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40! Senators now support the public option!

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Tuesday, March 9, 2010 4:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Three more Democratic senators said on Tuesday that they would either support the public option in a Senate floor vote or were heavily leaning that way.

Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii) told HuffPost that if the public insurance option comes up for a vote under reconciliation, he will vote for it it. "I would support it, yes," he said.

That puts the number of publicly committed supporters at 38 and the number of likely supporters well into the forties. With a push from the White House, the public option is now within striking distance.

Two of those likely supporters are Sens. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) and Jon Tester (D-Mont.).
www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/09/still-surging-public-opti_n_492363.h
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Tuesday, March 9, 2010 5:09 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Interesting that most people don't really know what "public option" means.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/08/poll-most-dont-know-what-public
-option.html






"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, March 9, 2010 8:13 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


YES! I heard tonight it was 40, but I can't find anything on line to verify that. I'm guessing with Chris Dodd on board, it may bring a few more...one can only hope.

Oh, wait, I found it:
Quote:

40 senators have spoken out so far — including Harry Reid
Name Status
Sen. Daniel Akaka HI Statement
Sen. Max Baucus MT Unknown
Sen. Evan Bayh IN Unknown
Sen. Mark Begich AK Unknown
Sen. Michael Bennet CO Letter
Sen. Jeff Bingaman NM Statement
Sen. Barbara Boxer CA Letter
Sen. Sherrod Brown OH Letter
Sen. Roland Burris IL Letter
Sen. Robert Byrd WV Unknown
Sen. Maria Cantwell WA Statement
Sen. Benjamin Cardin MD Statement
Sen. Thomas Carper DE Unknown
Sen. Robert Casey PA Statement
Sen. Kent Conrad ND Unknown
Sen. Christopher Dodd CT Statement
Sen. Byron Dorgan ND Statement
Sen. Richard Durbin IL Statement
Sen. Russell Feingold WI Statement
Sen. Dianne Feinstein CA Letter
Sen. Al Franken MN Letter
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand NY Letter
Sen. Kay Hagan NC Unknown
Sen. Tom Harkin IA Unknown
Sen. Daniel Inouye HI Letter
Sen. Tim Johnson SD Letter
Sen. Ted Kaufman DE Statement
Sen. John Kerry MA Letter
Sen. Amy Klobuchar MN Statement
Sen. Herb Kohl WI Unknown
Sen. Mary Landrieu LA Unknown
Sen. Frank Lautenberg NJ Letter
Sen. Patrick Leahy VT Letter
Sen. Carl Levin MI Letter
Sen. Blanche Lincoln AR Unknown
Sen. Claire McCaskill MO Unknown
Sen. Robert Menendez NJ Letter
Sen. Jeff Merkley OR Letter
Sen. Barbara Mikulski MD Letter
Sen. Patty Murray WA Statement
Sen. Bill Nelson FL Unknown
Sen. Ben Nelson NE Unknown
Sen. Mark Pryor AR Unknown
Sen. Jack Reed RI Letter
Sen. Harry Reid NV Statement
Sen. John Rockefeller WV Unknown
Sen. Bernie Sanders VT Letter
Sen. Charles Schumer NY Letter
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen NH Letter
Sen. Arlen Specter PA Letter
Sen. Debbie Stabenow MI Letter
Sen. Jon Tester MT Statement
Sen. Mark Udall CO Statement
Sen. Tom Udall NM Letter
Sen. Mark Warner VA Unknown
Sen. Jim Webb VA Unknown
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse RI Letter
Sen. Ron Wyden OR Statement

Statements are only counted if they make clear that the senator will vote yes if the House version of the public option (or stronger) is brought up for a vote in reconciliation

http://whipcongress.com/

As to people knowing what "public option" means; yes, many are confused, and not just because of Republican misinformation. The White House hasn't stepped up to make clear what the possibilities would be and which would be the most likely. The one that could go into effect the minute the President signed it would be MediCare for all, which I think is the best choice; why set up a new bureaucracy when you already have a working health care mechanism?

Yes, I know it's not perfect; but something HAS to be done, somehow, some way, in my opinion.

