SoCal Earthquake by out2theblack

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Sunday, April 4, 2010 1:50 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Leetle bitty geography lesson for 'ya, OTB--Baja California isn't "California". It's in Mexico, you see. That long little peninsula that stretches from the US border South, y'know?

My sympathy goes out to the people there, especially given their poverty and state of their buildings, few of which I'm sure can stand up to a 6.9.

But it has nothing to do with California proper; buildings in L.A. and up here are built to withstand that and more. I'm sure there was some rattling and rolling, but nothing we're not used to. I'll check:

Yup, as I figured:

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Residents of southern California are reporting a long, rolling quake that shook furniture and dishes. So far there have been no reports of serious injuries.

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The earthquake rattled buildings on the west side of Los Angeles and in the San Fernando Valley, interrupting Easter dinners. Chandeliers swayed and wine jiggled in glasses.

Tremors were felt as far away as Phoenix.

There were no initial reports of damage in the San Diego area.

I doubt any injuries resulted on our side of the border; I just hope the injuries were few in Mexico. We'll no more as time goes on, but I have no fears for "California". Maybe Rue will pop in and tell us what's up.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Sunday, April 4, 2010 2:01 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Leetle bitty geography lesson for 'ya, OTB--Baja California isn't "California". It's in Mexico, you see.

...But it has nothing to do with California proper; buildings in L.A. and up here are built to withstand that and more. I'm sure there was some rattling and rolling, but nothing we're not used to. I'll check:

Yup, as I figured:Residents of southern California are reporting a long, rolling quake that shook furniture and dishes. So far there have been no reports of serious injuries.

The earthquake rattled buildings on the west side of Los Angeles and in the San Fernando Valley, interrupting Easter dinners. Chandeliers swayed and wine jiggled in glasses.

Tremors were felt as far away as Phoenix.

Particularly anal response from you , Nik...
Almost racist point of view , too...

Nothing to do with California proper, eh ?

FYI , 'Baja' California is California , too , with the Baja denoting 'lower' or 'more southern' on the map...

I know where California is , dillweed...

Being that my father is a native , as is the majority of my family , and I've spent so much of my life there...

If folk in SoCal could feel the quake , then it's a SoCal quake , probably the more particularly so , since the epicenter was in Baja...

You can look it up , later...

And you wanna continually whine and moan that the conversations don't go your way...

I expect st00pid from you , but you abuse the privilege...

Sure , in a political sense , Baja is another country...But , this is a geological matter...

Pretty much your usual level of relevance in your commentary...

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Sunday, April 4, 2010 2:17 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Rue felt it and called us, but we didn't (we were working in the garage at the time). I'm sure Rue will pop in later.

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Sunday, April 4, 2010 2:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

This is where I go every time I feel an earthquake. It's a really cool map which is updated by the minute.

http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/

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Sunday, April 4, 2010 2:38 PM

http://www.google.com/search?q=S.+California+earthquake&hl=en&sa=G&rls
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As of this moment , the Google search on the subject 'S. California earthquake' returns 1580 hits , in 'News'...

Google knows...

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Monday, April 5, 2010 11:03 AM

GINOBIFFARONI

ATTENTION ALL

Niki and I have come to an impasse

I do not want to talk to her on this board

I do not want her jumping into my conversations with other people

I do not want her yapping about me any more

She seem incapable of the reasonable request of simply leaving me alone, so I unfortunately have to respond by well... responding to ALL of her posts.

You see our disagreement stems on the lines that I feel folk who engage in mass murder deserve to see some kind of justice

as well as a citizen of a country has some responsibility concerning the actions of their country...

to that end here is some of the victims Niki seems to feel does not deserve any justice

Sorry for the inconvenience, Please Return to your day

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Monday, April 5, 2010 1:04 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SignyM:
This is where I go every time I feel an earthquake. It's a really cool map which is updated by the minute.

http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/

Typical GOVERNMENT scientific web site.

THAT figures.

I've had the USGS on my favs list for well over 10 years,back when I was "debating " w/ the y2k nuts, on the myth that there were more earthquakes in the years leading up to Dec 31,1999, and Jesus was NOT coming back.

I still don't think they believe me, even today

Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Monday, April 5, 2010 2:54 PM

MAL4PREZ

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I've had the USGS on my favs list for well over 10 years,back when I was "debating " w/ the y2k nuts, on the myth that there were more earthquakes in the years leading up to Dec 31,1999, and Jesus was NOT coming back.

I still don't think they believe me, even today

Of course not! They really meant 2012, don't you know.

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Monday, April 5, 2010 3:20 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Nice snark, OTB. How many foul names can you call me, I should count...naw, not worth the effort.

The fact remains, Baja California is in Mexico, period. Of course it was felt in Southern California; I was correcting your text, nothing more. Of COURSE it's everywhere as a Southern California 'quake; this is AMERICA...we're only interested if it's a huge disaster or it hits here.

I had to turn off the TV last night, I got so sick to death of it. Here's my gripe:

"If it bleeds, it leads". They do this with everything, and it's so stupid. There was a press conference, in it they said there was a 5% chance of another quake that size or larger. They said aftershocks might AT MOST get as high a 6 Richter.

