy servers like Proxify.com.



Which is generally spelled out in the agreement they sign to use the computers. Boo-effin-hoo.


Quote:

When I was a kid....


The world changes, wear a cup.


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But at least the pedophiles can now watch the kids undress in the comfort of their own homes. That's progress!


And back to your regularly scheduled PN idiocy....

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:

Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:

According to the lawsuit, the kids are also punished for simply doing "privacy tricks" like that, or using proxy servers like Proxify.com.



Which is generally spelled out in the agreement they sign to use the computers. Boo-effin-hoo.



Kids are below the age of consent to contracts. Contract Law 101.

Same for statutory rape, which teachers are convicted of everyday.

It's impossible to contract away your constitutionally guaranteed rights, since the constitutions are contracts to forbid govt have having that authority. Constitutional Law 101.

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Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:

Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
It's 1984 all over again.


If only...

Ronald Reagan, 49 States, 525 electoral votes.
Walterrack Mondalebama, 1 State (by 3700 votes) + DC, 10 electoral votes.

Desmund Tutu got the Nobel Peace Prize for his "role as a unifying leader figure in the campaign to resolve the problem of apartheid in South Africa."



In 1980 Reagan/Bush won by treason in Iran-Contra, by paying Iran to raid the US embassy, kidnap the hostages, and refuse to release them until the exact minute Reagan/Bush were inaugurated, plus Lt Col Oliver North sabotaged President Carter's military rescue team, so they all crashed and burned in a desert sand storm. Then Bush's cousin John Hinkley Jr (allegedly) shot Reagan, making Bush Sr president 8 years early.

South Africa is now a bankrupt Communist nation of anarchy, slavery and genocide, ruled by the Kosher Nostra and its blood diamond cartel.

VP Mondale was paid to lose as controlled opposition, and was no competition to the CIA's coups d'etat in USA. Or he could have arrested Reagan/Bush when Carter was still president, or filed felony charges during the Iran-Contra investigation. Oh that's right, dozens of Reagan/Bush White House staff were found guilty of felonies during Iran Contra. Bush Sr pardoned all of them (who weren't already assassinated), and was promoted to Knight of the British Empire by his cousin the German Queen of England.

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The UK agency in charge of IT in UK schools has insisted there is no chance of the government's free laptops program exposing the bedroom activities of British students.

The calming words for British parents comes after a US school district was sued for allegedly spying on a student in his bedroom via the webcam on his school supplied laptop.

The proud boast of Lower Merrion School District in Philadelphia is that it gives every one of their 1,800 high-schoolers laptop computers, to "ensure that all students have 24/7 access to school-based resources."

The catch – which isn’t even mentioned in the small print – is that whilst pupils are watching their laptops, their school may be watching them. This rather sinister twist to the tale came to light when the parents of student Blake Robbins were told by an official of Harriton High School last November that their son had been involved in "improper behavior in his home."

There are no further details of what this improper behaviour might constitute – and readers must draw their own conclusions as to the sort of behaviour a teenage school student might indulge in, if left alone in his bedroom with a PC.

However, what startled and then outraged Blake’s parents was the evidence provided: a photo of their son engaged in the "improper behaviour" cited, taken not on any friend’s camera – but by the webcam on the free school laptop.

Subsequent investigation revealed that this webcam could be – and in this case, was – activated remotely by persons working for the school.

According to the Robbins family, an assistant principal at Harriton High, Lindy Matsko, confirmed that the school district "in fact has the ability to remotely activate the Webcam contained in a student's personal laptop computer issued by the school district at any time it chose, and to view and capture whatever images were in front of the Webcam."

The Robbins family have reacted by talking to their lawyers – and this week they issued suit (pdf) against the school district, its board of governors, and Christopher McGinley, the Superintendent of the district.

They allege a veritable shopping list of wrongdoing, including not only breaches of the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution, but also the Electronic Communication Privacy Act, the Computer Fraud Abuse Act, the Stored Communications Act, s1983 of the Civil Rights Act, the Pennsylvania Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance Act, as well as Pennsylvania common law.

The school district has today responded robustly, claiming that the laptops come with webcam pre-installed and a tracking facility that would be used in case a laptop was stolen. They state: "The tracking-security feature was limited to taking a still image of the operator and the operator's screen. This feature has only been used for the limited purpose of locating a lost, stolen or missing laptop. The District has not used the tracking feature or web cam for any other purpose or in any other manner whatsoever."

However, this feature has now been de-activated and they do not envisage reactivating it without permission from students and parents.

So could this happen in the UK? We asked BECTA - the government agency leading the national drive to spread technology into education for their views. Their response was a categoric no.

According to a spokeswoman for BECTA, families apply for funding for a laptop through the Home Access Initiative. Individual schools do not know which families have obtained PCs – and the initiative is about providing funding for families to go out and obtain their own PC, rather than the provision of PCs through a central state provider.

In other words: it couldn’t happen here.

