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Norrie May-Welby, 48, was born a man but had a sex change operation in 1990, at the age of 28.

After becoming unhappy as a woman, May-Welby decided to become a “neuter”. The 48-year-old is now officially recognised as a person of no specific gender.

May-Welby emigrated to Australia at the age of seven after being born in Paisley, Renfrewshire.

Officials there altered the Briton’s birth certificate to include the new no-gender classification after doctors were apparently unable to determine the sex of the expat’s body.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I gotta ask, why does it matter? if you ever met this person in real life, you might have a "What's that, it's Pat!" moment, but otherwise wouldn't you just pass him/her and not really give them much notice? If it's just the surgery that squicks you out, under what circumstances would you find out that this person had undergone surgery?

How does this affect you, and what does it matter?

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I gotta ask, why does it matter? if you ever met this person in real life, you might have a "What's that, it's Pat!" moment, but otherwise wouldn't you just pass him/her and not really give them much notice? If it's just the surgery that squicks you out, under what circumstances would you find out that this person had undergone surgery?

How does this affect you, and what does it matter?

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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Cross dressing? No problem! Drag queens and kings? No problem? Tweaking gender stereotypes through performance? No problem! Cool even. I am a beast, but I like to mince, and I like the disconnect between the two. Let's muck around with gender roles! Yay!

Tweaking gender stereotypes through...surgery? Ok, I've reached the point where I feel like a bigot, and it bothers me a bit. that is all. wouldn't call for a jihad against poor (insert pronoun here) or try to make their already complicated life any worse...

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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
ultimately, nothing matters, but to see gender treated as something plastic is to gaze into a chasm of horror (at least for someone, like me, whose pathetic identity is 99% invested in being a dude).

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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
ultimately, nothing matters, but to see gender treated as something plastic is to gaze into a chasm of horror (at least for someone, like me, whose pathetic identity is 99% invested in being a dude).

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I like that you're self-aware about it, and honest. Since you're not looking to put any restrictions on this person's life choices and gender identification, even theoretically, that's really as much of a reaction as one can realistically demand.

I find the concept of clinging to gender interesting, though. Is your emotional reaction one of.. I guess, fear that something is being taken away from you and your gender by creating alternative options? (I say emotional because your rational reaction seems quite separate from that.)

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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
kwicko, re: fake boobies. they are gross, but they do not really bother me, and are not really spot on for this issue. they don't really cross the great divide of gender so much as ridiculously emphasize a pre-existing gender characteristic. not a blurring of a line, but a thickening of it. still rather tacky in my opinion.

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Ahem. I beg to differ. As Exhibit A, may I present to you...

Leslie.

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its an emotional reaction, and one probably better left unexplored (unless i really want to gross myself out, and others). i confess an absolutely fucked up relationship with gender. on one hand, i conform to, and cherish, masculine gender stereotypes (i am easily mistaken for a neanderthal). on the other hand, i'm mincing and have the tastes of a 6 year old girl. sometimes i delight in the incongruity; sometimes it makes me uncomfortable.

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Oh, hell, be what you are, and enjoy life. It's too short to get worked up about the little stuff. Hell, I've skipped across the warehouse before, just for the hell of it, and BECAUSE it would look so incongruous of me, a 6'8", 260-pound giant, to do such a silly thing.

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to see physical gender, not gender roles, reduced to something plastic and fluid through the medium of surgery is surreal. my gut tells met that if reflects upon me, while my brain tells me i am an idiot. i dunno, i can only liken my reaction to what a tea partier must feel when someone burns the american flag.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
then SHE was spayed (not the first, see hysterectomy),

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