So what did we hear every single time I tried to tune back into the news for the rest of the day? Dire warnings that there was a good chance of another, bigger quake, and expectations of 6 Richter aftershocks. They had video after video of swishing swimming pools and said people were terrified. They talked about people stuck in elevators (sure, they shut down for a short time or if they lose power, it's a safety measure) and Disneyland closing down (ALL amusement parks close down after a moderate-to-large 'quake to make sure there's no damage, it's the law). Los Angelesians understand 'quakes--I'm sure some were frightened, but nothing like they were portraying. Any who've lived there for long enough--you remember "Independence Day"? The couple who woke up from sleeping, figured it was a 'quake, and guessed the Richter? THAT's how we take them.

That's what makes me angry. When we had the Loma Prieta, friends from Back East called to see if we'd survived! The house shook some, sure, but it wasn't that bad, and the only places affected (besides up in the Santa Cruz Mountains where some peoples' homes were damaged) were the Marina (which is built on fill, which becomes quicksand in a quake), a panel falling down on the Bay Bridge, a badly-built freeway collapsing in Oakland, and the World Series game being shook up a bit. If you have any concept of how big the Bay Area and surrounding geographical area is, you'd be shocked to see nothing else touched. Nowhere else was there any serious damage. Is that the picture any of those of you around during the Loma Prieta got??

Now I in NO way minimize the deaths and injuries of ANYONE in any earthquake, it's horrific for them. But the MSM's obsession with these things paints a disasterous picture to the rest of the country, and it's wrong. Hurricanes cause area-wide damage; even tornadoes wreak havoc along their path for miles. Earthquakes cause area-wide damage, but unless it's somewhere like Haiti or another poor country, or it's REALLY big, it's not what the MSM portrays.

Saw videos from So. Ca. of water sloshing out of swimming pools and chandeliers swaying. It was an earthquake; yes, these things happen. I hope nobody was injured (only one death as far as I've heard) and I hope there was no serious damage. They talked about it being felt in "Northern California" and Sac'to...bullshit. I was sitting right here in Marin and didn't feel a thing...none of us did. The area they're talking about around Sac'to is a GEOTHERMAL area, it feels everything.

Up here, it got minor coverage on the local stations, but all five of them had other things to cover too...most of the building in So. Ca., like up here, are built to sway in a 'quake, not fall. It's unnerving; I've been there. People get trapped in elevators for a short time, all amusement parks shut down to check for damage.

It's important that it was in Baja because there's poverty, old buildings and buildings which AREN'T safe in a quake...that's where the focus should be, not L.A. But L.A. is USA, so gotta make it big. Bah. Only CNN that I saw was focused on nothing else, and making as dramatic a thing of it as humanly possible. I didn't bother with anything but the locals and CNN, I was too disgusted by the latter.

You wanna see how it ACTUALLY affected So. Cal. and LA? Check this out:

And THIS is how it affected MEXICO, a la Baja California:

Even there, nothing over a 4 that I can see...but quite a swarm. In Baja, in Mexico. Nothing racist about it, it IS geological. It's another country. Perspective, dear, perspective!

There, that's my rant for the day. It bugged me until I picked up a book rather than listen to more, given there was nothing on SyFy, Nat. Geo, Animal Planet and no decent movies. It bugged me again this morning when I heard updates still tossing around the fear factor. Now it's out of my system. Thanx for letting me get it off my chest.

Basically, when you hear news of disasters and see footage and videos, QUESTION IT, don't take it for granted it's quite as huge and disasterous as they're making it sound.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Monday, April 5, 2010 3:39 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I've had the USGS on my favs list for well over 10 years,back when I was "debating " w/ the y2k nuts, on the myth that there were more earthquakes in the years leading up to Dec 31,1999, and Jesus was NOT coming back.

I still don't think they believe me, even today
Of course not! They really meant 2012, don't you know.

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It's been fun, watchin' the Apocalypse crowd re-draw the lines in the sand...

2000 - HE returns!!!
No,wait....the new millennium REALLY starts 2001, being that 0 isn't a number,(what ever), and we start counting with 1,you see, and....umm....wait....
2005 - 05-05-2005! all the planets will align, and the gravity pull will cause the poles to shift, you see....
2012 - Yeah, that's the ticket. Those savages had it right, 100's of years ago, and long after their civilization faded into obscurity...( funny, they didn't see their OWN extinction, just on the horizon.. )
2025 - ( Just in case ).... big asteroid comin'. It's in the Bible. Look it up.

Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Monday, April 5, 2010 3:55 PM

MAL4PREZ

I'll add 2014. I always wear #14 on my jersey.

My favorite end-of-the-world experience: I was visiting my sister for the holidays in 1999, and there was a news show listing the top 10 candidates for Antichrist. Seriously. Some group of whackjobs had come up with this list in all earnestness, so they'd know who to watch as the clock counted down.

So my sister turns to me and says: "Damn! Who do you have to fuck around here to make the Antichrist list?"