Nonetheless, the story is a salutary warning to all those happily downloading helpful educational packages at home. If you don’t know the provenance of a site, you cannot be 100% sure what you are getting. Even when dealing with officialdom, the message from today’s episode seems to be that you should stay on your guard at all times.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/19/school_laptop_spy_row/




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Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:34 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Which is generally spelled out in the agreement they sign to use the computers. Boo-effin-hoo.


An agreement under duress which is legally invalid for the same reason that allows shitheels to get away with these kind of abuses - cause they're not legally adults, nor are they, or anyone else, allowed to sign away their human rights.

And I do mean under duress - since by requiring the machine it means refusal will negatively impact their education, nor were parents allowed to purchase for their children an identical machine without that Lanrev bullshit, WHICH, might I add, we have several tech specialists distributing how-to-defeat manuals all around the area schools in response.
(along with a guide to privacy rights)
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/02/macbook-use-was-mandatory-at-laptop-
spying-school
/

As for the student in question, consider the DEGREE of spying it'd take to come up with something this asinine.
http://reason.com/blog/2010/02/20/lower-pervian-school-district

I didn't believe that "only in case of theft" bullshit when they shovelled it, and I GUARANTEE you that "only 42 times" story is bullshit too.

And you should know by now when I call bullshit on a story like this, someone is gonna get crucified about it, especially in PA where youth rights advocates have not forgotten ANOTHER incident, nor the school systems indirect involvement in making sure their dissenters were sent to these particular judges.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13judge.html

PN might be bughouse nuts, but he's actually got a serious, legitimate point about the matter, in between the crazy, and you think about it, is he really a lot crazier than the dickheads who come up with shit like this thinking it's a good idea ?



I want y'all to remember one thing, good and solid.

These kids, who our society treats this way, have very few places they can turn since their parents often involved, and many of the places they can turn for "help", are predatory, hellcamps, psychologists with hooks into big pharma, legal systems that will attack THEM for not going with the flow, predators, pushers....

And so when they find a supportive voice, a brick wall to put their backs against, people who understand their problems and are completely willing to feed them tools and resources...

Why kind of loyalty do you think that buys ?

Remember that some day these kids, some of em, enough of em, they're gonna be in charge.

And some of them hold a grudge.

-Frem

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Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:55 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Right on, Frem. Preach on, brother.

And yes, I *do* keep a piece of electrical tape over the mic and camera on my MacBook, precisely because I *HAVE* seen it turn on when there was no reason for it to be on, and it doesn't have any control panel that I can find that allows me to turn it OFF. That bugs me.

Mike

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Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:42 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by piratenews:
In 1980 Reagan/Bush won by treason in Iran-Contra, by paying Iran to raid the US embassy, kidnap the hostages, and refuse to release them until the exact minute Reagan/Bush were inaugurated, plus Lt Col Oliver North sabotaged President Carter's military rescue team, so they all crashed and burned in a desert sand storm. Then Bush's cousin John Hinkley Jr (allegedly) shot Reagan, making Bush Sr president 8 years early.


Ollie was Major Oliver North, Operations Officer for the 3rd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment as part of the 2nd Marine Division based in Camp Lejune, North Carolina during Iran Hostage crisis. His unit was not part of the Army Special Forces team deployed to Iran. He was not assigned to the National Security Council until after he attended the Naval War College in 1981.

Other then that everything you said is pure bullshit crazytalk.

Next you'll be telling us how George Bush flew in the back of an SR-71 to Tehran in October of 1980 to negotiate the release of the hostages for after the election. That was part of the Democrat's 'allegations are so serious that it must be investigated despite the complete lack of evidence" theory they used for hearings on this topic.

H

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Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:49 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Why, "Hero", that sounds almost as preposterous as the "Obama is a socialist" crazytalk your boys have been throwing around at CPAC and elsewhere!

Mike

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Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:57 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


What's funniest of all is PN's obsession with sex; doesn't putting those up on the internet equal the employees "passing them around"?

Oh, and in case anyone's wondering, Sauron was a FICTIONAL character.

The rest is typical PN idiocy...sore finger scrolling...

"And back to your regularly scheduled PN idiocy...."



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Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:28 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Why, "Hero", that sounds almost as preposterous as the "Obama is a socialist" crazytalk your boys have been throwing around at CPAC and elsewhere!


Obama is not a socialist...his policies are socialist, but he is merely a liberal intellectual elitist who is proving to be politically and professionally out of his depth.

Thats why so little real leadership and policy direction has come out of the White House in the last year. He takes months to make some decisions, others he makes far too quickly and in both cases his decisions are bad ones forcing course corrections, spin, and backstepping while all along denying any negative results or failed expectations.

But I think Beck reads too much conspiracy into incompetence and bad leadership.

I think Obama has good intentions and positive goals and does not understand how to implement policy or why people are upset with him. This leads to the reactionary and defensive thinking demonstrated time and again by the White House.

