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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Were I to comment on this, I probably WOULD end up in the troll forum. So I won't.
Quote:

Supreme Court strikes down law banning dogfight videos

The Supreme Court has struck down a federal law designed to stop the sale and marketing of videos showing dogfights and other acts of animal cruelty, saying it is an unconstitutional violation of free speech.

The 8-1 decision was a defeat for animal rights groups and congressional sponsors of the legislation.

The specific case before the court dealt with tapes showing pit bulls attacking other animals and one another in staged confrontations.

The justices Tuesday concluded the scope and intent of the decade-old statute was overly broad.

"The First Amendment itself reflects a judgment by the American people that the benefits of its restrictions on the government outweigh its costs," said Chief Justice John Roberts. He concluded Congress had not sufficiently shown "depictions" of dog fighting enough to justify a special category of exclusion from free speech protection.

The high court threw out the conviction of Robert Stevens, a Pittsville, Virginia, man who sold videos through his business, Dogs of Velvet and Steel. According to court records, undercover federal agents found he was advertising his tapes in Sporting Dog Journal, an underground magazine on illegal dog fighting.

Among the products Stevens advertised was "Catch Dogs," featuring pit bulls chasing wild boars on organized hunts and a "gruesome depiction of a pit bull attacking the lower jaw of a domestic farm pig," according to the Philadelphia, Pennsylvania-based appeals court that ruled on the case earlier.

Stevens was charged in 2004 with violating interstate commerce laws by selling depictions of animal cruelty. He was later sentenced to 37 months in prison, and promptly appealed. That sentence was put on hold pending resolution of this appeal.

He argued his sentence was longer than the 14 months given professional football player Michael Vick, who ran an illegal dog fighting ring.

It was the first prosecution in the United States to proceed to trial under the 1999 law.

Nearly every state and local jurisdiction have their own laws banning mistreatment of wild and domesticated animals and usually handle prosecutions of animal cruelty.

Several media organizations had supported Stevens, worrying the federal law could implicate reports about deer hunting and depictions of bullfighting in Ernest Hemingway novels.

Roberts agreed.

"Jurisdictions permit and encourage hunting, and there is an enormous national market for hunting-related depictions in which a living animal is intentionally killed," Roberts said. "An otherwise-lawful image of any of these practices, if sold or possessed for commercial gain within a state that happens to forbid the practice, falls within the prohibition of [the federal law]."

During oral arguments in October, the justices offered a number of wide-ranging hypotheticals over what the law could forbid, including: fox hunts, pate de foie gras from geese, cockfighting, bullfighting, shooting deer out of season, even Roman gladiator battles.

Only Justice Samuel Alito dissented in the case, and he focused on one of the most disturbing aspects raised in the appeal, the marketing of so-called "crush" videos, in which women -- with their faces unseen -- are shown stomping helpless animals such as rabbits to death with spiked-heel shoes or with their bare feet.

"The animals used in crush videos are living creatures that experience excruciating pain. Our society has long banned such cruelty," he said. The courts, he said, have "erred in second-guessing the legislative judgment about the importance of preventing cruelty to animals."

Roberts suggested a law specifically banning crush videos might be valid, since it was narrowly tailored to a specific type of commercial enterprise.

Alito noted that would not help dogs forced to fight each other, where, he said, "the suffering lasts for years rather than minutes."

The government had argued a "compelling interest" in stopping people who would profit from dog attack tapes and similar depictions.

If the law had been upheld, it would have been only the second time the Supreme Court had identified a form of speech undeserving of protection by the First Amendment. The justices in 1982 banned the distribution of child pornography.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/20/dog.fight.videos/index.html?hpt=Sb
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Yeah, play to the sickest, basest human urges, you sons of bitches...Roberts the worst among you! That's all I dare say.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:59 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Don't quite understand how showing 2 dogs ripping each other's throats out is constituted as 'free speech'.






Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor




Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:04 AM

BYTEMITE


If someone beats a woman, or a young man, or a kid, and a videotape is made, the person who made the videotape is an accomplice, and a criminal. The video tape becomes evidence. The same goes for animals. These videotapes also promote an activity that most people in society would find reprehensible. I'm a little iffy whether the VIDEOTAPES themselves and the selling of them would constitute a crime... It's not a nice thing, but the precise definitions I'm having trouble with. It's certainly not something we as a society would want to encourage.