(There were many levels of humor - she lived in Focus on the Family land.)

Anyhow, Niki, sorry for the side track.

My pet peeve is when people who I thought should know better - ie the Discovery Channel - get going with:

Dah-dah-DAH! [cue scary music] When will the next one STRIKE!?! It's lurking, just around the corner, waiting to GET us and DESTROY us with its fiery/shaky/watery fury!!"

Sheesh. Earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis... realities of the world. These events don't give a shit if we're in the way or not. They're just part of the process, and they're going to happen. If we'd get over the drama and try to be prepared rather than frightened, we'd be so much better off.

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Monday, April 5, 2010 4:09 PM

I am an expert on all things Californian, as a 6th generation native whose forefathers stole this beautiful land fair and square from the Mexicans.

As such, Baja California is not real California. In fact, anything south of the San Francisco Bay is not real California. It is So-Cal, short for "so-called california." And it sucks.

Nobody I know up here felt the earthquake, but everyone's talking about it.

Also, out-in-the-black, I will offer you free lessons on insults and flaming. You suck at it now, but with a little bit of patience and a lot of hard work, I'm sure I can have you up to the proficiency of a 12 year old. PM me.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 4:43 AM

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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
I am an expert on all things Californian, as a 6th generation native whose forefathers stole this beautiful land fair and square from the Mexicans.

As such, Baja California is not real California. In fact, anything south of the San Francisco Bay is not real California.

Perhaps not so much an expert as your delusions tell you :

Native American period
Main article: Population of Native California
Native Americans have lived in the area which is now California for 13,000 to 15,000 years. Numerous tribes and bands inhabited the area.[1] Estimates of the Native American population during the pre-European period range from 100,000 to 700,000, with a median estimate of around 300,000.

[edit] European exploration

The 1562 map of Americas, which applied the name California for the first time.European explorers flying the flags of Spain and of England explored the Pacific Coast of California beginning in the mid-16th century. Francisco de Ulloa explored the west coast of present-day Mexico including the Gulf of California, proving that Baja California was a peninsula,[2] but in spite of his discoveries the myth persisted in European circles that California was an island. His account provides the first-recorded use of the name "California".

The first European to explore the California coast was João Rodrigues Cabrilho, better known by the Spanish version of his name, Juan Rodriguez Cabrillo. He was a Portuguese navigator sailing for the Spanish Crown. He was the first European to set foot in present day California, landing on September 28, 1542, on the shores of San Diego Bay. He claimed California for Spain.[3] He also landed on San Miguel, one of the Channel Islands, and continued as far as Pt. Reyes. After his death the crew continued exploring as far north as Oregon.

The English explorer Francis Drake sailed along the coast of California in 1579. He put ashore somewhere north of Cabrillo's landing site - the actual location of Drake's landing was secret and is still undetermined[4] - and claimed the land for England, calling it Nova Albion. The term "Nova Albion" was therefore used on many European maps to designate territory north of the Spanish settlements.[5]

In 1602, 60 years after Cabrillo, the Spaniard Sebastián Vizcaíno explored California's coastline from San Diego as far north as Monterey Bay. He named San Diego Bay and held the first Christian church service recorded in California on the shores of San Diego Bay.[6] He also put ashore in Monterey and made glowing reports of the Monterey area as an anchorage and as land suitable for settlement. He also provided detailed charts of the coastal waters, which were used for nearly 200 years.[7]

In 1778 the British seafaring Captain James Cook mapped the coast of California and the western coast of the North American continent all the way to the Bering Strait.

In 1786 Jean-François de Galaup, comte de La Pérouse led a group of scientists and artists who compiled an account of the Californian mission system, the land and the people. Traders, whalers and scientific missions followed in the next decades.[8]

[edit] Spanish colonial period
Spanish missionaries had been establishing missions in present-day Baja California since 1697. The first permanent European settlement in present-day California ("Alta California") was the Mission San Diego de Alcala and Presidio of San Diego, established in 1769. Eventually 21 missions were established along the California coast, linked by the mission trail El Camino Real. The Spanish treated Baja California and Alta California as a single administrative unit, part of the Viceroyalty of New Spain, with Monterey as its capital.

[edit] Mexican period
In 1821 Mexico gained its independence from Spain, and Alta California became a state in the First Mexican Empire. The political turmoil by which Mexico gyrated from empire to republic and back again had little effect on California; which was regarded as a sleepy backwater and was ruled by appointed governors and alcaldes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_California

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 6:16 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Hee, hee, hee; Oh, THANK YOU, Mincing. And what's more, you GOT HIM! He bought into it hook, line and sinker, and posted a lecture almost as long as my rant! Feeling a bit

about that this morning...I blame bipolar depression. Been in an episode several weeks now, that hasn't happened in years. Anyway that's my story and I'm sticking to it

Anyway, you up here in "REAL California"? I knew you were in the state, but forget where. Actually, you know, most of us time-honored "two-state Californians" draw the line somewhere down around Santa Barbara (the last decent town South of here--althought if we could shift San Diego North a couple of hundred miles, we wouldn't kick them out).