This is a sharp contrast to the Bush administration that took decisive action and lead the nations policy, both foriegn and domestic from a frontline position. While not always the correct action or successful and too often mired in a 'stay the course' mentality...it had the advantage of consistant policy and leading from the front thinking that people could always rely on for a stability that is lacking in the present administration (to his credit Clinton was the same way, although his tendency was to follow the polls, but at least he could stay out front of the issues). While I would encourage Obama to take a more central leadership role, such as he did this week by releasing his own health care plan (although like the other two Democrat plans it is a national disaster in the making), he should have released his own plan months ago instead of allowing the Congress to take the lead. Same is true of the Stimulas plan, which was a Pelosi boondoggle. He also should have buckled down and made a decision on Afganistan in a week or two rather then months later.

I think regardless of whether these things had met immediate success, people would have respected the leadership and his poll numbers would have been slower coming down. They elected Obama to lead, not to wallow...er...follow.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:43 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
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Which is generally spelled out in the agreement they sign to use the computers. Boo-effin-hoo.


An agreement under duress which is legally invalid for the same reason that allows shitheels to get away with these kind of abuses - cause they're not legally adults, nor are they, or anyone else, allowed to sign away their human rights.



No shit sherlock - that's why the parents sign the forms. The parents then have an obligation to.... parent! If they don't and the kids break the rules associated with the FREE COMPUTER - then there are consequences.


They're getting a free computer out of it. Again, boo-fuckin-hoo.

Should they be watched without cause - no. But that doesn't mean they should get free reign to do whatever they like with the equipment.

And your GUARANTEE (about an assumption, no less) means absolutely didly. Less than, really. It's just paranoid raving.... which granted, is your forte.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:46 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by piratenews:

Kids are below the age of consent to contracts. Contract Law 101.




But their parents are not, so your point is moot.

I should have known I would have to spell out such a simple concept.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:51 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Ok, you wanna be a dick, fine.

Firstoff, you *can not* sign away a Constitutional Right, did you happen to forget that little bit about "Supreme Law of the Land" ?
Quote:

Electronic Frontier Foundation Chief Council Kevin Bankston:"private schools or employers can ask you to sign away your right to privacy, but not a government entity like a public school. “To condition one’s receipt of government benefits on your surrendering a constitutional right is itself unconstitutional.”

Secondly, there's no "agreement" about it - you either take the deal, or your kid gets failed in the classes requiring the machine, that's not exactly a free-will agreement, that's a direct and extortive order cloaked in the illusion of an agreement.

I remember an elementary school that Vicky's kids went to playing games like that over an intended uniform policy which had more to do with kickbacks from the manufacture and distributor than any real necessity - the bastards sent a survey with two choices on it.

( ) Yes, I want school uniforms.
( ) No, I do not want school uniforms at this time.


EXACTLY that kind of scammery, which schools engage in on a regular basis - cause had that been allowed to pass unchallenged, no matter WHAT the parents responded, the school could, and would, turn around and say a "Majority of parents support the idea" (without saying "but not now") - as it went, some of parents took *issue* with trying to game them that way and had the administrator called on the carpet, but just because they PRETEND it's a choice doesn't mean it is.

And third, the machine is NOT free, it's coming out of the tax dollars of the very people who's children are using it, so essentially THEY paid for it, that's as much a sham as getting a "FREE" MP3 player (worth $49.99) for a "Registration Fee" of $99.99 - it's bullshit.

Also bullshit is the "only to track those which were reported lost or stolen" line of crap, which is OBVIOUSLY a lie because the Laptop assigned to Blake Robbins was not, and never had been, reported lost or stolen, therefore the excuse itself falls flat - beyond which, the fact that they chose to actively attempt to discipline Robbins for what they percieved as improper behavior *IN HIS OWN HOME* brings their whole motive fully into question.

And the record shows that the school superintendent used the schools public address system to make false and disparaging statements regarding the case and Robbins family, compounding the abuse of power and percieved authority even when it was proven beyond doubt that Robbins had done nothing wrong and his family had appropriate cause to be irate about the situation.

Despite the school officials lying through their teeth, getting caught doing so, and continuing this behavior, it took a federal judge (U.S. District Court Judge Jan DuBois) to issue a court order to forestall continuation of this behavior, not only the spying, but also misusing school resources and perceived authority to propagandize to students who constitute a captive audience - and you're going to sit here and tell me that's not over the top, when there is a distinct possibility of CRIMINAL charges in this matter ?

And frankly, I am sick of enablers like you trying to justify this kind of behavior cause it inevitably results in a hostile society with everyone at each others throats, bit by bit, primarily because useful idiots like you gobble up the shoveljob with a big grin (prolly why they call it a shit-eating grin) and flame away at anyone who actually has the nerve to call down logic, reason and those pesky facts upon the snowjob.

As for my Guarantees, what YOU make of em is up to you, but the evidence is against your proposition there cause when I throw my word behind something it's a damned solid bet, as many issues we've discussed in RWED have proven out, despite all the pissing and whining from scumbag jackboot lickers like you.

