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"The Black Commie Nazi Did It!" (not PN)

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:56 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


If it weren't so real, and so sad, it would be funny:
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Did anyone punch anyone? Was there any actual blood? I think I might've missed it.

Did Pelosi kick John Boehner in the testicles and then run away laughing before a screeching Virginia Foxx grabbed her by the hair, pulled her to the floor and punched her in the kidneys?

Did just about everyone on the House floor bitch-slap Bart Stupak -- who should right now vanish of the face of the earth forevermore, you simpering mealworm -- while Rahm Emmanuel head-butted Harry Reid, even as both burned a sneering Newt Gingrich doll in effigy? I might've been dreaming.
Did Obama finally strut in like a prize-fighter, like a Muay Thai boxer, bruised and exhausted after a solid year of this insane, polarizing BS, the viciousness of which even he never imagined? Did he deliver a dazzling barrage of calm, swift kicks to the heads of bitchy Repubs and nervous Dems alike, as everything devolved into a violent, smoke-filled melee of broken glass and shattered dentures, with little Joe Lieberman whimpering in the corner, rocking back and forth, wondering whatever happened to his integrity?

I don't think any of that happened. It sure felt like it happened. Maybe it should have happened. But I guess it didn't.

Behold, with the astonishing passage of flawed-but-incredible health care reform, we have the concomitant, frightening realization that this remains one of the most acidic, bitter, hopelessly divisive times to live in America and care a whit for national politics while maintaining a shred of morality, hope, a progressive soul.

Like millions, I was fairly convinced it simply could not get much worse or more acrimonious than when Dubya ran the nation into the ground, embarrassing and humiliating us planetwide a thousand times over as the rogue idiot pseudo-cowboy laughingstock war-hungry prick of the civilized world. I was wrong. But not in the way I imagined.

As Paul Krugman rightly points out, most Dems in the HCR fight reluctantly took their cues from Obama himself; they were inspired and urged to move from a place of genuinely trying to do what's right, a rather simple moral good for the nation, even at the expense of their own careers, all led by Obama's genuine ideal that basic health care is a national right, not a privilege.

In short, despite all their whining and infighting, the left wasn't pushing HCR because they wanted to stick it to the GOP. They weren't pushing it because they wanted to personally profit from various corporate cronies, though I'm sure some certainly will. They weren't pushing it due to multiple personal agendas. It was an authentic, at least somewhat egalitarian push to advance a basic ideal of the nation. Well, mostly. Which, in politics, is about as good as it gets.

The Republicans, on the other hand, were pure venom. Theirs was a systematic fearmongering, a nonstop bombardment of misguidings and untruths, an acid bath of panic overlaid with a fine sheen of racism and rage. This is turning out to be easily the nastiest, meanest GOP organization in ages, the house that Karl Rove built, a group shaming their own party's once-noble legacy. Even Reagan, who claimed Medicare would destroy the country, would be stunned at this gang's level of savagery.

Common wisdom now holds that while Obama finally succeeded in a truly historic, once-impossible vote, he has failed in his promise to be the uniter president, the community organizer of our liberal dreams, the guy who could somehow mend or at least bridge the hemorrhaging rift, not merely between the two parties, but also the two sides of American culture. This rift is defined hereby as the gulf between people with extant intelligence and subtle understanding of ideas, and the Sarah Palin-grade paranoids who don't quite understand what the hell they're raging about, but nevertheless do so with much clenched passion, fake tears, guns and a whole garage full of stockpiled bullets.

This is, to me, perhaps the saddest outcome of the insane health care fight. Not even Obama, the most intelligent, calm and experienced bringer-together president we could possibly hope for, was able to make a dent in the great wall. In fact, all evidence indicates he's even more polarizing, the absolute reverse of dumb-guy Bush who so violently repelled the intelligent and the informed. Obama is doing the opposite: the paranoids are so scared by the guy's untouchable force field of smarts and self-assurance, they're coagulating into little clusters, foamy little pools of resistance and anti-gummint hate.