Everything South of that is LaLaLand...beach bunnies, cocaine-sniffing barely-out-of-diapers "producers" (who can be blamed for killing Firefly, of course), male models, Valley Girls, egotistical movie stars, "personalities" without talent, etc., etc. It's a pre-fab, polyester No-Man's Land that ought to have been left the desert it originally was and should stop stealing our water to fill its goddamned swimming pools! (How'zat? Think I pushed his buttons?)

Do you really feel that way Mincing, or were you just channeling me to get his goat? But hey, don't give away our secrets...not that many know that So. Ca. actually stands for "So-Called", we're in no hurry for them to find out!

I AM just teasing, OTB, as was Mincing, and mean no offense to your native land, be it California or Mexico. And my deepest sympathy DOES and always will go out to the victims of the 'quake.

We didn't need the history lesson, tho' you're more than welcome to give it for those who are interested. I only know snatches of the history of most other states, but I know my California--I'm a native, too, born and bread (in the REAL California, of course

).

Up here, we choose to think of Sir Francis as the "discoverer"--we know he's not, we just choose to think that way.

Yes, I know all the Mission System, been to a number of 'em, and San Rafael was built around ours. I know that El Camino Real means "The Highway of the King", and used to be the main highway between Mexico and up here, until they built 101, and then that abomination Interstate 5, and I betcha I can pronounce everything you wrote...as opposed to non-Californians, for whom it has always been (irritatingly) "San RAf-A-el" (which I know is it's original pronunciation, thank you, but 'it's 'MURICAN now, so we pronounce it like 'Muricans should). Just like "Coeur d'Alene", a beautiful area of Idaho, is pronounced Cordelain by the damned 'Muricans who don't even know it means "Heart of Alene" (being half French immigrant, I can gripe about that!).

You forgot the Russian influence, tho' I won't hold you accountable as that is OUR heritage up here, yours is more South-looking. We still have the Russian River and one of their old forts. I won't give the history, as I assume few but you and I and the other Crazy Californians here care.

Much here is named after Sir Francis (you forgot the "Sir", sir), and WE know exactly where he landed, only we're not sayin'

. We hold St. Francis close to our hearts, too, as SF is named after him and it's one reason SF is so animal-friendly, as he was Patron Saint of the Animals. It's no surprise Vizcaino had glowing reports of Monterey, it's gorgeous (even if it's been far too overrun by damned White Men).

Our area was inhabited by the Miwok tribes, who had it damned good--mild climate, plenty of wildlife, fish, etc., no need to fight; a very peaceful people (until the Damned White Man came along...). They gave us the names of many places, including our one much-loved Mountain, Mt. Tamalpais. Her name is shrouded in mystery, with several stories of how it originated. I like the one where she was a Miwok Princess, so I believe that one...especially as her profile is that of a sleeping princess (tho' I always felt sorry for her having such tiny boobs). My mom's ashes are buried on the knee.

There, that's a No. Cal.'s perspective (and while we're giving away secrets, I'll give away that some of you guys down there consider that "NOT California").

All that aside, the 'quake took place in MEXICO, not California proper, and wasn't felt up here for shit. It's a non-story to us; I realize it's more than that to you guys, but we get plenty of shakin' off the San Andreas and all the myriad little faults running every which way under us (didja know SLAC the Stanford Linear Accelerator, is built right across the San Andreas? Not to mention a couple of hospitals, elementary schools, etc. White Man was never known for his smarts).

We get regular shakes and we're used to them--if anything, we tend to tease each other by guessing the Richter. They're too be expected, with the damned Pacific Plate humping us all the time. Sometimes we only hear about them on the news 'cuz they're too small for us to feel, and like you we live with the rest of the country drooling at the thought of us being hit by the Big One and sliding off into the Pacific. Wait until they hear that the biggest one of all is in Illinois, and if THAT puppy pops, the whole country is in trouble!

So 'quakes are no big news, except when they hit places like Haiti; they're "medium" news when they hit close as this last one, but still have nothing to do with US. Enjoy your heritage, it's a rich and wonderful one, I'd never dream of trying to diss it. Just don' be tellin' me Baja is California, 'cuz it's not. Hell, I wouldn't think they'd WANT to be, considering how much so many hate the US!

By the way, anyone remember "Zoro, The Gay Blade"?? I've always despised Shirley Mac's brother, but man o man, he did a magnificent job on THAT one! "The ships in the filled"...hee, hee, hee!

Oh, and thanx Raptor and Mal4, yes, I get equal giggle out of the doomsayers, and yes, EVERY channel these days gives in to the "doom and gloom" drama, dammit. I wish they'd...well, we know how I feel about the MSM and "newstainment"...where is E.R. Morrow when we need him?? I guess my message on that was "don't believe everything you hear", in essence. It pissed me off when my friends Back East all called in panic to see if we were still alive after the Loma Prieta.

