Lieberman, McCain propose military tyranny (not PN) by SignyM

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Lieberman, McCain propose military tyranny (not PN)

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
UPDATED: Friday, March 19, 2010 11:49
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Friday, March 19, 2010 8:00 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

"Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010"

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Whenever within the United States, its territories, and possessions, or outside the territorial limits of the United States, an individual is captured or otherwise comes into the custody or under the effective control of the United States who is suspected of engaging in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners through an act of terrorism, or by other means in violation of the laws of war, or of purposely and materially supporting such hostilities, and who may be an unprivileged enemy belligerent, the individual shall be placed in military custody for purposes of initial interrogation and determination of status in accordance with the provisions of this Act.

In other words... anyone, anywhere, who is even suspected of assisting hostilities against the United States, by any means including but not limited to terrorism, can be indefinitely jailed and interrogated by the military

www.alternet.org/rights/146081/mccain_and_lieberman%27s_%22enemy_belli
gerent%22_act_could_set_u.s._on_path_to_military_dictatorship.

I'm giving a special shout-out to my Republican friends on this one. If you're a real American, you'll oppose this.

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Friday, March 19, 2010 8:26 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

And then when you read what constitutes terrorism according to the USPATRIOT Act - certain free software, Sea Shepherd - it gives you pause. If it doesn't, I'd wonder why.

BTW - this is exactly why I didn't like McCain. Can you imagine what he would have done if elected ? As for LIEberman, he needs to be voted out asap. Sad to say, it was republicans who voted him in, and from whom he gets most of his support. So I don't have much hope of that happening any time in the near future.

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Silence is consent.

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Friday, March 19, 2010 8:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Ditto. Would have been scary if McCain/Palin won...especially Palin...but McCain is the one who would have been "BushLite"...if even THAT!

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, March 19, 2010 8:43 AM

OUT2THEBLACK

I was wanting to post about this yesterday , but was out of time...

I have hopes that there's a vacant tiger cage in Vietnam that still has his name on it...

It wouldn't take a lot of coin to send him back , and find a similar accomodation for his ZOG partner...

Signy , it 's worse than you know , by far...
More about it , later...

" So this is how Liberty dies...To thunderous applause ! " --Padme Amidala

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&a
ddress=104x3689220

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Friday, March 19, 2010 8:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Out, on this one you and I are of one mind!

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Friday, March 19, 2010 9:01 AM

RIVERLOVE

Bill has little chance of getting to the floor for a vote, and no chance of ever passing both Houses if it did get a vote.

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Friday, March 19, 2010 9:03 AM

OUT2THEBLACK

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Out, on this one you and I are of one mind!

Well , in that case , I'm sending you an invoice for the rent !

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Friday, March 19, 2010 9:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

*cricket chirps*

The silence is deafening from our Republican friends....

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Friday, March 19, 2010 9:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

RUE: Yeah. Terrorism? Does that mean... strikes? Boycotts? Economic sanctions of some sort? Honest discussion of a particular company's products, or stocks? Reverse engineeering? Benchmarking? (MS forbids the last three by their EULA.)

The whole definition of terrorism is just so friggin' loosey-goosey that ANY self-respecting American should oppose this.

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Friday, March 19, 2010 9:30 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

No kidding.

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Friday, March 19, 2010 10:07 AM

RIVERLOVE

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Originally posted by out2theblack:

I have hopes that there's a vacant tiger cage in Vietnam that still has his name on it...

Riiiight, 'cause he didn't suffer nearly enough in the Hanoi Hilton hellhole all those years. Yeah, having to have lived his life as half a cripple just isn't punishment enough for you.

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Friday, March 19, 2010 10:14 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by SignyM:
RUE: Yeah. Terrorism? Does that mean... strikes? Boycotts? Economic sanctions of some sort? Honest discussion of a particular company's products, or stocks? Reverse engineeering? Benchmarking? (MS forbids the last three by their EULA.)

The whole definition of terrorism is just so friggin' loosey-goosey that ANY self-respecting American should oppose this.

