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The Cowardly Hypocrisy Of RiverLove

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 2:17 AM

RIVERLOVE


Democrats and their liberal media allies have sunk so low as to now be demonizing average working Americans who are protesting against Obama's Govt takeover of everything while pushing his radical agenda down our throats. They say these protesters are racists and potentially dangerous. Are they kidding? They had no problems with any of this in the recent past, and they all seem to have forgotten everything now. So I'll help jog their memories a bit here:





























So Niki and Rue & Kwicko and other Liberals here, which ones in the pictures are you? Oh not there? Too busy writing anti-Fox News blogs or something? Or perhaps writing some of your demented posts about right-wing threats against Obama? Hmmmm?

Or perhaps you're concerned about more serious actions by right-wing nut-jobs, who by the way, seem to have a long way to go to rise to the frenzied expertise of their Liberal predecessors:

Republican National Convention bomb threat case set to proceed against former Flushing student
By Laura Angus | Flint Journal
September 12, 2008, 6:30PM


ST. PAUL, Minn. — A U.S. magistrate judge has found probable cause to continue a case against Matthew DePalma, a former Flushing student whom FBI agents said wanted to bomb the Republican National Convention.

On Aug. 30, DePalma, 23, of Flint, was charged unregistered to him. If convicted, he could spend 10 years in jail.

According to a Department of Justice news release, the FBI began investigating DePalma in July when he stated his intention to "make some bombs" and "blow up" things during the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn.

An FBI affidavit states that DePalma built five Molotov cocktails, which are considered "firearms."

The affidavit also states that DePalma intended to bomb the Xcel Energy Center on either the start of the convention Sept. 1 or at its end Sept. 4.
A preliminary hearing took place Sept. 5 before U.S. Magistrate Judge Arthur Boylan.
Assistant Federal Defender Reynaldo Aligado said he did not want to comment on the case but did explain that the judge did find probable cause to continue the case.

Aligado said no further dates have been set relating to the case. The next step will likely be an arraignment.

The Pioneer Press in St. Paul, Minn. reported that Boylan ruled DePalma should remain jailed on the charge.

DePalma's family in Flushing declined to comment about the incident.

Tom Doyle of Flushing Township said an incident where someone says he or she wants to do something needs to be carefully investigated to determine if the suspect really intended to follow through.

"There's a difference between someone who is violent and someone who is blowing off steam," he said.

DePalma is not the only man who allegedly wanted to set off explosives at the convention.

In incidents unrelated to DePalma's case, two Austin, Texas, men -- David G. McKay, 22, and Bradley N. Crowder, 23 -- were also charged with possessing unregistered firearms, which they allegedly talked about using around the convention site.


Michigan man gets 42 months in prison for building Molotov cocktails to disrupt RNC
DePalma expresses remorse to judge
David Hanners, St. Paul Pioneer Press, March 11th, 2009



A Michigan man who planned to disrupt last summer's GOP convention with Molotov cocktails was sentenced Tuesday to 42 months in prison.

Before a federal judge sentenced him, Matthew Bradley DePalma said that while his heart was in the right place — he felt it important to protest eight years of a Republican presidency — his head didn't think through his actions.

"My actions ... really make me no better than the people I was opposing," the 23-year-old told U.S. District Judge John Tunheim in Minneapolis. He likened his behavior to "an angry child hitting his brother."

"How dare I step up and try to replace something I saw as wrong with something equally unenlightened?" DePalma said.

The sentence was longer than the 36 months DePalma's public defender had sought, but it was shorter than the 46 months a federal prosecutor said was appropriate. Federal sentencing guidelines called for a sentence between 46 and 57 months.

"I'm trying in this case to balance the concerns," Tunheim told DePalma. He said the offense was "very serious" and added, "In many respects, you were fortunate that you were caught."

But the judge also said DePalma was an eloquent person who had shown remorse and has "thought about these issues." The likelihood of DePalma's committing new crimes was very low, Tunheim said, and DePalma still has an opportunity to get an education and make something of himself.

"I hope you can harness the passion that you have in a positive direction," Tunheim told him.

DePalma was one of three men charged by federal prosecutors with making and possessing Molotov cocktails during the Republican National Convention in St. Paul. His case is unrelated to that of the other two — Texans David Guy McKay and Bradley Neal Crowder, both 23.


Texas Man Sentenced for Possessing Molotov Cocktails During Republican National Convention
Thu May 14, 2009 5:42pm EDT
REUTERS


MINNEAPOLIS, May 14 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

A 23-year-old man from Austin,Texas,
who was connected to a group that planned to disrupt the Republican
National Convention (RNC) in September 2008, was sentenced today in federal
court to possessing destructive devices. On May 14, in Minneapolis, U.S.
District Court Chief Judge Michael Davis sentenced Bradley Neal Crowder to 24
months in prison and three years of supervised release on one count of
possession of a destructive device. Crowder was indicted on Sept. 22, 2008,
and pleaded guilty on Jan. 8, 2009.

"This case is part of a two-year effort with the U.S. Secret Service, along
with our state and local partners, to identify and address threats to the 2008
Republican National Convention," said Ralph Boelter, Special Agent in Charge
of the FBI's Minneapolis Field Office. "Threatening life and property in the
name of a perceived cause is reprehensible regardless of the ideological
influence that motivates the attackers."

According to Crowder's plea agreement, he admitted that between Aug. 31 and
Sept. 3, 2008, he knowingly possessed and manufactured eight Molotov
cocktails, not registered to him or anyone else in the National Firearms
Registration and Transfer Record.

Crowder was indicted along with a second defendant, David Guy McKay, 22,
Austin, Texas. Following a mistrial in February, McKay pleaded guilty to three
firearms charges on March 17, 2009, and is scheduled to be sentenced by Judge
Davis on May 21, 2009.

According to trial testimony, the FBI in Texas began investigating the group,
labeled by law enforcement as the Austin Affinity Group, in February 2008.
McKay and Crowder were members of the group.