The biggies ARE memorable, no argument, it's indelibly etched on my mind, but only because of what we learned afterwards. We were feeding the dogs, me in the living room, Jim coming out of the kitchen with dog bowls. Looked at each other, "woops, biggie!" and all ran out on the street with the rest of the neighbors and all of us stood around for about two minutes discussing it before we all ran back indoors to turn on the TVs and see where it had hit, how big it was, and what damage it had done.

Worst WE suffered was all the damned East Bayers coming across the Richmond Bridge to clog up our rush hour 'cuz of the panel in the Bay Bridge coming down. Some discovered how much of an easier commute it is and still drive to the City this way. Assholes. We've suffered FAR worse from floods and mudslides over the years!

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 6:29 AM

I'm not sure what to make of your wiki-dump, aside from that you must have an internet connection, and are obviously a historian.

You mean to say that we didn't steal this land fair and square from the Mexicans? Or that Los Angeles is actually part of California? Clearly, it is not.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 6:33 AM

I was just feeling sort of pokey and parochial. Excuse me.

So-Cal isn't real-Cal, but still rad relative to the rest of the world. Anybody who asserts that So-Cal is a barren waste land that never should have been inhabitated is a jerk, obviously. I mean, they take our water, and in return give us their smog. A fair trade.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 6:40 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
ATTENTION ALL

Niki and I have come to an impasse

I do not want to talk to her on this board

I do not want her jumping into my conversations with other people

I do not want her yapping about me any more

She seem incapable of the reasonable request of simply leaving me alone, so I unfortunately have to respond by well... responding to ALL of her posts.

You see our disagreement stems on the lines that I feel folk who engage in mass murder deserve to see some kind of justice

as well as a citizen of a country has some responsibility concerning the actions of their country...

to that end here is some of the victims Niki seems to feel does not deserve any justice

Sorry for the inconvenience, Please Return to your day

Grow up ya whiny twat.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 6:49 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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they take our water, and in return give us their smog

Oh, gawd, THANK YOU Mincing for my first true, big guffaw of the morning. It was much appreciated. Of course it's not true, in fairness; we make plenty of our own up here these days. But it made me laugh out loud anyway, which little does these days!

Seriously, tho', from what I read, OTB isn't a historian, he has well-deserved pride in his heritage. Nothing wrong with that, and people can read it or not as they choose. Just because he comes from that wasteland down South (and I do NOT mean Baja, Mexico or South America, which one has every right to be proud of having in their heritage) is no reason to deny him a lecture, is it?

Geeezus, Story--what did you bring THAT up for???

It's almost like YOU'RE following HIS posts around like he was mine, in order to harrass him...is that really who you want to be?? Let the poor guy alone; whatever problem he's got is his problem; his threats were to ME, not you. Get a grip, there are much more fun things to do! wink:

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 7:14 AM

STORYMARK

I'm just that bored at work.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 7:18 AM

When they shook down america, all the loose nuts rolled into california.

When they shook down california, all the REALLY loose nuts rolled into venice beach.

Having done a little recon in force upon the towns street vendors (the snowball stands are especially nice) I can tell you that's an accurate assessment.

-F

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 8:13 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Absolutely! Have I mentioned there's a sign at the California border reading: "Now leaving California. Resume normal behavior"?

I will never, never argue that we aren't Crazy California. I just happen to think there are some good things to be said about our craziness!

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 8:19 AM

i tire of hearing that california is the land of flakes and nuts, or fruits and nuts, from barbarians. granted, So-Cal is a barren wasteland, culturally and otherwise. but northern california is, near as i can tell, the center of the universe, and the only civilized region in 'Merica.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 8:29 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Naw, there are a couple of other civilized places...even in America! I repeat: Where do you LIVE?

I would say our version of "civilized" would not be recognized as such by the middle of the country...or other parts!

'Sides, this thread is about the earthquake...I won't turn it into a discussion of either "civilization" OR California anymore, promise.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 9:31 AM

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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
I'm not sure what to make of your wiki-dump, aside from that you must have an internet connection, and are obviously a historian.

Just the points about it being considered one California until quite recently , in an historical sense , and Drake's landing in Nova Albion...

Once I did a presentation about Drake's landing for the Native Sons of the Golden West...It was an opportunity to learn some new information myself...

And , Nik , I'm quite familiar with the Russian settlements in Cali , and I used to camp , swim , and kayak the Russian River while on outings to collect poison oak...

'Nova Albion' sounds like a Firefly place-name to me...

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 10:09 AM

sigh.

you're no fun otb.

if so-cal isn't real cal, how can baja-cal be real cal? real simple, see? ;) also, the fact that we didn't steal baja from the mexicans, when we were busy stealing everything else, suggests that it wasn't really worth stealing.

also, i will give you an internet nickel if you can name where california got it's name. from a certain crappy book, see.

niki, i'm in sacramento, but may be relocating to the bay in pursuit of work, and lulz. note that sacramento > bay, by virtue of the capital. i'm not one of those awful sacramentans who has bay envy.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 11:07 AM

Actually, being a Michigander, and living "Below the Bridge", thus not being a Yooper...