Now either come up with a valid point beyond sycophantic boot slobbering of perceived authority no matter how illegitimate, or get back under whatever fucking rock you slimed out from under and pray no one stomps on it to make the world a better place by just that much.

-Frem

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Wednesday, February 24, 2010 12:10 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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But that doesn't mean they should get free reign to do whatever they like with the equipment.



I'd say that goes for the school board, as well.


How's about this idea, Story:

We set up webcams to spy on everyone who has access to the "spycam" feeds off these laptop computers. And anyone caught spying on kids without cause (and a damn warrant, while we're at it), gets to go look for a new job. And if they're caught watching kids undressing or anything like that, they get to register as a sex offender on their way out the door.

Sound fair?

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Wednesday, February 24, 2010 2:15 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Why, "Hero", that sounds almost as preposterous as the "Obama is a socialist" crazytalk your boys have been throwing around at CPAC and elsewhere!


Obama is not a socialist...his policies are socialist, but he is merely a liberal intellectual elitist who is proving to be politically and professionally out of his depth.



That's so cute - Hitler wasn't evil; just his policies were. And I guess you'd label anyone an elitist who is smarter than you, which would make an astonishing number of people "elitist" in your book.

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Thats why so little real leadership and policy direction has come out of the White House in the last year. He takes months to make some decisions, others he makes far too quickly and in both cases his decisions are bad ones forcing course corrections, spin, and backstepping while all along denying any negative results or failed expectations.

But I think Beck reads too much conspiracy into incompetence and bad leadership.



I think you read too much incompetence into leadership you don't happen to agree with.

Quote:


I think Obama has good intentions and positive goals and does not understand how to implement policy or why people are upset with him. This leads to the reactionary and defensive thinking demonstrated time and again by the White House.

This is a sharp contrast to the Bush administration that took decisive action and lead the nations policy, both foriegn and domestic from a frontline position. While not always the correct action or successful and too often mired in a 'stay the course' mentality...it had the advantage of consistant policy and leading from the front thinking that people could always rely on for a stability that is lacking in the present administration (to his credit Clinton was the same way, although his tendency was to follow the polls, but at least he could stay out front of the issues). While I would encourage Obama to take a more central leadership role, such as he did this week by releasing his own health care plan (although like the other two Democrat plans it is a national disaster in the making), he should have released his own plan months ago instead of allowing the Congress to take the lead. Same is true of the Stimulas plan, which was a Pelosi boondoggle. He also should have buckled down and made a decision on Afganistan in a week or two rather then months later.



How long did Bush take to decide whether to up the troop levels in Afghanistan? A week or two? Or more like seven years, at which time he decided to just punt and make it the next guy's problem?

Quote:


I think regardless of whether these things had met immediate success, people would have respected the leadership and his poll numbers would have been slower coming down. They elected Obama to lead, not to wallow...er...follow.



So you're going on record as saying that you favor bad decisions that result in the deaths of thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of other people, over good decisions that save lives, based purely on which ones make a better show of "leadership"? Wouldn't you call that "leadership theater"?

H
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"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.



"Hero", I have never respected you. I may have to bring your quote about "intellegence" [sic] back as my signature if you're going to keep Chris's quote as yours. ;)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Firstoff, you *can not* sign away a Constitutional Right, did you happen to forget that little bit about "Supreme Law of the Land" ?


Actually you can waive your rights, but the waiver must be "knowing" and "voluntary".

Parents can waive the rights of their children.

Children have Constitutional rights...famous line from the Supreme Court "the Consitution does not stop at the schoolhouse gate". However they cannot exercise their rights absent parental consent. For example, a child cannot file a lawsuit, the parent files the suit on the child's behalf (noting for the record that their are limited circumstances that allow others to act 'in loco parentis' usually through an appointed child's advocate or agreement such as a school being authorized to arrange for emergency medical treatment on a field trip when the parent cannot be contacted in a reasonable time all of which go to the idea that a child cannot exercise their Constitutional rights without adult supervision).

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:43 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:

Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Firstoff, you *can not* sign away a Constitutional Right, did you happen to forget that little bit about "Supreme Law of the Land" ?


Actually you can waive your rights, but the waiver must be "knowing" and "voluntary".

Parents can waive the rights of their children.

Children have Constitutional rights...famous line from the Supreme Court "the Consitution does not stop at the schoolhouse gate". However they cannot exercise their rights absent parental consent. For example, a child cannot file a lawsuit, the parent files the suit on the child's behalf (noting for the record that their are limited circumstances that allow others to act 'in loco parentis' usually through an appointed child's advocate or agreement such as a school being authorized to arrange for emergency medical treatment on a field trip when the parent cannot be contacted in a reasonable time all of which go to the idea that a child cannot exercise their Constitutional rights without adult supervision).