On Aug. 28, 2008, Crowder and other members of the Austin Affinity Group
traveled from Austin, Texas, to Minnesota. The group brought a rental trailer
with them that contained 35 riot shields, made from stolen traffic barrels.
The intended use of the shields was to help demonstrators block streets near
the Xcel Energy Center in order to prevent convention delegates from safely
reaching the convention. St. Paul Police seized these shields on Aug. 31.

According to trial testimony, McKay and Crowder, angered by the loss of the
shields, purchased supplies for constructing Molotov cocktails at a St. Paul
Wal-Mart on Aug. 31, including a gas can, motor oil and tampons. They also
purchased gasoline at a gas station. They then manufactured the eight Molotov
cocktails at an apartment on Dayton Avenue where they were staying.

During a FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force investigation, authorities learned
through an informant that McKay and Crowder had manufactured the Molotov
cocktails. Crowder was arrested on Sept. 1 for disorderly conduct during an
RNC demonstration.

During a conversation overheard by law enforcement through electronic
surveillance on Sept. 2, McKay told an informant that he intended to throw the
Molotov cocktails at police vehicles parked in a lot near the Dayton Avenue
apartment. The parking lot was used as a checkpoint area for vehicles
entering the security perimeter around the convention site. It was visibly
patrolled by the U.S. Secret Service, various police agencies and the
military.

During the execution of a search warrant by the St. Paul Police Department at
the Dayton Avenue residence where McKay was staying when he was arrested,
officers seized a variety of items, including gas masks, slingshots, helmets
and knee pads. Under the kitchen sink, officers discovered a two-gallon
gasoline container identical to the one purchased by Crowder and McKay at the
Wal-Mart on Aug. 31. In the basement of the residence, officers found eight
assembled Molotov cocktails. They consisted of bottles filled with gasoline
with an attached wick made from tampons.



SOURCE U.S. Department of Justice

GOP CONVENTION PLOT CASE

Woman accused of threatening bomb-plot informant
Trial could begin in Austin next week.
By David Hanners
ST. PAUL PIONEER PRESS
Monday, August 24, 2009


A Texas woman faces trial this month in Austin on charges she threatened to kill a government informant who infiltrated an Austin-based group that planned to bomb the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn., last fall.

Katyanne Marie Kibby, 25, was indicted in June by a federal grand jury in Austin. She is accused of retaliating against Brandon Darby, the community activist-turned-informant who helped federal prosecutors win convictions against Bradley Neal Crowder, 24, and David Guy McKay, 23.

Prosecutors say the e-mail threat was made Jan. 10. That was two days after Crowder reached a plea bargain with federal prosecutors in Minneapolis for his role in the plot to build Molotov cocktails and attack the GOP convention in September 2008.

Crowder and McKay were part of a group of activists that had gone to the Twin Cities to take part in street demonstrations. The FBI had infiltrated the group with Darby. Crowder and McKay built eight of the gasoline firebombs but didn't use them, a fact law enforcement officials credited to Darby.

Members of the Austin protest community heaped scorn on Darby, saying he had betrayed longtime friends and colleagues.

Kibby, who lives in Houston, is free on bond. If convicted, she could face 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. She could not be reached for comment.

Federal prosecutors and Kibby's public defender have about a week to reach a plea agreement. If they don't, her trial is to begin Aug. 31 in U.S. District Court in Austin.

Neither her attorney, Jose Gonzalez-Falla, nor Assistant U.S. Attorney Gregg Sofer returned calls for comment. Darby, who lives near Austin, also did not return a call for comment.

The single-count indictment says Kibby "did knowingly engage in conduct threatening bodily injury" to Darby. It says she sent an e-mail that threatened his life "for giving information to a law enforcement officer."

The indictment doesn't say what was in the e-mail.

Darby, originally from Houston, had earned a national reputation as an activist in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina struck in August 2005. He was a co-founder of the Common Ground Collective, whose members delivered food, water, supplies and medical care to people in the flood-ravaged city.

But Darby said that he grew disenchanted with some beliefs and tactics used by more radical activists. That disenchantment led to contacts with the FBI, and in November 2007, federal agents asked him to work as an undercover informant.

Federal agents asked him to infiltrate a loose-knit group of activists in Austin that included McKay, who did part-time graphics work at an ad agency, and Crowder, who worked in a sandwich shop.

In the months leading up to the GOP convention in St. Paul, the FBI was concerned that some groups planning to converge on St. Paul had less-than-peaceful demonstrations in mind.

Darby accompanied the group to St. Paul. McKay and Crowder later built eight Molotov cocktails, and alternately planned to bomb either a truck with a large TV screen or a parking lot used by law enforcement officers, according to later testimony.

McKay and Crowder were charged in September. A little over a month later, Darby's work as an informant was disclosed by the Pioneer Press.

Crowder pleaded guilty in a deal with prosecutors, but McKay took his case to trial. Darby was the key witness against him.

When McKay testified in his own defense, he claimed Darby entrapped him. He told jurors that had it not been for Darby's urgings, he never would have built the Molotov cocktails.



Suspicious Fire Burns Palin's Alaska Church
By Celeste Katz
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Updated Saturday, December 13th 2008, 11:04 PM

Grillo/APThe blaze that damaged the Wasilla Bible Church is being considered suspicious.
A suspicious fire has torn through the church attended by Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who apologized if the blaze was related to her White House run.

Palin, Republican John McCain's running mate, was not at the church during the Friday night fire that caused about $1 million damage.

A small group of women and children were in the Wasilla Bible Church doing crafts when the blaze was set at the building's entrance. The group escaped when a fire alarm sounded, Pastor Larry Kroon said.

Palin spokesman Bill McAllister said the governor visited Saturday and "told an assistant pastor that she apologizes if the incident is in any way connected to the undeserved negative attention the church has received since she became a vice presidential candidate on Aug. 29."

The church draws as many as 1,000 worshipers on a Sunday.