The proper terminology is not barbarian, but Troll.
http://open.salon.com/blog/mrsraptor/2009/11/10/yooper_troll_fudgie_or
_appleknocker

Also, one of my hangouts up here is the town of Hell.
http://www.hell2u.com/
Originally established as a place to hide the stills from the dad-blasted revenooers, since if them bastard bloodsuckers wanted to go down there and look, they hadda compete with the OTHER bloodsuckers, the ginornimous michigan skeeters*.

Ironically, it's off the EVER so appropriately named Darwin Road.
(which is listed on all maps and GPS by another name, which doesn't match the signs, and thus leading to much entertainment among the locals watching your ass wander the swamps lookin for a road that don't actually exist except electronically)

*Yes, they're freakin big, to the point where at every MIMO meeting there's at *least* one person suggesting we invest in bofors guns instead of DDT.
http://www.mimosq.org/

-Frem

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 11:20 AM

frem...wait a second...lemme get this straight...

if i moved to the god forsaken part of the hinterlands that you and your barbarian kin inhabit...i would not be a barbarian...but rather a troll? I could actually call myself a troll? Is that where the mythical troll country is?

My homeland?

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 11:28 AM

Ayup, anything between the Mackinac bridge and Munroe, that's "Troll Country".

If you wanna get real cute with it, up in the "thumb" of the mitten is a town called Bad Axe.

You could be The Troll from Bad Axe, kinda got a ring to it.

We also got Grand Rapids, home of the mighty boomstick!

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 11:53 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Oh, OTB, then you've seen almost the best of us! I adore the Russian (most people do--except the River Rats in Summer, when it's overrun by tourists...). We swim there a lot in Summer, even tho' the Russian gets quite low then; there's one spot by the Monte Rio Bridge which, when not crowded with tourists renting canoes, is deep enough to be lovely. Right about here:

We used to motorcycle up there all the time, the roads were MADE for motorcycles; winding, darkly overshadowed by redwoods, cool...it's one of my favorite places in the world. Wish we could afford to live there! Only problem is, she do flood... We call them "river rats" because the people of the Russian keep rebuilding after each flood, which is every few years. And she DO flood!

I think the worst we ever saw was 21 feet above flood stage. Since a lot live up in the redwood-clad hills (Russian is NOTHING but deep redwood-clad mountains), they just stock in and wait, but the guys down by the river get wiped out nearly every time. Then they rebuild!

Here's a Nat. Guard vehicle on Main Street of one of the towns this January:

It's gorgeous country; all mountains covered with redwoods with the Russian in the middle, dotted with little towns along the River. Oh, shit, here I go:

On one side it lets out into Wine Country and Napa, so you have vineyards growing right up to the redwoods:

On the other side it opens up onto the Coast:

Which is world famous, and almost as beautiful as Oregon's. There's a road that takes you high up above the ocean and runs right along the mountains...helluva view!

If you're ever in CA, check it out--beats almost everything else we have! Hell, lemme know if any of you ever get to SF, I'll TAKE you there (yeah, I'm that stupid; people have visited from all over the world and I've driven them all around the state--I'm just careful to go through L.A. at 3:00 a.m., when the traffic isn't bumper-to-bumper-at-75mph. No kidding).

And yes, Nova Albion DOES sound Fireflyish--I'd like to imagine it being a whole world like the Russian...wouldn't that be a dream come true!!

Oh, gawd, Mincing, you poor THING! Sacamenna is the exact OPPOSITE of the Russian, and one of our ugliest parts.

Biiig city, ugly city (in Bay Arean’s opinion). Tho’ in fairness, I will give you the Sacramento River:

and the Sacramento River Delta (which lets out into the Bay):

It’s just so damned FLAT! I’m a mountain girl, m’self...that long stretch between here and Sacamenna makes me ITCH! I’m not happy again until I hit Placerville (Gold Rush Country, for them as doesn’t know) and the Sierras!

Okay, there’s your geography lesson for the day.

Yes, Mincing, DO come to the Bay Area; our work situation isn’t much better than the rest of the state, but it’s sure purtier (as long as you stay in North Bay, South Bay or Peninsula...stay away from the East Bay!). I’ll happily show you all around and help if I can. We’ve had people come stay with us while they settled here—Choey still lives with us (from MI—she appreciates the Winters!), we had to send Jo home to England (couldn’t handle her borderline AND bipolar illness), and had a young Dane come stay with us while he got settled. Come some time and check the area out if you want; you can stay with us—-only give it a couple of days, so I can drive you around, ‘kay? Just give a holler...we’re weird like that, and I’d love to meet ‘ya.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 12:15 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Ooo, ooo, ooo, Frem: WHAT MOVIE IS THAT?!?! I gotta see it!

And your "language" had me in hysterics. Choey's going home in a couple of weeks to see family, she's gonna laugh her head off when I share that with her.

By the way, wouldja clean up the snow before she does? She's a Californian now, after several years, and isn't up to all that cold crap. We ALMOST had a frost last night, but they called it off (no shit!). She talks often (but not fondly) of the “wind off the lakes”...it doesn’t sound very nice...