I agree. Therefore all driver licenses are invalid, since 14-year-old to 18-year-old children, not their parents, sign those contracts to waiver their Constitutionally guaranteed right to travel. And adults are extorted at duress at gunpoint by police state death squads to sign driver license contracts, thus their signature is not "voluntary".

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Electronic Frontier Foundation Chief Council Kevin Bankston:"private schools or employers can ask you to sign away your right to privacy, but not a government entity like a public school. “To condition one’s receipt of government benefits on your surrendering a constitutional right is itself unconstitutional.”


Just like driver licenses for adults, to waive their constitutionally guaranteed right to travel without an internal passport, subject to arrest by police state death squads for all normal driving, as required by the Communist Manifesto.

Quote:

"The Right of the Citizen to travel upon public highways by automobile is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but the common Right which he has under his Right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, under Constitutional guarantee."
-II Am.Jur. (1st) Constitutional Law, Sect.329

"The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime."
-Miller v. US, 230 F 486, 489

"There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of this exercise of constitutional Rights."
-Snerer vs. Cullen, 481 F. 946

"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them."
-Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436, 491

"I’ll burn your house down, set your dog on fire and there won’t be a member of your family left, do you understand me? I won’t hire it done, I will do it myself! Do you understand me?”
-Blount County sheriff James Berrong, United States Court of Appeals, Sixth Circuit, Nuchols v. Berrong, No. 04-5645, July 11, 2005
http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/05a0586n-06.pdf

"In Hurricane Katrina's chaotic aftermath, police shot six people – killing two – as they crossed a bridge in search of food. As victims' relatives watched from the courtroom gallery, a retired lieutenant who supervised the department's probe of the shootings pleaded guilty to orchestrating a cover-up to conceal that police gunned down unarmed civilians. Michael Lohman, a 21-year veteran of the force, pleaded guilty to a charge of conspiracy to obstruct justice. Prosecutors said Lohman and other unidentified officers conspired to fabricate witness statements, falsify reports of the incident and plant a gun in an attempt to make it appear the killings were justified. The shootings happened on Sept. 4, 2005, six days after the storm smashed levees and flooded 80 percent of the city. Survivors have said the officers fired at unarmed people who were crossing to get food at a grocery store."
-Huffington Post, Ex-Cop Pleads Guilty In Hurricane Katrina Killing Probe: 2 Shot, Killed On Danziger Bridge, 24 Feb 2010
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/24/excop-pleads-guilty-in-hu_n_4
75781.html


COP. 2. to steal; filch. 3. to buy (narcotics).
-Random House Unabridged Dictionary 2006

"Govt control of communications and transportation."
-Communist Manifesto, 6th Plank



This is how the criminal federal govt illegally vetoes its constitution by having private corporations illegally spy on their customers' phone calls and email without a search warrant signed by a judge, after they sign a contract for phone and internet services. LCD TV and computer monitors can have invisible cameras built in to the screen...

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Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:05 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Children have Constitutional rights...famous line from the Supreme Court "the Consitution does not stop at the schoolhouse gate". However they cannot exercise their rights absent parental consent. For example, a child cannot file a lawsuit, the parent files the suit on the child's behalf (noting for the record that their are limited circumstances that allow others to act 'in loco parentis' usually through an appointed child's advocate or agreement such as a school being authorized to arrange for emergency medical treatment on a field trip when the parent cannot be contacted in a reasonable time all of which go to the idea that a child cannot exercise their Constitutional rights without adult supervision).


There's actually probable cause to amend the parental consent stipulation, what with concerns about abuse.

But I suppose that's what hearings for emancipation are about. Still, there really ought to be a way for kids to act without parental consent if there really are rights violations going on and parents are complicit, without necessarily emancipating the kid from the parents. Not only might it protect the parents more, in the event that things lead to an emancipation hearing or if the violators try to drag the parents in, but it also gives kids a way to defend themselves.

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Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:01 PM

FREMDFIRMA



(We're workin on that, Byte.)

Formenting Dissent:

Man, you just can't buy satisfaction like this...

That horrible school my niece goes to sometime in the recent past discovered who her uncle is, prolly due to her telling them in a fit of rage I suspect, and ever since they've treated her with a bit more respect and a lot less bullshit as continuing to do so risks provoking the wrath of her "Faery Godfather" as she puts it.

Now, amusing that it is to see my perception of CCW reinforced that way even if your "weapon" is a purple Firefly...
http://www.fireflymobile.com/

I've generally not meddled, for which I am sure they're quite thankful since my last bit of meddling was the memorable student government/dress code disaster and that ain't by no means been forgotten.

I *DO* have issues with their surveillence though, and they were apparently plotting a similar laptop program, no doubt with lanrev or something similar.

Well, her homeroom has eighteen kids in it, and this particular homeroom teacher has a thing against candy with the usual "unless you brought enough for everybody" line of tripe.