With News Wire Services


Published: Nov 6, 2004 Modified: Nov 6, 2004 6:08 AM

N.C. GOP Office Vandalized

The Associated Press

RALEIGH, N.C. - An apparent mob of vandals attacked North Carolina Republican Party headquarters late Friday, leaving behind minor smoke damage, broken windows and vulgar messages, authorities said.

A police officer reported earlier in the night that about 100 people wearing masks and gloves were walking down a street near the headquarters, Raleigh Police Capt. D.S. Overman said. The vandalism happened between 11 and 11:30 p.m., the result of an obviously "planned and orchestrated event," police spokesman Jim Sughrue said.

"This is not a political statement," Sughrue said. "A political statement is what we made Tuesday. This is a crime."

Police had detained several suspects early Saturday, but had filed no charges, Sughrue said. They were also taking steps to protect state Democratic Party offices from possible vandalism, he said.

Investigators at the scene found a partially burned, two-headed effigy in military fatigues. One head had the face of President Bush and the other the face of his failed Democratic challenger John Kerry.

They also found several spent fireworks, poster boards with slogans and spraypainted expletives on the walls. At least two windows were broken and police said it appeared as if the vandals tried to put incendiary devices inside of the building.

"The people who did this are sick," said Kevin Howell, communications director for the state Republican Party. "People don't understand that debate and elections are part of the process. This isn't how you act."

Bill Peaslee, state GOP chief of staff, said campaign offices and party headquarters in other states have also been vandalized in recent months.

"With all the constructive things that people can do to advocate their point of view in a democracy, this is how they chose to express themselves?" Peaslee said outside of his damaged office early Saturday. "The people have decided. Others may disagree. They have a right to disagree, but do it agreeably."



Then when the reality set in for these fine Liberals that Bush was still indeed alive and well, they set out to create artistic methods of killing Bush. They wrote books about his death; one was titled The Assassination Of George W. Bush. Then they made a movie about his assassination. It became know as Bush-Death Chic back in the day. It became as mainstream as apple pie to talk, write, or openly discuss killing Bush. Now these same folks are hyper-sensitive to anything said against Obama or other Dems. What a bunch of bullshit.

I could post hundreds more pictures of violent threats against Bush, and dozens more articles about Liberals attacking Republicans. But knowing most of your fairly well, I doubt you'll be at all fair in your explanations of these things. Come on now, find a way to spin, find a way to draw one of your world-famous non-sensical moral equivalencies for me. Will ya, huh?. Will ya? Don't let this be just another ho-hum day in your little fantasy world. Or you can always bite me.









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Thursday, April 1, 2010 3:48 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Difference is all these signs are true.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 3:58 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:

Difference is all these signs are true.

Naturally. And all the attacks against Republican interests are fully justified as well. Everyone knows that.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 5:21 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)



Of course, there's also the fact that you haven't shown or proven ANY of these people to be from "the left". For all you know, they're from the far right, like some here (PN, O2B, Antimason, and others), and were pissed at Bush for being too far left.

As you and Rappy have so often claimed, they're more likely "plants" put into the crowd by the right, to make the protesters look bad.

Hey, if that's the way you want to play the game, don't cry when someone else plays by your rules! :)






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Thursday, April 1, 2010 6:18 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

As you and Rappy have so often claimed, they're more likely "plants" put into the crowd by the right, to make the protesters look bad.
That's perfect Kwick! A perfectly lame and pathetic response by you. I know you're embarrassed by all those photos and articles. It's ok, I don't blame you for any of it.

Quote:
Hey, if that's the way you want to play the game, don't cry when someone else plays by your rules!

Right on dude! Sure, feel free to go all psycho-lib-loon on me and come back with the last vengeful word. I'm 'spectin' it. You Libs always get the last word anyhow because you outnumber us on FF Fans by 10 or 20 to one. But no, never consider that, ever. And don't ever let that stop you from being as vicious and vile as you can be.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 6:27 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:


Hey, if that's the way you want to play the game, don't cry when someone else plays by your rules! :)


Well, Kwick, you forgot that it's ok when they do it.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 6:27 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

As you and Rappy have so often claimed, they're more likely "plants" put into the crowd by the right, to make the protesters look bad.
That's perfect Kwick! A perfectly lame and pathetic response by you. I know you're embarrassed by all those photos and articles. It's ok, I don't blame you for any of it.

Quote:
Hey, if that's the way you want to play the game, don't cry when someone else plays by your rules!

Right on dude! Sure, feel free to go all psycho-lib-loon on me and come back with the last vengeful word. I'm 'spectin' it. You Libs always get the last word anyhow because you outnumber us on FF Fans by 10 or 20 to one. But no, never consider that, ever. And don't ever let that stop you from being as vicious and vile as you can be.

QED

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 6:36 AM

MINCINGBEAST


tldr, but i liked the pictures.

as a proud, blood thirsty liberal who dreams of forcing stuff down the throats of conservatives everywhere (and also taking all of your liberty and giving it to foreigners) i am hella proud of those photos (EDIT: i've been staring at them all morning, all proud and drooling). moar!

also, not sure if you have a point, if you're just venting, but thats a good point, too.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 6:45 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
tldr, but it liked the pictures.

as a proud, blood thirsty liberal who dreams of forcing stuff down the throats of conservatives everywhere (and also taking all of your liberty and giving it to foreigners) i am hella proud of those photos. moar!

also, not sure if you have a point, if you're just venting, but thats a good point, too.

No venting here friend. Just showing what the Left has done in recent times, and why I have to call them out on their utter hypocrisy when they say Tea Party people are violent and dangerous with their protest signs and their anti-Obama rhetoric. Glad you liked the pics.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 6:53 AM

MINCINGBEAST


cool, thanks for compressing the argument. is it fair to say that you assert: 1) the left can't complain too loudly about idiots on the right because 2) there are idiots on the left? fair enough. drives me insane when people ascribe their own vices to others.

yet, it seems to me those awesome photos may represent a fringe of the left, while the tea party seems to be waging a battle for the soul of the right. if only liberals were as loud and organzied as the tea-ba--excuse me, t-partiers, then we could have some awesome riots and knife fights and so forth.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 6:59 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Riverlove: "Democrats and their media whores...