She told me about your “skeeters” (which I took to calling “mozzies” after Jo lived here), she says ours are still in diapers in comparison.

Pictures, I want PICTURES...of the area, and especially of “Hell”...that sounds fascinating! I love to learn about where other people live, there are so many "worlds" in the US alone, I could spend the rest of my life learning and not know 1/100th!

What different worlds we live in, eh?

Choey just came upstairs, and I had her read that language thing; she’s in hysterics, can't stopp giggling. She says it’s not just a joke, that people actually do go hunting and sometimes shoot a COW! Wow...

She also says it sounds like you’re somewhere around Travers City...is she at all close? I’d love pix of that too, she says it’s gorgeous... “all the towns along the Lake are”, according to her.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 12:20 PM

Hey Niki,

On behalf of the Sacramento Chamber of Commerce, Sacramento is not ugly. We have more trees than any other city of Paris. Granted, the trees themselves are sort of ugly, but still. And the people are kind of ugly, too.

The Sacramento River is vastly inferior to the American River, which in addition to having an awesome patriotic name, is cleaner and prettier than the Sacramento. Seriously, people routinely take dip in the Sacramento, and wish they hadn't.

Only objection to the Amerian, which I literally grew up on, is that it is damned cold, and damned fast. That, and there are rafters on it. As a lad, it was my life's goal to kill one with my slingshot.

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 12:59 PM

The movie in question is Army of Darkness and it's bloody hysterical, certainly a buy, rather than rental.

And yeah, some of us talk like that *shifty look*.

As for the "Wind off the lakes", that's kind of a nice way to put it, the one constant in the winter around here is that howling wind, which can get at times fairly intense, leading to downed trees and power lines, but in general is more of this gloomy, mournful howl which drives non-michiganders kinda batty, and you could make a case for us too, but then we already are since we live here.

There's a kinda of creepy documentary about what Detroit looks like now, that's very interesting in it's own way, but also, as part of the audio, you can HEAR the howling wind, that wasn't added for ambience, that's the actual sound - the grey haired guy reminds me of a lot of the farmers around here and just south of here, people who choose life, even in the midst of this.

Better than pictures, but that's the urban area, and I am in the dead zone between the dying detroit and the wacky place known as Ann Arbor, on the edge of one of the puny puddles we call lakes in the area.

As for the skeeters, well, this says it all.
http://inaholdingpattern.blogspot.com/2009/08/benzie-county-mosquito-t
rap.html

Now, as for the Hunters, wellll, Tom Lehrer does prolly the best description.

Basically, if you see blaze orange - DUCK!

And snow, although not so much of it this past winter, but COLD, oh yes, my gear includes an insulated full body suit and it does see use, since I have been out there when it's as cold as -35 degrees, with wind chill and humidity factors, it'll get so cold that conventional flashlights and their batteries just roll over and die, and even lantern battery powered units choke up a bit and the lenses frost over, which is why I keep a handspinner LED type as a backup in my offside pocket, and an old school steel coaches whistle in case the cellphone and other electronics go belly up too - the clock is a mechanical Detex-Newman and thus unaffected.

And yes, creepers *DO* try to burgle even then, local cops caught well over a dozen of the stupid berks (none of whom, mind you, were stupid enough to cross sabers with *me* in my "lair" in the dark... word gets around, don't you know) by simply following the footprints back to their hideouts, the morons.

It is kinda pretty, even in the dark, although that makes actually getting any pictures a bit of a trick, although I think I DO have one I can share.

This is a shot past the cherry tree, while the snow was falling - when it first falls, all crystal and shiny, it's glorious, beautiful rainbows when viewed through the security lights, and it's like walking on a river of stars, you almost feel bad about leaving tracks on it.
(Or rather would have been, if Photobucket wasn't bein useless, sorry but "please disable ALL your security and run this EXE file" isn't exactly something you wanna say to me without me lookin at you sideways)

I'll see what I can do about uploading it later.

It really is kind of a different world, from my nocturnal perspective.

-Frem

ETA: My niece thinks Led Zeppelins The immigrant song is about Michigan - gotta admit, she's halfway got a point!

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 1:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:

you're no fun otb.

if so-cal isn't real cal, how can baja-cal be real cal? real simple, see? ;) also, the fact that we didn't steal baja from the mexicans, when we were busy stealing everything else, suggests that it wasn't really worth stealing.

also, i will give you an internet nickel if you can name where california got it's name. from a certain crappy book, see.

I'm plenty of fun...Leastways , the wimmenfolk tell me that a lot .

I didn't say meso-Cal wasn't 'real' Cal...When I was itty-bitty , it was still quite real , and still beautiful in places...

Now the 200 Lost Towns in search of a city , which the LA-LA basin has come to be , would have to be considered the 'Unreal' California...

Hence , the need to distinguish the more notable bits as 'Baja' and 'Alta'...

Send me my ninny-net nickel :

By my recall , there was some popular old Spanish fantasy novel in which the queen of a certain island , populated by strange beasts and Amazons (still is !) was going by the name 'California' or something close to that...Might be of Moorish derivation , actually...