EDIT: Trying to think this through. I really want to call it a crime, but I'm grasping for the right comparison, the right definition, to say that the sale of items of a certain nature must be considered a criminal offense. The best analogy I can think of is that an item that is illegal in the first place, like say stolen goods, and therefore perhaps material documenting illegal activity that was not intended by the source to be submitted for evidence, must also be illegal to sell.

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:50 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
[BYeah, play to the sickest, basest human urges, you sons of bitches...Roberts the worst among you! That's all I dare say.


Don't blame the Supreme Court for a badly written law. 8-1 is a pretty lopsided decision because the law was not up to Constitutional standards that have been around for much longer then the present Justices.

The one dissenter raises excellent points that merit consideration, but the principal reason this law failed was not because the Court supports animal cruelty, but rather because the law was simply not good enough. Go back and write a better law and they'll support it, the decision is clear on that (child pornography rulings show that it can be done properly).

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:17 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Have to agree with "Hero" on this one. It's not that they support such activity, it's that the law was written so badly that they COULDN'T uphold it within the bounds of the Constitution.

PLEASE write a better law addressing this kind of shit, and soon!




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:42 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Okay, I'll give you that point. I didn't look hard enough to find out if it was badly written and THAT's why it wasn't upheld.

And yes, someone please write a better one...


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:21 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


The hunting community was interested in seeing this law struck down as well, since it was written so broadly that a photo of little Bobby with his first deer could quite possibly have met the definition a depiction of animal cruelty, depending on location and the prosecutor's mindset.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:29 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Have to agree with "Hero" on this one.

I'm smellin' an addition to a tag line here...

But... yeah.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:31 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
a photo of little Bobby with his first deer

would be a depiction of animal cruelty in my book- but, whatever.
I admit to killing ants & mosquitoes.

BUT I DON'T TAKE PICTURES OF IT!!!!!




The laughing Chrisisall


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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:19 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


And how is Roberts the "worst" among them? Is he any worse than Sotomayor ? Stevens ? Or Breyer?

If so, how?






Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:30 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

would be a depiction of animal cruelty in my book- but, whatever.
I admit to killing ants & mosquitoes.

BUT I DON'T TAKE PICTURES OF IT!!!!!



I've noticed people seem to get weirded out if you have a tendency to coo at spiders. "C'mere lil' guy, come here, climb on this paper so you don't roast in the car." *Mandible movement my brain inexplicably interprets as chittering* "Yes, I know, I'm a scary person, aren't I? But see, you're safe now, off you go..."

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:34 PM

CHRISISALL


I TOLD the bugs, come in here in NUMBERS, or with blood-sucking devices attached, and be prepared for WAR!!!

The stray beetle or spider can go unharmed.

Such is the will of Chrisru.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Chris, you're not there yet. Keep trying.

Learn from Bytemite.


I'm not there yet either. I have a nasty tendency to smash wasps and hornets. I take no joy from it, though. And I've learned to let bees slide.

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:54 PM

BYTEMITE


It is very wise to check for wasp nests before gardening. And to not garden in the vicinity of one.

Wasps die in the winter around the same time garden plants die back to grow anew in the spring. All things may be taken in their time.

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:15 PM

FREMDFIRMA



If it's in my personal space, it *dies*.

Outside my personal space, I'll cut it some slack, but I got a serious, passionate hatred for bugs that will sting or bite you for no particular reason, unprovoked, just outta sheer viciousness, which means I completely despise Yellowjackets, among other things - just make sure to sanitize the splatter REAL quick, cause a squished Yellowjacket emits a phemerone which will call the rest of em down on you in a rather pissed off mood, and it has a pretty good range to it.

Oddly enough, cantelope seems to emulate it, which is why whenever you have a farmers market and someone is selling cantelopes, you'll wind up with a bloody horde of them evil little gits flyin around stingin folk.

Anyhow, imma live n let live kinda guy - but sting ME ?! - imma glare, and let you live, follow you back to your nest, and obliterate you, your kin, your offspring, and your entire freakin clan, cause I take that kinda personal.

Works too, no bug has stung me for eight years now, and anything with a stinger runs the hell AWAY from me as quick as it can get.

-F

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:20 PM

CHRISISALL


I absolutely HATE to kill ants, but they heed not my psychic warnings, nor the dead left at their entrances. It has become a Spring jihad, a line must be drawn HERE, NOW! THIS FAR; NO FURTHER!!!


The Ahab Chrisisall


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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:23 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

If it's in my personal space, it *dies*.


My personal space includes the area between me & my TV. Land on my flat screen & get flattened, says I.