It's the idea of CHOICE is what's at stake, and according to your cite:
Quote:

More generally, there seems to be a sort of arm's-race on both sides of the debate to conduct crappy, manipulative polls on health care reform, and the public option in particular. This poll belongs in the 'crap' pile, as do most of the others. Defenders of the public option, however, should have little to fret about: the most neutrally and accurately-worded polls on the public option -- these are the ones from Quinnipiac and Time/SRBI -- suggest that their position is in the majority, with 56-62 percent of the public supporting the public option and 33-36 percent opposed.



"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, March 10, 2010 5:55 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:

As to people knowing what "public option" means; yes, many are confused, and not just because of Republican misinformation. The White House hasn't stepped up to make clear what the possibilities would be and which would be the most likely. The one that could go into effect the minute the President signed it would be MediCare for all, which I think is the best choice; why set up a new bureaucracy when you already have a working health care mechanism?


Which is what I originally suggested, complete with a full explanation of how and why using and improving the existing infrastructure, poor that it is, would be a better solution than trusting subcompetent politicians to create one out of whole cloth.

And I still think that's the only realistically viable choice we got that'll be in any way effective in time for the folks who are bitchin/voting to see any benefit from it.

-F

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Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:05 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Want to know what's in the bill? Want to know what public option means? Want to know how much it will cost you? Want to know anything about any part of the thousands of pages of legalese authorizing huge Govt. control and expansion?....Well, just ask Nancy Pelosi....Ooops, she won't tell you, and she even said so at her press conference earlier this week...

“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy. Furthermore, we believe that health care reform, again I said at the beginning of my remarks, that we sent the three pillars that the President’s economic stabilization and job creation initiatives were education and innovation—innovation begins in the classroom—clean energy and climate, addressing the climate issues in an innovative way to keep us number one and competitive in the world with the new technology, and the third, first among equals I may say, is health care, health insurance reform."


Speaking of "fog" Mrs. Speaker, it looks like too much of that San Francisco fog has found permanent residence inside your skull.

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Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:15 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup, she sounds almost as garbled as...well, you'll probably get on my case for saying it...BUSH! Seriously, I can't think of anyone off hand who had so much trouble trying to put her point across!

On the other hand, tho', I'm guessing by "we" she meant the American public, tho' possibly she meant the changes the Senate is going to put in. I wonder if they and their House members have even DISCUSSED the changes?? 'Cuz the House is going to go up in if they don't take some of the crap out, and maybe put some of the stuff taken OUT back in...


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:39 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Niki, you surprised me with that one. Nice to see that you have similar concerns. I often wonder how someone can be so rightous, so convinced, so elitist, and so damn dismissive of others when they have not yet seen The Bill. Lord only knows how Stupak and his buds are being "handled". He's going to cave for sure, and then the House can approve the Senate Bill. But that will leave out the public option, so is that a victory for anybody supporting Healthcare reform?

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Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:00 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Lord only knows how Stupak and his buds are being "handled".


Blackmail is such an ugly word, isn't it ?

The dipshit did not cover his tracks financially, and if he doesn't take a dive, he'll get the same treatment him and his ilk dished out to Spitzer, cause ole Black Bart was even LESS discreet about somehow spending far more money than he actually reported as income...

As for Pelosi, given that it seems *everyone* hates her, I've begun to wonder if the folks who sent her back up there did so out of bile fascination and the notion of having a politician available to hate on without feeling guilty about.

In the end this is gonna come down to the simple expediency that america as a whole is very pissed off, and when they're all pissed off about the same thing, even if their reasons are different, it gets a little hot for the politicans they're pissed off AT.

I may well invest in the notion of a franchise sidewalk stand offering buckets of dark corn syrup (cheaper than tar) and bags of chicken feathers, cause this goes on much longer, one could probably make a buck offa the ire.

-F

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Wednesday, March 10, 2010 9:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Why surprised, JS? I call out stupidity and what I feel is wrong when I see it. I have in other threads when I think the current administration is wrong or doing something stupid...have you missed those references? I even start entire THREADS on things I disagree with or think are stupid, and I try to respond to each thread individually--I'm sure I've agreed with you on things in the past, haven't I?