Verily, health care reform will go down in history for many things -- Catholic nuns kicking ass, Ted Kennedy not having to roll in his grave, Democrats actually vaguely unifying -- but few are as amusing as the creation of the silliest political movement in recent American history, the Tea Party, a group barely cognizant of what it even stands for, with zero grasp of the history it's named after, who nevertheless will doubtlessly grab every tax benefit, housing subsidy, COBRA extension, Restoration Act moneys and (now) health care benefit that evil socialist Obama hands to them and their sniveling home states, even as they spit tobacco juice in his face. Adorable.

Perhaps the saddest idea of all, however, is the general lament I've heard repeated countless times on the left, this sense that if Obama can't do it, if this astonishingly calm and assured, rock solid, deeply reasonable president can't bridge the divide or at least hack through some of that barbed wire, we are, if not completely doomed, then certainly stuck deep in a sociocultural abyss no one has a clue how to navigate.

Eventually, something will have to give. Much like Wal-Mart pretending to care about going "green" because it realizes it can make/save lots of money, or Exxon pretending it gives a damn about the environment because it's a good PR move, perhaps the only way to force a change upon modern politicians it is to somehow incentivize it, to make it in both parties' best interests to shut the hell up and work together, lest we corral all of them into the street with pitchforks and fire, and run them off a cliff.

I have no idea how this can be done, what magic levers might be pulled or what miraculous tactical maneuver from Obama could possibly make both sides come to terms with the hateful chasm separating them -- and by extension, us. The environment? Education? High-fructose corn syrup? Wall Street? Colonizing deep space? No one knows.

One thing do we know for sure: As stunned, bedazzled and burned by the HCR fight as Americans feel right now, that's nothing compared to how we would respond when presented with some dramatic, exciting step forward that both parties were able to agree upon via passionate, articulate, thoughtful discussion and debate. True compassion, honesty, and heart? In this congress? Now that's impossible.

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"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:03 PM

MINCINGBEAST


not convinced that health care is properly framed as a "right"--thats a horrible box to open, pandora. but i'm glad that the bill passed, that more people will have access to health care, that we've joined the rest of the civilized world, and that it pisses people off. this is not gloating.

and it is funny precisely because it is real and sad.

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:37 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Ok, I admit it, I laughed.

I've seen some foreign political debates get pretty rough, like bench clearing brawl rough, and believe me there's days I was half-wishin Jesse Ventura when he was Governor would challenge some of these berks to a cage match, but for the most part we're *physically* civilized, although I think we've gotten verbally and spiritally worse about it.

Of course, our congress hasn't always been a peaceful place, here's two interesting incidents, and as I recall one presidential candidate had to be lowered from an upstairs window cause of a brawl occuring on the floor at the time.
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Senate_Fistfight.ht
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Brooks#Sumner_assault
(Flame me if you like, I am of the opinion that Sumner had that coming - having read the speech in question.)

-F

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Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:15 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Erm, due to some commentary by Wendy, I feel the need to express that there's a difference between "had it comin" and "deserves it".

I don't feel the poor guy deserved being pounded into the floor, from all I've read of him he seemed an otherwise decent sort with the singularly atrocious habit of shooting his mouth off to an offensive and unacceptable degree.

I meant that he had to have known that was a potential result, he obviously wasn't a moron.

Free speech is all fine and dandy, and I am all for it's expression, but with the awareness of certain consequences and responsibilities for it's exercise.

Sure, you *CAN* yell "fire!" in a crowded theatre, but you are responsible for the consequences of doing so, and likewise, you would not approach Mr. T slinging racial ephithets without at least SOME awareness of the possibility of recieving a jewelry covered fist in the chops as your rebuttal - besides which, words can be a weapon, and injurious as any blow, ask any abused spouse or child, if you dispute it.

And so, he *knew* that there was a very real possibility of a duel or an asskicking in the offering, and continued his actions regardless, nor did he apologise despite getting needlessly and explicitly personal in a way that has no business in the halls of government, and thus he had accepted that as a potential consequence since he was obviously not stupid enough to be unaware of it... ergo, the "had it coming" comment, you don't light a firework and not expect a bang, folks.