So, while digging through the mess in this thread, I got a wild hair and shipped her nineteen boxes of Mike & Ike candy...
(heh heh heh)

So when the homeroom teacher calls her on munching it in class, undaunted, she pulls out the other eighteen boxes, and passes them around - mind you this stupid laptop incident has been the talk of her school for days now.

The teacher takes a look at the box, does a doubletake, and yells THAT IS NOT FUNNY!

The students disagreed, passionately, all but rolling out of their chairs.

And now I have a rather unhappy sounding message from the principal in my voicemail, oh boy, oh joy, accusing me of formenting disrespect for authority, school policy, etc etc...

That's gonna be a fun phone call tomorrow, I think.
Really though, what it amounts to is a shot across the bow in stern warning that such antics won't fly so well, and I wanted them to KNOW it.

But it *was* bloody hilarious, yeah.

-F

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Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:19 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Kwicko:




"Hero", I have never respected you. I may have to bring your quote about "intellegence" [sic] back as my signature if you're going to keep Chris's quote as yours. ;)


He only does it to embarrass me in my moment of bi-partisan weakness, I conjure.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:22 PM

BYTEMITE


Cheez-wiz, they're about to throw a hissy over CANDY? And call relatives over not obeying an arbitrary UNOFFICIAL class room rule?

I mean, she met the letter of the law of that stupid request. Are they that bureaucratic, that CONTROLLING that they would obsess over the spirit of the law in the TINIEST of infractions, when the rule is so poorly defined?

What the hell kind of school is this? I'm thankful my group of outsiders and misfits back in the day never had to put up with that kind of crap. Well, except one time I got in trouble for "reciting the national anthem wrong." I managed to twist my mockery of the monotone brainwashing into some sort of "patriotic" excuse, though, so I got out of it.

Oh yeah, and then the time we wanted to skip the "optional" vote for your student body council assembly to go get bagels, because it's a bunch of bullshit. And found that the school had blocked off all the gates to exit the grounds and had police cars patrolling the area. So we called the fire department, on account of the school having created a potential fire hazard, and got THEM all in trouble, hahahahaha. SUCKERS.

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Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:28 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

(We're workin on that, Byte.)

Formenting Dissent:

Man, you just can't buy satisfaction like this...

That horrible school my niece goes to sometime in the recent past discovered who her uncle is, prolly due to her telling them in a fit of rage I suspect, and ever since they've treated her with a bit more respect and a lot less bullshit as continuing to do so risks provoking the wrath of her "Faery Godfather" as she puts it.

Now, amusing that it is to see my perception of CCW reinforced that way even if your "weapon" is a purple Firefly...
http://www.fireflymobile.com/

I've generally not meddled, for which I am sure they're quite thankful since my last bit of meddling was the memorable student government/dress code disaster and that ain't by no means been forgotten.

I *DO* have issues with their surveillence though, and they were apparently plotting a similar laptop program, no doubt with lanrev or something similar.

Well, her homeroom has eighteen kids in it, and this particular homeroom teacher has a thing against candy with the usual "unless you brought enough for everybody" line of tripe.

So, while digging through the mess in this thread, I got a wild hair and shipped her nineteen boxes of Mike & Ike candy...
(heh heh heh)

So when the homeroom teacher calls her on munching it in class, undaunted, she pulls out the other eighteen boxes, and passes them around - mind you this stupid laptop incident has been the talk of her school for days now.

The teacher takes a look at the box, does a doubletake, and yells THAT IS NOT FUNNY!

The students disagreed, passionately, all but rolling out of their chairs.

And now I have a rather unhappy sounding message from the principal in my voicemail, oh boy, oh joy, accusing me of formenting disrespect for authority, school policy, etc etc...

That's gonna be a fun phone call tomorrow, I think.
Really though, what it amounts to is a shot across the bow in stern warning that such antics won't fly so well, and I wanted them to KNOW it.

But it *was* bloody hilarious, yeah.

-F




That is just beauty. "Fomenting disrespect for authority." Puh. Leeze. What we need in this country is MORE disrespect for authority. And why on Earth SHOULD any self-respecting kid respect their elders? What the fuck have we done for them, other than saddle them with a lifetime's worth of debt and a fucked-up planet to try to fix?

Respect is a two-way street, and it has to be given to be earned. Respect these kids and treat them as human freaking beings, and they just MIGHT start showing some respect back. Who knows, they might decide we're not all completely worthless and morally bankrupt, too. But I'm not willing to stretch it quite that far.

Shit, I've got half a mind to send her a case of the candies again, just as an added little "Eff YOU" to the school and the teacher. Feel free to mention that in your phone call tomorrow. :)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:59 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Cheez-wiz, they're about to throw a hissy over CANDY? And call relatives over not obeying an arbitrary UNOFFICIAL class room rule?

I mean, she met the letter of the law of that stupid request. Are they that bureaucratic, that CONTROLLING that they would obsess over the spirit of the law in the TINIEST of infractions, when the rule is so poorly defined?