Just some questions for you: Are these people democrats ? And, why do you assume they are when they not ?






























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Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:01 AM

MINCINGBEAST


democrats? probably no. rad? yes! extra rad!

republican/democrat isn't really the proper frame for this, so much as conservative/liberal. i imagine many of the t-party folk think that the republican party is full of liberal commie swine, while many of those folk in the awesome pics think that democrats are facist pigs.


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Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:02 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
cool, thanks for compressing the argument. is it fair to say that you assert: 1) the left can't complain too loudly about idiots on the right because 2) there are idiots on the left? fair enough. drives me insane when people ascribe their own vices to others.

yet, it seems to me those awesome photos may represent a fringe of the left, while the tea party seems to be waging a battle for the soul of the right. if only liberals were as loud and organzied as the tea-ba--excuse me, t-partiers, then we could have some awesome riots and knife fights and so forth.

You may a Lib, but I like you MB. You have a sense of humor about you which is quite refreshing. I may be a knuckle-dragging Neaderthal Conservative (and my mom dropped me on my head a lot when I was a baby), but I have never and will never advocate violence of any type against fellow citizens.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:10 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

Just some questions for you: Are these people democrats ? And, why do you assume they are when they not ?


Sorry Rue, but Kwicko raised that question first. You can read my response back to him if you like, or you can do as I suggested at the end of my original post. I hope that's clear enough even for a super-sized obtuse twit like you to comprehend.




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Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:14 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


RL

You are confused. You mistake 'democrats', 'liberals', and 'the left' as being all one thing. They are not.

OTOH, when we claim that REPUBLICANS are inflamatory we are pointing to ACTUAL REPUBLICANS - important REPUBLICAN PARTY MEMBERS like Palin and Steele.

Maybe you don't understand a simple concept like that, so I'll give you some time to figure it out.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:18 AM

MINCINGBEAST


aw gee riverlove, i think you're pretty swell, too. you're a malevolent asshole, which means we have a lot in common, if not politics.

despite my liberal leanings and hatred of freedom, i agree with you on the limited proposition that the tps (short for toilet paper, and tea partiers)aren't so different from the assorted heros in your rad pictures. i stand by my position though, that we're comparing fringe elements to an emerging main-stream force. hence, the tps signify a lot more about their side than the stoned anarchists do theirs.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:22 AM

STORYMARK


Yeah, both sides have used inflamatory posters.

Let's see how things stack up when we get down to actions.....



-- A conservative walks into a church and opens fire on the congregation because they're all a bunch of conservatives and he wants to kill as many right-wingers as he can.

-- A conservative walks into another church and shoots a doctor in the head.

-- A conservative shoots three police officers who come to his door because he fears the president is going to take his guns away.

-- A conservative walks into the Holocaust Museum and shoots a guard because he hates Jews and believes it's time to start a race war.

-- A conservative walks into the Pentagon and opens fire because he believes the government is plotting against its citizens.

-- A pack of gun-loving conservatives form a plot to kill law-enforcement officers and start a revolution.

-- Sarah Palin's "reload" campaign, which places bulls-eyes on politicians she wants to see gone.



And that's just recently. We could also add good ol' Tim McVeigh to the list.




On the flip side, you have what? A few liberals shoving folks at a Health Care forum? Ooooooh. Scary.




"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:24 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
aw gee riverlove, i think you're pretty swell, too. you're a malevolent asshole, which means we have a lot in common, if not politics.

despite my liberal leanings and hatred of freedom, i agree with you on the limited proposition that the tps (short for toilet paper, and tea partiers)aren't so different from the assorted heros in your rad pictures. i stand by my position though, that we're comparing fringe elements to an emerging main-stream force. hence, the tps signify a lot more about their side than the stoned anarchists do theirs.


Asshole? Probably
Malevolent? Nah, I wouldn't hurt a fly.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I agree that kooks on either side exist, and that it’s disgusting. There is no argument there. I also agree that anyone suspected of planning violence should be arrested and investigated.

I was at marches against the Iraq War and Bush...I saw no such signs. That doesn’t mean anything, the signs may be as incidental as those pointed out against Obama. It’s a valid point. I'm guessing the majority of people anti-Obama are regular folk, just like the majority of people anti-Bush.

On the other hand, giventhat the rhetoric of signs like those are inexcusable, how many people were arrested during the Bush term for just wearing a t-shirt or having a bumper sticker at a Bush rally?
Quote:
Two women who were arrested at campaign rally for President Bush last fall and strip-searched at a county jail.

The two women, both school teachers in their 50s, were among scores of people who were arrested, removed or barred from Bush rallies last year for wearing shirts or buttons favoring his Democratic rival, Sen. John Kerry, or for vocally criticizing the president.

Both attended Bush's Sept. 3 rally at a Cedar Rapids park, with McCabe holding a sheet of paper reading, "No More War," and Nelson wearing a Kerry button.

While standing on a sidewalk near, but not inside, the rally site, a Secret Service agent told McCabe she was on private property and would have to move.

The women moved to a parking area, where a member of the local Republican Party was holding a bucket to collect contributions.

The agent approached again and repeated the order to move. After asking why, McCabe was arrested by a state trooper. Nelson was arrested later by another trooper, according to the lawsuit.

The women -- among five protesters arrested during the rally -- were handcuffed, taken to the county jail, strip-searched and charged with criminal trespass.

Dozens of people were arrested for protesting outside events, removed after getting inside ticket-only areas or asked to sign forms endorsing Bush to get inside.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0429-07.htm and Nicole Rank were arrested at one of the President's speeches in Charleston, West Virginia, for wearing anti-Bush T-shirts.