Oops, it just occurred to me that your post might be all sarcasm. I don't think I'm "so rightous, so convinced, so elitist, and so damn dismissive of others"...dismissive of idiots and liars in the government, certainly, and I suppose I come off righteous at times (in part it's how I post, not intentional, because I certainly never FEEL "righteous"), and yes, I'm convinced. I think doing something is better than doing nothing at this juncture; if they're defeated, I fear it will be decades before anyone tries again and it can be revised. The very last thing I have ever been is "elitist", unless it's possible for someone hanging onto the rungs of lower middle class by their fingernails to be "elite"!

I really DO try to be as fair as I can, I'm not an ideolog, whether you believe it or not. There are many things wrong right now on both sides, and much I disagree with in the health care bill. I've got no compunction to defend what I dsagree with.

Gawd, I hope they stomp on Stupak; if he gets his way, it will be one more reprehensible thing. Bastard.

You know, Frem, I've wondered the same thing. Pelosi is GREAT at making herself an unpopular target, and she draws a lot of fire which might otherwise be headed someone "else's" direction, eh?

It's long been a thing in politics to stick someone easily hated out there to draw fire...I wouldn't be at all surprised. We in CA have long known about Pelosi and she's relatively unpopular here, so it came as no surprise to us she was equally unpopular as Speaker.

Here's a real tease for you: What if the Dems either ram through the public option and surprise everyone, or include some kind of "Medicare for all" in the revisions they're making? Wouldn't that be a GAS?! If they've downplayed it and kept such a plan on the QT (can you DO that in Congress???), I'd love to see it. Like I've said before, I'm allowed to dream!! And the number of Senators coming on board has been growing steadily. Given it's what the PUBLIC has wanted all along, and Medicare For All could be implemented as soon as Obama signs it...aaawww, wouldn't it be loverly...

Of course, I know the Repubs next move is to keep adding "amendments" to the reconciliation bill, whatever it looks like, in hopes of wearing them down...we'll just have to see how they deal with that. We all know it's coming.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:27 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Niki, I was refering to Pelosi there, certainly not you. We have a better posting relationship than that for goodness sake! I used the word "surprised" because it's just a little unusual to see someone as honest as you; someone who will, as you say, be critical of people and positions within your own general ideology...therefore proving that you are no ideologue.

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Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:38 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, whew, that's a relief! I know some here see me as a rampant liberal (well, in some ways I am) and unwilling to acknowledge any wrongs in this administration, but I didn't think you were one of them! Thanx.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:06 AM

STORYMARK


The Public Option bill was introduced on the floor this morning.

It's length - 4 pages. No more bitching about the length (though they probably will).

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:22 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Really? Really? I hadn't heard.

What does it mean?I guess they have the votes or they wouldn't introduce it...but it IS the House, not the Senate.

Nonetheless: Ooo, ooo, ooo!!! I found it:
Quote:

Congressman Alan Grayson, (D-Orlando), today introduced a bill (H.R. 4789) which would give the option to buy into Medicare to every citizen of the United States. The “Public Option Act,” also known as the “Medicare You Can Buy Into Act,” would open up the Medicare network to anyone who can pay for it.

Congressman Grayson said, “Obviously, America wants and needs more competition in health coverage, and a public option offers that. But it’s just as important that we offer people not just another choice, but another kind of choice. A lot of people don’t want to be at the mercy of greedy insurance companies that will make money by denying them the care that they need to stay healthy, or to stay alive. We deserve to have a real alternative.”

The bill would require the Secretary of Health and Human Services to establish enrollment periods, coverage guidelines, and premiums for the program. Because premiums would be equal to cost, the program would pay for itself.

“The government spent billions of dollars creating a Medicare network of providers that is only open to one-eighth of the population. That’s like saying, ‘Only people 65 and over can use federal highways.’ It is a waste of a very valuable resource and it is not fair. This idea is simple, it makes sense, and it deserves an up-or-down vote,” Congressman Grayson said.

In keeping with the “Grayson style,” the bill is clear and concise. It is only four pages.

It WOULD be Grayson...go Alan!!!

Yeah, I know it's still a dream, but it's A START!! Oh, hell, this is worth its own thread...



"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:54 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Anyone know how many we've got now? I didn't follow the news yesterday, so I don't know if anyone else "signed on".


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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