-F

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:55 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


I'm happy that the Obamacare Tax Bill hired 20,000 new IRS agents to garnish your bank accounts.

Who wouldn't be happy with that?

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

Ok, I admit it, I laughed.
Good. My work here is done, then. That's all Morford's stuff is for; satire that might make someone giggle. Yeah, sometimes it's pertinent, but it's supposed to be so that we can LAUGH at whatever issue he's blowing up all out of proportion.

I got a giggle out of the Lieberman thing, tho' I didn't appreciate Obama being made into some kind of a saint--but hey, if you can't overblow things to the point of ridiculousness, it's no fun, right?

After all, if we can't laugh at ourselves, what have we become?

And gee, here I thought PN would love the title, it sounds just like one of his...except Morford left out the "Jew" part...


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:30 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh indeed, I might not always agree with him, but Morford does do a good job of mocking our so-called leadership, something that I think NEEDS to be done, as Ridicule is a weapon more deadly than bombs to those who'd use Fear as one themselves.

And I learned THAT, from Reyard the Fox.


Speakin O which, apparently Possums can make quite a bit of vocal noise if they wanna, I had a pair of em start cussin me out when I chased em off last night, freaky...

And the really mongo huge one won't hold still long enough for me to get a picture, imma see if I can't ambush em with my flashlight beam and the zoom function... I can justify that, since the site management has asked me to drive them away from the buildings, such as is possible without risk or harm.

-F

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:49 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, goodie, I'd love to see a pic! I NEVER knew they could make noise, that's fascinating. What does it sound like, hissing, or growling or something? Wild.

Personally, I love 'possums. We had one nest under the eaves right above 'Bo's cage (my rehab raven). Every year she'd have babies, and it was neat the way they'd disappear into her belly then re-emerge later...our one and only marsupial!


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:12 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Threatened opossums (especially males) will growl deeply, raising their pitch as the threat becomes more urgent. Males make a clicking "smack" noise out of the side of their mouths as they wander in search of a mate, and females will sometimes repeat the sound in return. When separated or distressed, baby opossums will make a sneezing noise to signal their mother. If threatened, the baby will open its mouth and quietly hiss until the threat is gone.

The growl isn't real threatening, they sound like a pissed off Yorkie - but that hack-hack-hack was a bit disconcerting, the equivalent of being wolf-whistled at as an insult, one might say.

That's not half as disconcerting as the raccoons begging me for candy - they like mint, see, and raccoons have been known to raid campers tents and steal their toothpaste, strangely enough.

And since I carry a pocket full of starlight mints on the job to avoid gettin dry mouth while doin the rounds, not to mention feedin my candy habit, they can smell the mint, and they want some.

Mind you, the residents do *not* feed em, other than the foolishness of leaving their trash on the doorstep overnight, to take out as they go to work in the morning, and our little banditos are afraid of the other humans... but me ?
Nope.

And so they come and do THIS, begging for candy just like peoples kids do to me!



I swear, every critter on the PLANET seems to know I got candy and wants some.

-Frem

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Friday, March 26, 2010 12:28 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


LOVED the video--but too short! I've never seen bandits beg like that before, it's adorable!

We had-fed weebers at the local rehab when they came in--when it was young, before they knew about keeping animals wild and having as little contact as possible. They are TRULY adorable, we had to pick them up and hold them like a baby to give them bottles...talk about melting!! Their adults, tho', I'm very careful about...!

Also got to feed baby deer by bottle; ah, those were the days, was much more fun being a volunteer then, when you could actually interact with the animals. One of my jobs was to "play" with a subadult mountain lion--he'd been confiscated from having been made a "pet" (illegal in CA) but was socialized, so we were holding him for transfer to a zoo. Meanwhile, being socialized, he needed interaction...talk about STRONG!!! But it was a gift, lemme tell 'ya!

You're really lucky to be able to interact with the wildlife around you, I'm envious. Would that I still could!