Leslie Weise and Alex Young were ejected from one of the President's speeches in Denver, Colorado, for arriving at the event in a car with the bumper sticker reading "No More Blood For Oil."

Through litigation, the ACLU obtained a copy of the Presidential Advance Manual. The manual teaches the President's handlers how to keep protesters away from the President and from the media. People on the ground should "ask the local police department to designate a protest area where demonstrators can be placed, preferably not in view of the event site or motorcade route." The manual suggests that handlers form sign-wielding volunteers into "rally squads" who can "use their signs and banners as shields between the demonstrators and the main press platform."
http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/protest-and-president
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As a phalanx of motorcycles sped by on Old Philadelphia Pike in Lancaster County, Pa., in July, Tristan Egolf and six compatriots stripped to their skivvies and piled on top of one another in a pyramid, mimicking the infamous photograph taken at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.

But a minute after their bit of street theater had begun -- and long before a motorcade carrying President Bush had arrived -- police moved in and arrested six of the protesters on disorderly-conduct charges.

As Bush has traveled the United States during this political campaign, the Secret Service and local police have often handled public protest by quickly arresting or removing demonstrators, free-speech advocates say. In addition, access to Bush's events has been unusually tightly controlled and people who do not support Bush's reelection have been removed.

Although it's impossible to precisely measure the tactics in comparison with previous campaigns, civil liberties advocates and other experts say the treatment of dissenters is harsher this year. Several dozen protest-related arrests have been reported in recent months, in addition to the 1,800 made outside the Republican National Convention in New York, and the American Civil Liberties Union says that scores of other people have been evicted or denied entry to Bush campaign events.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3695-2004Oct27.html

It appears McCain would have followed Bush’s policy, had he been elected:
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A 61-year-old librarian was ejected from an ostensibly public McCain campaign event at the Denver Center of Performing Arts in Denver, CO on June 7 because she was brandishing a deadly memetic weapon: a hand-lettered sign that read "McCain=Bush."

Carol Kreck was standing outside the Denver Center for the Performing Arts, which is located on city property. When she was asked to either discard the sign or get out, Ms. Kreck objected that she was standing on city property.

She was lead away by police officers and subsequently ticketed for trespassing. As she was being removed, Kreck asked if was being arrested. The officer answered, "Yes."

"McCain has apparently taken a page from the Bush playbook. In 2005, the White House had three activists expelled from a Denver public forum with President Bush because it was the administration’s policy “to exclude potentially disruptive guests from Bush’s appearances nationwide.”"
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/90700/

In fairness, there have been arrests of Bush protesters at Obama’s victory celebration as well. This one happened during the celebration of Obama’s victory:
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A man wearing a McCain-Palin T-shirt during a Philadelphia celebration on election night was arrested, cuffed and stuffed into a police cruiser.

Philadelphia Police Sgt. Ray Evers told WND the man, whose name was not released, was arrested for disorderly conduct and public drunkenness.

"He was causing large crowds to form around him," Evers said, adding that he also "was not listening to police commands."

"This man was arrested for going into a crowd of Obama supporters post-election wearing a John McCain-Sarah Palin T-shirt," the audio explains. "The officers asked him to leave, he refused … then he was assaulted by officers. Now he's being put into a patrol car”.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80405
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At least five people were arrested across the city after Barack Obama's victory rally in Grant Park, including a woman who slapped a Chicago police officer, saying police couldn't arrest her anymore, prosecutors said today.

Hart, who is black, yelled " 'White [expletive], [expletive] McCain--you white police can't do nothing anymore.'" With that, she reached through the window of a squad car and slapped a white male officer in the face, according to Assistant State's Atty. Lorraine Scaduto.

Others who appeared before Circuit Judge Israel Desierto included Andre Murph, 37, of Aurora, who was arrested after police saw him shooting a handgun into the ground on the Southwest Side.

Narada Thomas, 23, of the 1200 North Central Avenue, was arrested with a handgun near his home.

Kenneth Smith, 24, of the 6700 block of South Ada Street, was arrested after he allegedly fired a handgun outside his home. Smith, who is on parole for a previous weapons conviction, told authorities that "the police only arrested him because a black man won for president," Scaduto said.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2008/11/some-mayhem-arrests-after-o
bama-rally.html
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Noble was standing in McIntosh Park, next to Irvine Park, when people noticed that he was packing a gun in a holster and notified sheriff?s deputies.

After a brief confrontation Noble was taken into custody, and his gun, a Glock 9mm, was confiscated. He was questioned by state police and released.

The Industry man said he?s never been confronted by police over his habit of wearing a holstered pistol on his waist ? that is until Aug.
29.

Beaver County District Attorney Anthony Berosh said the issue isn?t whether Noble was legally carrying a gun. State police said Noble did not violate the state?s open carry law, under which you don?t need a permit to carry a weapon in plain sight.

Instead, Berosh said, it?s a battle between two constitutional rights: The right to bear arms and the right to assemble peaceably and without fear.
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.politics/2008-09/msg01
144.html

Those are the only instances I can find of people arrested at Obama rallies. There are myriad articles on people arrested at Bush rallies.

In the first, if the man wasn’t drunk, perhaps it was wrong to arrest him. But given the crowd was getting ugly and there was a commotion, it could have gotten nasty. In another, it was PEOPLE who alerted the police, not the police acting on their own accord. While people with guns—and shooting them off—were arrested at the Obama victory celebration, at other rallies they’ve not been arrested, only questioned:
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Hendrickson showed up to the event with a Glock in a holster, and a Kel Tec 380 -- known for its light weight and "manageable recoil" -- in his back pocket. The local police and the Secret Service question Hendrickson after seeing the outline of a gun in his camo shirt, he said.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/secret_service_quest
ioned_man_with_guns_outside_ob.php

None but one of them were the same as merely going to a rally with a t-shirt on, and I can’t imagine what would have happened to those protesting Bush if they’d been carrying guns. We can’t know, but my bet is they’d have been arrested on sight.

