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Maryland not dying to be "Dixie"

POSTED BY: NIKI2
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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I can dig it!
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Maryland's official song may include a line about "Northern scum" left over from the Civil War era, but the state isn't feeling so Southern anymore.

Though Marylanders live just south of the Mason-Dixon Line, their attitudes and even their accents straddle that border. These days, leaders feel they've got more in common with states to the north.

In one sign of the shift, lawmakers successfully petitioned to move from the Southern Region of the Council of State Governments to the Eastern Region, where they'll be able to trade ideas with fellow officials from Pennsylvania, New York, and other states they consider more like-minded.

It's unusual for states to switch regions in the 77-year-old council, which provides a forum for state officials to share ideas. It also shares environmental interests in preserving the Chesapeake Bay with states there, although fellow bay state Virginia is in the Southern Region.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/22/maryland-not-dying-to-
be-dixie
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"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:40 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Pfftth, given the shit Lincoln pulled on them back then, I ain't surprised they've held a grudge this long, not at all.

But yeah, it's long past time to maybe let go of the hate, long as they don't forget what *can* happen if you don't step up quick when the Gov starts gettin outta hand - had they done so, things mighta gone a different way.

-F

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:44 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hee, hee, hee; in the same article, further down, it says:
Quote:

While Maryland was officially in the Union, President Abraham Lincoln had to send troops to occupy Baltimore to keep the state in line. Recent attempts to update the state song, "Maryland, My Maryland," which describes the occupation as "the despot's heel upon thy shore" and includes the mention of "Northern scum," have failed.
Not QUITE gone yet, tho' obviously the movement is there.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:07 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh yeah, well, given how deep the screwing went...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Plot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Riot_of_1861
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On May 13, the Union army entered Baltimore, occupied the city, and declared martial law. The mayor, city council, and police commissioner, who were pro-South and seemingly incompetent at maintaining order in the situation, were arrested and imprisoned at Fort McHenry. Meanwhile, the states of Arkansas and Tennessee seceded on May 6. Some Southerners reacted with hostility to the battle; James Ryder Randall, a teacher in Louisiana but a native Marylander who had lost a friend in the riots, wrote "Maryland, My Maryland" for the Southern cause in response to the riots.[13] The poem was later set to music popular in the South, and referred to the riots with lines such as "Avenge the patriotic gore / That flecked the streets of Baltimore." It was not until seventy-eight years later that it became Maryland's state song; there have been efforts to remove it since.

After the occupation of the city, Union troops were garrisoned throughout the state. Several members of the Maryland legislature were arrested, days before a delayed secession vote, and the state was placed under direct federal administration.



That was also, the very start of my family's long standing feud with the Pinkertons, which continued through the UMWA and their union busting, the battle of Matewan, carried off by ancestor Sid Hatfield, and continues to this day both at the pitiful remnants of them under Securitas AB, and a certain antagonism with the USDOJ, which was initially founded upon the bedrock of those murderous goons, to the point where it became necessary to pass a law forbidding the practice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Pinkerton_Act
(Which, FYI, Blackwater and Dyncorp were, and are, in violation of, mind you.)

Anyhows, a LOT of history there, and not very much of it pleasant, my family line hails from the same crazy hill folk who founded the Watauga Association, came over the mountain and whooped up on Ferguson, and tried to build the State of Franklin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watauga_Association
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overmountain_Men
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Franklin

We've always been a restive, feisty lot, never more so than under the hard heel of ole Devil hisself (Devil Anse Hatfield) and not much carin for the notion of takin someone else's orders.

You might say it's a family tradition.

-F

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:33 AM

KANEMAN


"Though Marylanders live just south of the Mason-Dixon Line, their attitudes and even their accents straddle that border. These days, leaders feel they've got more in common with states to the north."


Well, here in CT, our accents are more in common with "dixie". My god,have you ever heard a guy from Maine, Mass, New york, or new Hamphire in comparision to Ct....what a difference....no idea what this guys point is. Sounds like "southernbashing" to this northerner.......

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:22 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Gee, I didn't know
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These days, leaders feel they've got more in common with states to the north
was Southbashing. Huh...learn something new every day!

I believe it said their accents STRADDLE the border, not that they were dramatically different. But that's okay, pick that one partial sentence out to attack, that's logical.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 11:32 AM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
That was also, the very start of my family's long standing feud with the Pinkertons,

You've seen Deadwood, right? They never really got to expand on the frequent references to the Pinkertons...

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hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:57 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Any state above NORTH Carolina is considered Northern in my book anyways.



Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Tuesday, March 23, 2010 1:23 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Any state above NORTH Carolina is considered Northern in my book anyways.





Yeah, but you're known far and wide for being not very bright.

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:48 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by mal4prez:
You've seen Deadwood, right? They never really got to expand on the frequent references to the Pinkertons...


Alas no, I don't watch television, not even cable stuff, Firefly and Space: Above and Beyond were the only exceptions to that in years.

But the Pinkertons, they were prettymuch Blackwater, with better publicity since the robber barons (culminating in the Hearst media empire, then Sinclair for broadcast) owned the papers back then - they were far more goons for hire than anything else, and murderous ones at that, most of their "investigations" involved military contacts, bribery and nefarious deeds you certainly couldn't get away with today so easily, and weren't really all that effective since they were quick enough to take credit even if the berk they were hunting ran afoul of trouble of his own creation.

Not just family history, but there's also a certain professional antagonism involved in my dislike of Blackwater, Dyncorp, Wackenhut, Executive Outcomes and suchlike, since I was originally with Eagle A-1 Security Services, Advance, and now run my own little bitty shop - there's a certain ethical standard I think should be held to, and those that did hold to it got crushed out of business by the lowlifes, which is something I kinda hold a grudge about.

-F

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