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, March 26, 2010 12:54 PM

FREMDFIRMA



What's even stranger about it, Niki, is that I have NEVER EVER, not once fed them, I can't, not in uniform and on the job, no more than I could punt that jerkass groundhog into traffic (and oh how I wanted to!) cause I have an example to set.

But for some odd reason, wildlife of various kinds will approach me *expecting* to get fed, both on and off duty.

Me and the ex picked up lunch at a long john silvers, fish n chips with hush puppies, and had driven to the parking lot of a nearby supermarket to eat while making the list of what she needed in there, and out of the blue, out of nowhere, comes this damn seagull, who alights next to the truck and starts demanding some food!

She does a doubletake, starts laughing, I'm like, look birdbrain, I HATE seagulls, and besides which, people food ain't no good for you and.. oh wait, fish, yeah - aw shaddap!
(in response to said birdbrain's complaining)
Sure enough, I start to feel sorry for the damn featherhead what with his fussing and I toss him a chunk - the ex giggles and calls me a sucker.

There's a ... connection, of sorts, muchlike Rue described in the other thread, but much much stronger, and underneath it I can kinda feel the evidence if not the presence of an actual gestalt underneath it, like a current, or a wind, but as untouchable as a fistfull of smoke and gone just as quickly.

But yeah, our not-so-little banditos will flee from anyone else, but they'll come right up to ME and beg, despite never gettin anywheres.

I been tryin to lure an owl down here to deal with bunny overpopulation, the little hawk which has been checkin us out isn't big enough to carry off one of them fat little monsters, so no takeout for him, he'd have to dine in and people make him nervous - but one of them big northern owls would do fine, especially if the one who used to sit on top of building#5 and bitch all night would come back.

I dunno why I have such a terribly powerful connection with animals, perhaps it's because what I have with humans is so muted and weak that it developed in response to the lack, but it's there, and undeniable, especially since with a little encouragement, if I can get them to understand what I want and they have no particular reason not to, I can often convince wildlife to do stuff for me - in a fashion they serve as my auxilaries already, cause if there's some human other than me out there, they will move in defensive response, and this not only tells me someone is out and about, I also get a general idea of where they are.

They're better friends than most people, that much I will say.

-F

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Friday, March 26, 2010 1:25 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, a seagull doesn't count, they can sense food ten miles away!

But yes, obviously you've got "the touch"--some have it, some don't, and it's definitely a gift. All you can do is accept it and enjoy it, I guess, 'cuz it'll never go away!

...lucky you...!

Seriously, I have no idea why such things happen, but it's a fact; some people draw animals. I guess some people draw PEOPLE, too, but I prefer the former, thank you!

I'm not sure it has anything to do with anything you can put your finger on, and I doubt it's any correlation to your relationships with people. They sense/see/smell/observe/whatever humans, and something they sense in us causes them to react the way they do. Personally, I think it's some kind of genetic thing...in your case it might be related to empathy for children (as the two have much in common). Do the kids you help react the same way? I'm tempted to put money on it that they do...


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, March 26, 2010 3:39 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Alice says it might be Shamanistic bloodlines, but then given my ancestors tendancy to prettymuch hump everything in sight, I wouldn't be surprised, historically Shamans weren't really people persons, belonging in part to a different "world" - much as mine is the silent cold darkness of the nightwatch, a realm populated by very few people, and most of those being potential trouble - it would explain why the bond is stronger with Psychopomps though.

And you are correct, children react to me very positively prettymuch on-sight, I've had upset or distraught younguns latch on to me like a life-preserver out of the blue before.

You're also right about "the touch" - that works with both animals and humans, and so far there's been not one rational explaination for it, but if I manage to make physical contact with an upset or freaked out personal or animal, they will immediately begin to calm down, I do feel that part of it is because I do not panic and have a stolid emotional disposition, many times I see someone upset, and them being upset then upsets the folk around them and it all gets amplified as it bounces around, hard to explain in words but I think you know what I mean - so when there's a steady rock in that turbulent sea of emotion, folks naturally reach for it on pure instinct.