It’s only a matter of perspective, that’s all I’m pointing out.

Given the fact that the quotes you cited regarded violence, I certainly agree they needed to be dealt with. Your first two, by the way, are duplicates, and there appears to be no mention of the church fire being set by Palin opponents. Also, the one about the RNC offices says “Investigators at the scene found a partially burned, two-headed effigy in military fatigues. One head had the face of President Bush and the other the face of his failed Democratic challenger John Kerry.” That rather indicates those who caused the damage were against the government itself, and/or BOTH sides, don’t you think?

I would still like to see some evidence that the violent rhetoric on the Democratic side by POLITICIANS and/or people in authority comes even close to equaling that of Republican politicians in House or Senate and/or others in authority, or even on TV. I don’t think their equal can be shown, and it’s bad enough that mob mentality and hatred can be found on both sides; it’s the people in authority who also need to be held responsible for the feelings they incite.

Lastly, given that all of the incidents of what appears to be violence have been claimed by those here and in the media as having actually been Democrats and that there's no proof they either happened or they were done by Republicans, the same question has to be asked in the reverse.

Beyond that, I agree that signs such as you posted and violence or threats of same are reprehensible, and has happened on both sides. If it's hypocrisy for the left to claim what's happening is wrong, then it's equal hypocrisy for the right.


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Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:34 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:
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I agree that kooks on either side exist, and that it’s disgusting. There is no argument there. I also agree that anyone suspected of planning violence should be arrested and investigated.

I'm guessing the majority of people anti-Obama are regular folk, just like the majority of people anti-Bush.

It’s only a matter of perspective, that’s all I’m pointing out.


Beyond that, I agree that signs such as you posted and violence or threats of same are reprehensible, and has happened on both sides. If it's hypocrisy for the left to claim what's happening is wrong, then it's equal hypocrisy for the right.

Beautiful!
I am emotionally compromised now.
May you live long and prosper!


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Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:38 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


RL

Here's another item just for you: Apparently the RNC leaders can't find it in themselves to join with the DNC leaders in calling for civility on both sides. I guess there is something controversial in that proposal.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/35096.html


The Republican National Committee has rejected a proposal from its Democratic counterpart to sign a joint “civility” statement, POLITICO has learned.


Various members of the DNC — including Chairman Tim Kaine, Executive Director Jen O’Malley Dillon and Communications Director Brad Woodhouse — contacted their respective RNC counterparts this week in hopes of getting RNC Chairman Michael Steele to co-sign a document with Kaine that, in part, called for “elected officials of both parties to set an example of the civility we want to see in our citizenry.”


“We also call on all Americans to respect differences of opinion, to refrain from inappropriate forms of intimidation, to reject violence and vandalism, and to scale back rhetoric that might reasonably be misinterpreted by those prone to such behavior,” read the proposed joint statement, which came at the end of a week that saw acts of vandalism and threats of violence directed at members of Congress from both parties, but mostly aimed at Democrats who voted yes on the health care bill.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:38 AM

MINCINGBEAST


i aim to help riverlove develop his malevolence. we'll start with flies, and then move up to puppies.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:39 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:

No venting here friend. Just showing what the Left has done in recent times, and why I have to call them out on their utter hypocrisy when they say Tea Party people are violent and dangerous with their protest signs and their anti-Obama rhetoric. Glad you liked the pics.



But, by your own logic, in pointing out the hypocrisy of "the left" by doing what they themselves are complaining about... aren't you complaining about what they're doing, and in effect pointing out YOUR hypocrisy? (And when I say "your", I of course mean every person on the right who has claimed that (a) they NEVER do anything like this, and (b) there's nothing wrong with it anyway, since it's only exercising free speech)


Still haven't seen any evidence that any of those people are on "the left", though. But thanks for playing anyway.




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Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:44 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

Just some questions for you: Are these people democrats ? And, why do you assume they are when they not ?


Sorry Rue, but Kwicko raised that question first. You can read my response back to him if you like, or you can do as I suggested at the end of my original post. I hope that's clear enough even for a super-sized obtuse twit like you to comprehend.





Well, yeah, I *did* ask it first, but note for the record that you never actually ANSWERED the question. So Rue bringing it up again isn't exactly out of line.

Once again, do you have any evidence that these people are on "the left"? Or was that just a giant ASSumption on your part?




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Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:51 AM

MINCINGBEAST


hmm. clearly, it is not a fair inference that these are lefty types, like me, in the photos. the gal with blue hair, and the dude with the mohawk, are obviously right-wingers, which is why they are protesting a right-winger and calling for his death.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 7:53 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:
Originally posted by rue:

Here's another item just for you: Apparently the RNC leaders can't find it in themselves to join with the DNC leaders in calling for civility on both sides. I guess there is something controversial in that proposal.

The Republican National Committee has rejected a proposal from its Democratic counterpart to sign a joint “civility” statement, POLITICO has learned.

I'm no RNC lover by a long shot. I posted just yesterday my utter contempt for Chairman Steele. It's a real shame that they cannot agree to be civil in their Govt roles, but the reason is pretty obvious. They want to both sow and ride the wave of discontent with Obama and Dem's Congress all the way until November; while the Dems want to either move on to new business, or for the betterment of their fund-raising efforts, continue to accuse Repubs of being cheerleaders for anti-Obama elements out there. It's all politics. American citizens are merely the useful idiots manipulated back and forth in this endless war of ideology.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:00 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Once again, do you have any evidence that these people are on "the left"? Or was that just a giant ASSumption on your part?



Oh, I think we all know the answer. Even River, though no admission will be forthcoming.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:
Beautiful!
I am emotionally compromised now.
May you live long and prosper!
I can only assume that's a snark, given your verbiage and feelings about me.

But where is there any comment on the rest of what I took the time to point out and cite? I can only guess inability to recognize and speak to the hypocrisy on the right...despite the fact that honesty would require changing the topic to "the Sanctimonious Hypocrisy of Politics".