Oh yes, they're that bad, always have been.

See, this *IS* the school I staged that pocket revolt on, when the student government cock-blocked their idiotic dress code, and that was twenty some years ago, and STILL not forgotten.

Which is also why they do not have uniforms, mind you.

And here's what really, REALLY scares them about all this...

Those kids involved in that revolt, back then ?

Are in many cases the PARENTS of the kids attending the school now, and so if I were to raise the revolution flag again, they'd be in shit so deep they'd drown, and believe me, they're *well* aware of that fact.

Also, apropros of nothin in particular, the fact that people like you exist is one of the things that gives me hope for the world yet, Byte.

-Frem
(and sends Justin into horrified tremors of panic, or did when I told him I liked you.)

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Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:11 PM

BYTEMITE


So what is it that creates an environment like that? Is it the school board? Some bigshot in the local community who's had a large say in policy? A long parade of inept and incompetent administrators who perpetuate a mindset, that teachers are coerced to go along with? Viral infection for previously unexposed people to "total douchebag" syndrome?

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Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:50 PM

FREMDFIRMA



You will find those answers here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisonous_pedagogy
http://nospank.net/dobson1.htm

That's just the quick capsule version for you, since you'll understand the concepts without further explanation.

-F

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Friday, February 26, 2010 9:14 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Yeah, that was kind of fun.

Bastard called me a terrorist - I pointed out that real terrorism is formenting an atmosphere of fear in order to make people obey you, which was more properly his baliwick than mine, and if fear is the only tool he has then he's an incompetent who oughta be standing in the unemployment line.

Then he tried the lameass excuse that teaching them to mock and disrespect authority was setting them up for criminal behavior and a future in the prison system, so I pointed out hey, have you LOOKED at the place you run, dude, cause yanno it's awfully damn similar, enough that prison would prolly feel downright homey to children you ALREADY treat like hardened criminals, and it's not authority I am teaching them to mock and disrespect, it's YOUR authority, because it is rooted in fear and violence instead of cooperation and respect - you don't give none, you don't GET none.

You goes on with how I "have no right" and shouldn't be holding some petty grudge over something that happened twenty years ago, so I dropped the hammer on him - "I HAVE EVERY RIGHT!" and light his ass up, asked him if we should just let that pesky little spat with the third reich go, since it was all over and done with, and it ain't twenty years ago, it's right NOW cause you're still doing the same exact abusive shit, only NOW you can't just brush me off cause imma kid and maybe there's a LESSON in there about the way your school treats people, oh and might I add, children *ARE* people, shithead, which you seem to have no concept of.

He blows a gasket, then the mask comes off, and he starts going into how lazy, disrepectful, worthless, immoral, untruthful - I mean layin it on, so I asked him if he hated children so bloody much, why'd he take a job in education ?

He hangs up, I call back - made it clear to the secretary he talks to me, or he talks to my lawyer, so he gets back on and cuts right to the chase, finally - "What do you WANT?!"

So I told him, either quit treating those kids like something you scraped off the bottom of your shoe, or find someone to replace you who will, and don't think it's *just* my niece who got me on your case and you can sleaze out of this by being nice to her (and good luck with that, as cynical and suspicious as she is, thanks in great part to YOU!) cause I am tapped into your own surveillence system six ways to sunday and I *will* know, asshole.

Of course, he threatens to have me charged with harrassment and hangs up, but having to delivered my ultimatium successfully, I had no reason to continue talkin to him...

Since that was only half the gameplan anyways.

The other half was my nieces homeroom class (along with, apparently, a few curious others) having sneaked out of lunch and hunkered down on the other side of the very thin wall of his office, listening to every word of it.

How long, ya think, before his verbal rampage about what scum they are makes the rounds of the student grapevine, eh ?
I give it about 2.5 hours.

Oh, did I mention that I bought a throwaway tracphone with 240 minutes on it, and said niece made sure the number has been making the rounds ?

Faery Godfather Hotline, indeed.



Oh, and further updates on the laptop spying thing ?

Again, they're LYING.

Contradictions in L. Merion Web-cam case
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/20100225_Contradictions_in_
L__Merion_Web-cam_case.html


As explained here...
http://market-ticker.org/archives/1999-The-True-Issues-at-LMSD-And-Els
ewhere.html


And here.
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/20278/Oh_Oh..._New_Allegations_LMSD_:_T
old_You_So_Spying_on_kids.html


It seems they were using a VPN mirror, so it wasn't ONLY the webcam, it was both more invasive and extensive, on top of which, from the explanations I've heard, one of the methods to prevent the kids from detecting or disabling it was an automatic coverup feature that deleted the EVIDENCE of them spying, how... convenient.

I'd give much to have one of OUR comp-forensics folk work over the server, cause I bet that would be very, very informative.

-Frem

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Friday, February 26, 2010 9:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


You, sir, are my hero!


Well done, and keep up the good work!

