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I'm sure it's just a matter of trying to hold Steele responsible for the actions of some of his underlings, since he's the man at the top of the party.

I have little doubt that he WILL be replaced after the mid-terms, but it would be worse for the GOP to dump him NOW than it will be after the election. He really hasn't done a very good job of either raising money for the party, nor for setting the tone within the party, and that's doubtless why he'll be out by mid-November.

As for how any of this is his fault? It's not, but that hardly matters in political theater at this level. That's an inconvenient truth, but a truth nonetheless. When John Edwards screwed around on his wife, did it change anything in this country in any substantive way? Nope, but it still had a serious impact on the political futures and careers of several of his key staff members, associates, and advisers, because he specifically lied to them when he told them he wasn't having an affair, and they went out and lied to the press about it. Are they responsible for it? Nope, but they're tainted by it. That's the reality of politics

It's pretty accepted common knowledge that the Democrats are going to lose seats this November. But I think Steele's being set up; if the GOP just gains seats but fails to gain control of the House and Senate, it will be seen by many within the party as a failure on Steele's part. I get the distinct impression that he's being set up to fail so he can be pushed out and replaced with more of a "true believer" instead of a moderate, which is what he comes across as within the party now.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Steele is a gutless coward and an incompetant. As a Black man and a leader of a national party, he has been sorely invisible during the last few years. He could have been, should have been, out there in the media every single day calling out and challenging Obama on everything, and he could have done it from a place of national prominance. But no, instead hiding and remaining silent is his legacy.

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His role is to manage party resources, coordinate a national message, find suitable candidates, and raise money.

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But they are not supposed to be out there every day as some sort of official spokesperson.

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i actually feel sort of bad for michael steele. he is equal parts carlton and grover, both of whom i admire, and he cannot be held accountable for the decay of his party.

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Steele is a gutless coward and an incompetant. As a Black man and a leader of a national party, he has been sorely invisible during the last few years. He could have been, should have been, out there in the media every single day calling out and challenging Obama on everything, and he could have done it from a place of national prominance. But no, instead hiding and remaining silent is his legacy.

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Thats not his role. He is not an office holder, he's a manager, like Howard Dean is for Democrats. His role to to manage party resources, coordinate a national message, find suitable candidates, and raise money.

Like Dean, he is often in the media spotlight and has been so throughout the past year. But they are not supposed to be out there every day as some sort of official spokesperson. That role falls to the President, Governors, Congresspersons, Senators, etc.

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i actually feel sort of bad for michael steele. he is equal parts carlton and grover, both of whom i admire, and he cannot be held accountable for the decay of his party.

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Weird, I thought I'd be the only one to see him as a cross between a muppet and the annoying one from Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

Still, bondage strip clubs ftw!

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But they are not supposed to be out there every day as some sort of official spokesperson.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Small point of clarification: Howard Dean is NOT the chairman of the DNC any more; that post now belongs to Tim Kaine, who took over the position from Dean the day after Obama's inauguration.

I still don't know why Dean was replaced, or if it was his decision or the party's - or Obama's, as head of the party (in fact, at least, if not in name and title).

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Maybe, as Frem pointed out, that's the price of loyalty to the party - a bullet in the back of the neck, metaphorically speaking.

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That's the price of loyalty to EITHER party...

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

Steele is a gutless coward and an incompetant. As a Black man and a leader of a national party, he has been sorely invisible during the last few years. He could have been, should have been, out there in the media every single day calling out and challenging Obama on everything, and he could have done it from a place of national prominance. But no, instead hiding and remaining silent is his legacy. He rarely comes out in public, and when he does it's always to a safe haven like his pal Hannity. As RNC Chairman, he is ultimately responsible for the disasterous selection of McCain as Presidential nominee, and he is accountable for the election debacle that ensued. As far as I'm concerned he must be fired as soon as possible. Of course the Libs and Dems love the guy. Just like the NY Times loved McCain as the Repub candidate so much they promoted him when he was running a distant third. It's amazing to me how accomodating the RNC has been over the last few years to the needs and wishes of their opponents.

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