By the way, given the word "sanctimonious", which refers to "affecting piousness : hypocritically devout; also: indicative of affected piousness", in other words affectation of religious self-righteousness, shall we go into the sanctimony of the right claiming sole possession of "decency", respect for religion and belief in morals, while committing adultery, homosexuality (which THEY claim is immoral) and numerous other sexual behaviors?

Given the left has never claimed any special privilege of religious morality, while the right repeatedly and loudly has, don't their actions have something to do with hypocrisy?


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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:02 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Yeah, both sides have used inflamatory posters.

Let's see how things stack up when we get down to actions.....



Come on Riverlove.... you must have something to respond to this with, right? Right?

Maybe not....

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:04 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:

No venting here friend. Just showing what the Left has done in recent times, and why I have to call them out on their utter hypocrisy when they say Tea Party people are violent and dangerous with their protest signs and their anti-Obama rhetoric. Glad you liked the pics.



But, by your own logic, in pointing out the hypocrisy of "the left" by doing what they themselves are complaining about... aren't you complaining about what they're doing, and in effect pointing out YOUR hypocrisy? (And when I say "your", I of course mean every person on the right who has claimed that (a) they NEVER do anything like this, and (b) there's nothing wrong with it anyway, since it's only exercising free speech)




I sometimes ask myself if wingnuts are self aware enough to even grasp such a concept. And I generally answer "nope."

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:10 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Once again, do you have any evidence that these people are on "the left"? Or was that just a giant ASSumption on your part?



Oh, I think we all know the answer. Even River, though no admission will be forthcoming.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."



For that matter, can anyone show me all the heavily-armed anti-government LEFT-WING militias that must have been so active during the Bush Regime, and that took their guns to his every speech and appearance?






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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:12 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
hmm. clearly, it is not a fair inference that these are lefty types, like me, in the photos. the gal with blue hair, and the dude with the mohawk, are obviously right-wingers, which is why they are protesting a right-winger and calling for his death.



Are there no right-wing punks? Really? I used to know a guy who was big into the punk scene, sported the mohawk and piercings, and was an active member of the John Birch Society.




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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:13 AM

MINCINGBEAST


Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:

Given the left has never claimed any special privilege of religious morality, while the right repeatedly and loudly has, don't their actions have something to do with hypocrisy?


well, i think its only fair to point out that the left claims a special privilege of morality, albeit one not based on religion. rather, it is based on atheism and self-loathing. ;).

everyone must believe that have a superior moral ground over their foes--its just part of our political culture, and our failing as a nation. for example, PN, Rappy, and RL aren't just wrong, and I don't just disagree with them--they are crazy and dumb and immoral and evil.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:17 AM

MINCINGBEAST


Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Are there no right-wing punks? Really? I used to know a guy who was big into the punk scene, sported the mohawk and piercings, and was an active member of the John Birch Society.



ah come now chap, you're splitting the hair a little thin, aren't you? i imagine that somewhere out there, there must be a seriously confused fellow who expresses his love/hate relationship with authority with tattoos and membership in the birchers. but by and large, if you see punker with a mohawk, i believe that it is more likely than not that he is liberal. the converse of this, is that when you see a fellow with hair like newt gingrich, a pot belly, and a t-party shirt, that it is more likely than not he faps to sarah palin. to suggest otherwise is to be silly, and quarrelsome. ;)

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:29 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
everyone must believe that have a superior moral ground over their foes--its just part of our political culture, and our failing as a nation. for example, PN, Rappy, and RL aren't just wrong, and I don't just disagree with them--they are crazy and dumb and immoral and evil.

They call the wind Mariah, but I'm officially changing that to mincingbeast. Hey, the worst thing I've ever been called here came from our friend Kwicko last year, when multiple times he called me a "death-loving cunt." After I cried and cried for days, I came to a point where I sort of admired him for that, because he clearly put his feelings on his sleeve and lashed out with 100% pure un-adulterated venomous poison. You've got some work to do MB before you can attain that level of hatred and profanity, but I have a feeling you can get there too if you set your mind to it. I'll be here, and a few others too, for you to use as fodder for sharpening your skills in that area. Mazel tov!

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:38 AM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
I sometimes ask myself if wingnuts are self aware enough to even grasp such a concept. And I generally answer "nope."


How uniquely marvelous for you that you can both ask and answer your own questions! Sounds like you should be in politics.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:44 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

Are there no right-wing punks? Really? I used to know a guy who was big into the punk scene, sported the mohawk and piercings, and was an active member of the John Birch Society.



ah come now chap, you're splitting the hair a little thin, aren't you? i imagine that somewhere out there, there must be a seriously confused fellow who expresses his love/hate relationship with authority with tattoos and membership in the birchers. but by and large, if you see punker with a mohawk, i believe that it is more likely than not that he is liberal. the converse of this, is that when you see a fellow with hair like newt gingrich, a pot belly, and a t-party shirt, that it is more likely than not he faps to sarah palin. to suggest otherwise is to be silly, and quarrelsome. ;)



Ah, but aren't you now participating in the kind of gross generalization the right accuses the left of when we point out that the tea-baggers are in general a racist bunch?




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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:48 AM

MINCINGBEAST


Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:
You've got some work to do MB before you can attain that level of hatred and profanity, but I have a feeling you can get there too if you set your mind to it.


i disagree with you. hence, you are dumb and evil and mentally ill! you represent everything that is wrong with everything!

crap, i'm just no good at this. but i will get better.

your breath stinks!

thats no good, either.

do you like chocolate? i hate chocolate! you are stupid and smelly and so forth for liking chocolate.

but if i may be serious, the only thing that i hate more than conservatives, and freedom, must be piety of any sort--conservative or otherwise. you're not pious, are you?

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:50 AM

MINCINGBEAST


fair enough kwicko. if i see a dude with a beard, i suppose it is a gross generalization to assume that it is in fact a dude. it could, in fact, be a lady with a beard, for example. not reasonable at all to jump to hasty conclusions based on physical signifiers that people deliberately choose. ;)

i disagree with you so much now that i am gonna become a conservative!