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Friday, February 26, 2010 10:56 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
He only does it to embarrass me in my moment of bi-partisan weakness, I conjure.


Actually I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right.

My being right gives you the freedom to engage in your liberal fantasy.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Friday, February 26, 2010 11:06 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:

Actually I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right.




You've failed, your Highness. I'll never join you.


The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, February 26, 2010 12:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
He only does it to embarrass me in my moment of bi-partisan weakness, I conjure.


Actually I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right.

My being right gives you the freedom to engage in your liberal fantasy.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.





That's it - I'm changing my signature back.




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, February 26, 2010 3:08 PM

CHRISISALL


Me too.


The laughing Chrisisall

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, February 26, 2010 3:15 PM

CHRISISALL


And more.


The laughing Chrisisall

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions, if you can frakkin' believe it! OOops! Freudian slip!!!

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Friday, February 26, 2010 3:20 PM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
He only does it to embarrass me in my moment of bi-partisan weakness, I conjure.


Actually I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right.

My being right gives you the freedom to engage in your liberal fantasy.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.




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Friday, February 26, 2010 3:24 PM

AURAPT0R


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
He only does it to embarrass me in my moment of bi-partisan weakness, I conjure.


Actually I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right.

My being right gives you the freedom to engage in your liberal fantasy.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.




Hero, why do you feel the need to be right, to have others acknolodge you to be right

Did someone in your past not treat you well, ignore you, or not acknowlege you ?


You can be a good person without being right

Before you try to get respect here you need to respect yourself





Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first.

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Friday, February 26, 2010 3:43 PM

CHRISISALL


Even better.


The laughing Chrisisall

"I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right." - The Imperial Hero Strikes Back, 2010

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Friday, February 26, 2010 4:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURAPT0R:
Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
He only does it to embarrass me in my moment of bi-partisan weakness, I conjure.


Actually I only do it to to remind you that I'm right and that deep down, you know I'm right, you want me to be right, you need me to be right.

My being right gives you the freedom to engage in your liberal fantasy.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.




Hero, why do you feel the need to be right, to have others acknolodge you to be right

Did someone in your past not treat you well, ignore you, or not acknowlege you ?


You can be a good person without being right

Before you try to get respect here you need to respect yourself





Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first.




0 for 2. Repeat after me:

"ACKNOWLEDGE"


You're worse at this than the real Rappy. That is not meant as a compliment.


By the way, how do you pluralize the word "terrorist"?





(Just checking) :)

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, February 26, 2010 4:46 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


School used laptop webcams to spy on kids at home





***************************************************************

Silence is consent.

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Friday, February 26, 2010 6:29 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
School used laptop webcams to spy on kids at home





***************************************************************

Silence is consent.




Touché!




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Monday, March 1, 2010 3:59 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by AURAPT0R:
Hero, why do you feel the need to be right, to have others acknolodge you to be right


Its not a need...I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Monday, March 1, 2010 7:40 AM

BYTEMITE


Okay, either you're just messing with Kwicko and Chris right back, or you're letting their teasing get to you, Hero.

If it's the former, then ya'll have fun, but if it's the later, that's exactly how Kwicko and Chris are going to take it, and it sets yourself up for ridicule.

You're a LAWYER, you know better than anyone it's not right or wrong, it's who can argue their sides better.

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Monday, March 1, 2010 8:11 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ooo, can I play too?



"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Monday, March 1, 2010 9:16 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Okay, either you're just messing with Kwicko and Chris right back, or you're letting their teasing get to you, Hero.


Didn't even notice the teasing. Heard a lot of bitching, whining, and crazytalk. No teasing...

Funny thing is I'm not messing with them. They know I'm right but are rarely able to muster the intellectual honosty to admit to themselves that which they know in their hearts to be good and true. Thus whatever anger and frustration they feel is self-inflicted.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Monday, March 1, 2010 9:20 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Okay, either you're just messing with Kwicko and Chris right back, or you're letting their teasing get to you, Hero.


Didn't even notice the teasing. Heard a lot of bitching, whining, and crazytalk. No teasing...

Funny thing is I'm not messing with them. They know I'm right but are rarely able to muster the intellectual honosty to admit to themselves that which they know in their hearts to be good and true. Thus whatever anger and frustration they feel is self-inflicted.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.




The intellectual WHAT?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

"Hero", if you ever want to have an ACTUAL intellectually honest discussion, it will be your very first one here. You say you want to discuss issues, and every time I try to bring up actual issues and nail you down on them, you run away on "vacation" yet again. You and Rappy are one and the same, it would seem; neither of you can even conceptualize the IDEA of admitting that you've ever been wrong, about ANYTHING, and keep breaking your own arms slapping yourselves on the back about your "superior intellect", which you magically can't then seem to summon.




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Monday, March 1, 2010 9:22 AM

BYTEMITE


The tone of that last one sounded snarky to me. Yup, he's playing us, trying to distract us from the issue at hand and getting a good laugh over how easy it is.

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