That was actually helpful a couple weeks ago, someones dog got out past em while they were bringing in groceries and was running around all overexcited and freaked out, the owner was upset and the dog kept running cause it was reacting to the owners fear/anger wobble, unsure of what to do, and I just walked up and put my hand on his little doggie head, he chilled right out - and after seeing I wasn't gonna write him up or lecture him (and for what, anyways ?), so did the owner, who scooped up his now happy puppy and off they went.

The kids that know me on the other hand, pfaugh! - combination of bottomless pockets fulla candy and being treated with actual respect as human beings by a person who will actually listen to them is a draw of a seperate kind, and that's a blessing in itself cause while they lack life experience, they are pretty good at solving problems since they can cut right through the bullshit and rationalizations adults hedge about their lives and see things for what they truly are.

-Frem

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Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:23 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


You know what? I just twigged on something. And yeah, I had no doubt kids would gravitate to you, by the way; they're more instinctive than adults--more like animals in how they read people. What a shame we all grow up to...well, you know that one all too well.

BUT, here's a concept for you. Have you ever seen "The Dog Whisperer"? If not, I highly recommend you check it out. Everything you've described works for Cesar Milan, too, and he knows why. Animals (and children) turn to those who represent "calm assertiveness", the leader of the pack who is fair, doesn't punish but teaches and draws healthy boundaries. The problems people have with their dogs ALWAYS comes down to the humans, invariably. Although I can sometimes see no outward sign that the person is giving off something which affects the dogs, the difference in reaction between how they are even with their owners IN THE ROOM as opposed to how they react when alone with Cesar is unquestionable, as is the amazing difference between how the dog reacts when the owner is holding the leash, and how they change the minute Cesar takes the leash.

Quite possibly that explains some, or even all, of it. From what you've said, you're not afraid, nervous or have preconceptions of animals and children, and they sense it. Obviously you have the calming touch, as he does, and animals and children feel safer with a leader of the pack they can trust to guide them safely, give them healthy boundaries, etc.

Whatcha think? To me, the corollary is indisputable. You'd get a kick out of watching him...they call him a "miracle worker", but what he does is easy to understand, if difficult to emulate.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Saturday, March 27, 2010 3:01 PM

FREMDFIRMA



I think it's one of those gifts you either have, or you do not - would that I had a better explaination of it than that, but I don't.

The Sensei that taught me to control my temper was prettymuch of the same mind when I told him that being of the wrong nationality and disposition, there was no way in hell I would be what he called "Bushi", apparently he meant (so much as I could guess) someone who inherently follows the Bushido code (which I don't, or at least never thought so) and his response stuck with me enough that I gave in when he shoved me into taking Calligraphy as an art elective...
*eyeroll*

He said - "You were born Bushi, I'm just making you competent at it."

So I guess it's kinda the same thing.

-F

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Sunday, March 28, 2010 11:08 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
LOVED the video--but too short! I've never seen bandits beg like that before, it's adorable!


Just for you, Niki, just for you...



Gimme, gimmmeeee!
*laughs*

-F

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Sunday, March 28, 2010 1:27 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:


Speakin O which, apparently Possums can make quite a bit of vocal noise if they wanna, I had a pair of em start cussin me out when I chased em off last night, freaky...

And the really mongo huge one won't hold still long enough for me to get a picture, imma see if I can't ambush em with my flashlight beam and the zoom function... I can justify that, since the site management has asked me to drive them away from the buildings, such as is possible without risk or harm.

-F


I wonder if they make the same noise as Australian possums, sounds like it from various posts. The noise they make around here can be horrendous, growling and that hacking sound, not to mention tap dancing on my roof like drunken 'little people'.

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Monday, March 29, 2010 7:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, that was adorable, thank you...mama and the weebers! Made me want to kick the asshole tourist in shorts standing their laughing and teasing them, tho', he should have dropped SOME on the ground. Mama's gotta feed the little 'uns, after all.

I know, I'm a complete softie; sue me!


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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