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:55 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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if you see punker with a mohawk, i believe that it is more likely than not that he is liberal
How does that square with the "latte-drinking liberal" image? Or the "leather elbow-patch elitist liberal"? Or the "wafer-thin female vegan liberal"? Seems like you see a LOT of people and think "liberal"!

FWIW, when I see a punker with a mowhawk, I assume he's a nihilist.

You need to get a bigger politcal vocabulary.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:56 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


"... or for the betterment of their fund-raising efforts, continue to accuse Repubs of being cheerleaders for anti-Obama elements out there."

I'd like to point out that this is illogical. If the Democrats want to continue to point to Republicans as racist/ inflammatory/ extreme (to better fill their coffers) then they would WANT Republicans to keep up their current behavior. They would not have offered to join with them in a mutual civility pact.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:56 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
Originally posted by Riverlove:
Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
everyone must believe that have a superior moral ground over their foes--its just part of our political culture, and our failing as a nation. for example, PN, Rappy, and RL aren't just wrong, and I don't just disagree with them--they are crazy and dumb and immoral and evil.

They call the wind Mariah, but I'm officially changing that to mincingbeast. Hey, the worst thing I've ever been called here came from our friend Kwicko last year, when multiple times he called me a "death-loving cunt." After I cried and cried for days, I came to a point where I sort of admired him for that, because he clearly put his feelings on his sleeve and lashed out with 100% pure un-adulterated venomous poison. You've got some work to do MB before you can attain that level of hatred and profanity, but I have a feeling you can get there too if you set your mind to it. I'll be here, and a few others too, for you to use as fodder for sharpening your skills in that area. Mazel tov!



Actually, I didn't initiate that, but said that you were definitely living up to the moniker. *I* didn't call you a "death-loving cunt" - that was someone else. But you did your damnedest to behave like one, didn't you? And you unleashed streams and streams of profanity on me and several others, and even called for some people to be banned outright.

Want me to post the link? I've got it handy. I can pretty easily and clearly show that, as usual, you're lying.




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Thursday, April 1, 2010 9:00 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
fair enough kwicko. if i see a dude with a beard, i suppose it is a gross generalization to assume that it is in fact a dude. it could, in fact, be a lady with a beard, for example. not reasonable at all to jump to hasty conclusions based on physical signifiers that people deliberately choose. ;)

i disagree with you so much now that i am gonna become a conservative!



Wrong again. If you see a dude with a beard, it's a gross generalization to assume he's a liberal, or to assume he's a Jew. Fact is, I know more punks that lean to the right, and go with the "Kill 'em all!" crowd, which is generally a pretty conservative bunch. Given your violent tendencies, I'd say you'd make quite a happy conservative, and they'd be happy to have you.




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Thursday, April 1, 2010 9:01 AM

MINCINGBEAST


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Originally posted by SignyM:
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You need to get a bigger politcal vocabulary.


probably true. though a nihilist, my vocabulary, political or otherwise, is mostly limited to euphemisms for my private parts.

but there's no need to split the hair too finely for the purposes of this awesome thread. broadly speaking, there are two major genres of assholes in politics: conservatives and liberals. the various sub-categories are of no present interest for the purposes of trol--er, discussion.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 9:01 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Feel free Kwicko. I know for a fact you didn't call RL a death loving cunt bc I did. But I have to clarify that I did so only after saying... You can dish it out, let's see if you can take it.

As usual, the answer was "no".

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 9:05 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Mincing, there are certainly MORE animals in the zoo than "conservatives and liberals". In fact, my more left-leaning friends call liberals "liberaloids" to denote the typical liberal solution for injustice as "just enough amelioration to maintain the status quo".

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 9:10 AM

RIVERLOVE


Signy, Kwicko just called me that again last week, so please don't fight about who called me that first. Back then, when a Conservative would get dozens of profanity-laced responses back an hour, it could be easy to get the authors mixed up. Now just to make peace for you with golden boy, I give permission for you both to lay claim and promulgate that wonderful term all day long. Besides, I abhor violence.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 9:11 AM

MINCINGBEAST


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Wrong again. If you see a dude with a beard, it's a gross generalization to assume he's a liberal, or to assume he's a Jew. Fact is, I know more punks that lean to the right, and go with the "Kill 'em all!" crowd, which is generally a pretty conservative bunch. Given your violent tendencies, I'd say you'd make quite a happy conservative, and they'd be happy to have you.


violent tendencies? violent tendencies? you say that to my face, fool! say it! i'll go poo poo in your lungs! i know karate! i can bench press 600 lbs! here, this if my internet face. say it!

generalizations are rad. this is why i see a mohawk and think "hmm...supports the status quo, likes sarah palin." anyway, here, the beard works as a signifier reduced to its absurd conclusion. i considered "kk hood" instead of beard, but the word "beard" is better to type.

also, if there is a putative punk rocker out there that admires sarah palin and listens to rush limbaugh, i think that it is an example of "doin it wrong", and I would be happy to hella beat them up and so forth and do violence to them because they are silly, etc...

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 9:16 AM

MINCINGBEAST


Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Mincing, there are certainly MORE animals in the zoo than "conservatives and liberals". In fact, my more left-leaning friends call liberals "liberaloids" to denote the typical liberal solution for injustice as "just enough amelioration to maintain the status quo".


certainly, but they're all either species of scaly, stinky reptiles (conservatives), or soft fluffy mammals (liberals).

and also, egads, enough with the nuance! nuance is dangerous! especially nuance for the sake of nuance. ;)

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 9:17 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


River, love... I usually don't write profanity-laced, relentless insulting posts. That's YOUR speciality. When you get back just a smidgen of what you dish out, you whine about it forever! But since neither facts nor logic seem to work for you, it's good to know what gets under your skin, just for future reference.

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