When the Spaniards discovered Baja , they thought they'd found a large island off the west coast of our continent , and named the place California , after the domain of the island's queen...Or , some such...

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 2:03 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yup. OTB gets his nickle (can you shove it through the ether?):

Quote:
In the minds of European explorers, an island populated by Amazons off the coast of the Indies was a long-established expectation. The earliest known application of the name "California" to this island of the Amazons was in the romance novel Las Sergas de Esplandián (The Adventures of Esplandián) by Spanish author Garci Rodríguez de Montalvo, whose earliest surviving edition (but not first edition) is from 1510. The book described the Island of California as being east of the Asian mainland, "very close to the side of the Terrestrial Paradise; and it is peopled by black women, without any man among them, for they live in the manner of Amazons." The Island was ruled by Queen Califia. In his work, the author drew on a long-standing European belief in such an island.
Quote:
Know that on the right hand from the Indies exists an island called California very close to a side of the Earthly Paradise; and it was populated by black women, without any man existing there, because they lived in the way of the Amazons. They had beautiful and robust bodies, and were brave and very strong. Their island was the strongest of the World, with its cliffs and rocky shores. Their weapons were golden and so were the harnesses of the wild beasts that they were accustomed to domesticate and ride, because there was no other metal in the island than gold.

–Las Sergas de Esplandián, (novela de caballería)
by García Ordóñez de Montalvo.
Published in Seville in 1510.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, April 6, 2010 2:05 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Looking forward to it, Frem, and I have already signed up for the movie on Netflix. Oboy...now let's see if I can wait for the one I've got to go back and that one come, or if I have to pop down to the video stores...haven't seen a decent movie in so long...

Gawd, I adore Tom Lehrer, there's never been his equal and never will be. Laughed my socks off, and so did Choey...many thanx!

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, April 7, 2010 8:51 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:

Yup. OTB gets his nickle (can you shove it through the ether?):

Whoa . Good cites , where'd you find those ?

Thanks for that ! This means that this year is the 500th Anniversary of the publication of said novel !

In that case , I decree that celebrations must ensue !

Oddly appropriate ; that strange look 500 years back , when our own Firefly is set 500 years in the future , +/- !

Permaybehaps , 500 years from now , someone will name a sun Firefly , and its habitable planet will be named Serenity...

Thanks for the pics...All of that scenery is dear to my heart , and very familiar...

Have you ever been to the little grove called the Armstrong Redwoods , or driven through the wine country up to Berryessa ?

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Wednesday, April 7, 2010 9:39 AM

A pixel-nickel !

Thanks !

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Wednesday, April 7, 2010 11:20 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

The cite is Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_name_California Good old Wiki!

Yeah, Armstrong Redwoods is a state reserve, so no camping, but we stopped there a couple of times on motorcycle rides. It's lovely!

Our favorite was Russian Gulch. It's under a bridge, little hidden campground, feels all cozy and not real popular. Only 12 campsites, if I remember.

It’s a gulch with bluffs on either side, so the campground is hidden in between steep walls and redwoods, very private feeling and pretty

Lotsa fog in Spring and Fall, and great trails all up through the bluffs, we bicycled them once...all deep redwoods, ferns, etc. going on for miles of interlocking trails

All kinds of stuff like the falls (we call anything over about two feet tall “falls”)

The “Octapus Tree”—you can’t stop redwoods, even when you cut them down!

Another favorite was Salt Point

It has three campgrounds; the “Gerstle Cove” one is on a bluff overlooking the ocean, and you can walk right down to the “beach” (which is actually rocks worn by the ocean tides. The sandstone rocks get worn real purty In what’s called “tafoni”

The wildflowers out there in Spring are spectacular

This one’s called (believe it or not) “Fetid Adder’s Tongue”. Actually kinda fits, if you think about it

In Spring the dunes are awash in yellow lupine

This is our little Calypso Orchid...it can only be found on the No. Cal. coast and on Mt. Tam (every year we hike up there to see them, they’re tiny, but they’re “ours”)

We have motorcycled the Wine Country many times;it’s beautiful up there, but mostly open and covered with vineyards, so not as enticing as hills, curves and little hidden roads like at the Russian (motorcycles, remember!).

It’s pretty, but mostly vineyards...we like the little towns along the way, tho’, like Calistoga

with it’s geysers and mudbaths (this is where the Baja ‘quake was felt—it’s geothermal, so it’s sensitive to all the CA ‘quakes)

and, just for you, the Sonoma Mission

You’ve got the best missions down your way, The No. Cal. ones were the last to be built and aren’t that picturesque. Here’s our Mission San Rafael Arcangel, downtown...she’s a purty one

Okay, I quit. Fun. If anything didn’t come out, I’m not gonna go back and find another like I did last time; you’ll just have to click on the link.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, April 7, 2010 1:21 PM

LITTLEBIRD

Sigh ... I miss the redwoods. Hubby and I used to live up in the Santa Cruz mountains near Big Basin Redwoods state park in a small cabin. It was a magical time.

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