Actually, that's pretty much EXACTLY what it means. After all, the main aim of terrorism is to disrupt economies and affect spending. Boycotts, strikes, derision of products... all those are aimed at affecting spending and hurting corporations, which would fit the definition of terrorism.

So if you were planning on boycotting Toyota, you're a terrorist; if you were planning on staging a sit-in to oppose having to buy mandatory health care coverage, you're a terrorist.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, March 19, 2010 10:30 AM

JONGSSTRAW

My "Outlook" e-mail Thesaurus defines terrorist the following way:

Radical
Fanatic
Activist
Revolutionary
Rebel

Guess they haven't updated it in a long while. I've been all those things during my life, and I 'aint never killed no one.

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Friday, March 19, 2010 10:41 AM

OUT2THEBLACK

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

...Riiiight, 'cause he didn't suffer nearly enough in the Hanoi Hilton hellhole all those years. Yeah, having to have lived his life as half a cripple just isn't punishment enough for you.

Or, apparently not enough for him...

Ask the Folk who knew him then :

'...The other and most amusing of the group was an Air Force retiree from the Ozarks called "Bud Day." Bud was a tough bird, very outspoken and very well liked.
He had a few points he made very clearly during our correspondence. One was John McCain.

Bud thought John McCain was a "bullshitter." (continued…)

Bud also had advocated the immediate jailing and court martial of many many returned POWs and was bitter about the coverup. He never said McCain was one of these although McCain has been accused by Bush supporters of collaboration with the North Vietnamese at the "swiftboat" site, www.usvetdsp.com.

I like John McCain and some of the things he has done to try to clean up the political process. However, the real John McCain has a reputation, well deserved, for helping coverup the fact that POWs were left behind and both he and John Kerry were quick to forgive North Vietnam when it turned out there was money to be made using their slave labor for American corporations.

What McCain has never been has been a real friend and supporter of Veterans. He simply hasn’t had the attention span, personal inclination or time.

John McCain has consistently voted against Veterans every time he has had the chance… http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=S0061103.

...I tend, at times, to lean a bit hard on the self aggrandizing. McCain learned honesty by being caught stealing. He grew up moderately wealthy and powerful. He received considerable special treatment as a POW and has been accused to overstating personal torture. North Vietnam offered to release him entirely because of his prominent father but he refused. This is to his credit, but it also clearly indicates that he was "special".'

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2008/01/21/lead-story-on-bud-day-and-mcca
in-somewhat-bullshit/

Special , indeed ?

Colonel Bud Day said that all McCain could talk about while in that 'hellhole' was " pussy , pussy , pussy ". He , a married man , supposedly 'an Officer and a Gentleman' , and he could find little else to speak of with fellow POW's other than his sexual conquests ?

Take care how you choose your 'heroes'...

For further reading :

http://www.amazon.com/American-Patriot-Life-Wars-Colonel/dp/0316067393
/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269031215&sr=1-1

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Friday, March 19, 2010 11:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Meanwhile, that self-described patriot Rappy - while going apopletic* about freedom, independence, and government-imposed health insurance - is STILL silent on this topic.

I guess he's more worried about having his money taken away than his freedom.

* Careful there, boy. You might wind up in a hospital.

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Friday, March 19, 2010 11:49 AM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Actually, that's pretty much EXACTLY what it means. After all, the main aim of terrorism is to disrupt economies and affect spending. Boycotts, strikes, derision of products... all those are aimed at affecting spending and hurting corporations, which would fit the definition of terrorism.

So if you were planning on boycotting Toyota, you're a terrorist; if you were planning on staging a sit-in to oppose having to buy mandatory health care coverage, you're a terrorist.

The aim of terrorism is to promote or enforce a political goal through violence and fear of violence against civilian populations. It's a tactic, and I simply don't agree that it's definition isn't fairly well delineated. In fact as a tactic, it's not that different from enforcing your goals on another nation by invading or threatening to invade, save for budget of the people doing the threatening. The only problem is that people use it incorrectly as a pejorative in order to slur their enemy. Most of the time it's used much like "Gook" or "Jerry".

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