The unforgiving Buddhaboy Chrisisall


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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:25 PM

LITTLEBIRD


I have a little round plastic container and a piece of cardboard I use to scoop the little critters up and fly them outside. That way they can spread the word that, yes, ufo's are real.

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:30 PM

CHRISISALL


UFO's zap the little defiant s**ts in my 'Verse!


The laughing Chrisisall


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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:45 PM

LITTLEBIRD


Rings up Buddha on her special space age communications device to come and have a talk with Chris.

There are exceptions to every rule though. Mosquito's really are from the dark side. They get squished.

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:52 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Littlebird:
Mosquito's really are from the dark side. They get squished.

Saddam & Cheney will be them in their next lives.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:00 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Yeah, that works for fish too - I can see the ones that get thrown back trying to tell the others about their alien abduction experience, hehehe.

Of course, if we're the aliens - I get dibs on bein THIS guy.



(I love this game, mind)

-F

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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 6:59 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


SCOTUS would have to ban this hit show on Nike TV:


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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:57 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Littlebird:
I have a little round plastic container and a piece of cardboard I use to scoop the little critters up and fly them outside. That way they can spread the word that, yes, ufo's are real.


I do something similar. I scoop them up, impale them on toothpicks, then line the edge of my yard with them as a warning to all.

Or...sometimes I use chemical weapons on them.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 6:34 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I have no problem with critters, as long as they don't get in bed with me. Given I sleep outside, I'm lucky...I've only had one yellowjacet get in by accident and sting me, two spiders, and I found a squished potato bug under one of the planks. I can't handle potato bugs; something about how they LOOK...I'm damned glad that one didn't get any further.

I regularly do the "glass and cardboard" thing with the daddy long legs that always end up in the top of the shower--there's a particular kind of little gnat that comes up from the drain, so they figure it's a good place to set up camp.

I save worms, avoid ant homes if I can, (and feel badly when I inadvertently turn one over--UNLESS they come in the house, the all bets are off), and glass-and-cardboard mosquito hawks. They're my allies; mozzies LOVE me, I'm tasty apparently. So I smash mozzies, too. And flies. And the tiny moths that are breeding somewhere in the house but I can't figure out where. If I could, I'd just toss 'em outside and let 'em fend for themselves.

Yellowjackets will also be attracted to picnics...they're meat eaters, so I swat them because they prey on bees, the bastards.

Otherwise, I'm a live-and-let-live kinda gal. ALMOST everything out there has a reason for being, so who am I to be the Hand of God?

However yes, I wouldn't mind at all if photos of Johnny and his deer were banned. Anything warm blooded, I'd better not be around when you kill it.

So I'm only a semi-good little buddhist, I expect...and if Dumbya, Darth Cheney or Turd Blossom come back as insects (which I have no doubt they will...they need a few more lives to get it right), I'd squish 'em without a second thought.

So I guess I'm a woos by "normal" standards. When I was working at MMC, they dredged a canal near us, stranding a lot of carp in drying mud. Yes, I know they're non-native and bottom feeders, but I couldn't stand watching them flop around, dying slowly. So a bunch of us from MMC waded in with hip boots, tossed 'em in buckets and heaved 'em back in the canal. I did ask Fish and Wildlife about it, but they said since they're non-native, they don't care.

So I'm a woos about living things...sue me!


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:05 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

I save worms


I feel bad for them when they're flopping around blindly at the bottom of a puddle. It's just kind of pathetic, isn't it?

Quote:

When I was working at MMC, they dredged a canal near us, stranding a lot of carp in drying mud. Yes, I know they're non-native and bottom feeders, but I couldn't stand watching them flop around, dying slowly. So a bunch of us from MMC waded in with hip boots, tossed 'em in buckets and heaved 'em back in the canal. I did ask Fish and Wildlife about it, but they said since they're non-native, they don't care.


Maybe one will remember and give you three wishes.

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:12 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Well, Ants now... ummm.

A while back, due to a felled tree, which had to be taken down after lightning hit and killed it, the Fremgirls house wound up with a growing splinter colony of these big black ants, and she's very much NOT fond of bugs, really, seriously...

Now, if you wanna wage war against ants, there's a couple ways to do it, but the one thing you MUST NOT DO is start squishing them, all this does is leave evidence of "places to avoid" and it costs them nothing but a disposable drone, they're like Borg, you see ?

When feeding, ants leave little scent trails or something, so they can find their way back, and keep track of food, hazards, and the like - they're none too bright, in fact their whole little "brain" is just a set of feedback loops, but they get a lotta shit done that way.

So, no squishin, and direct chem warfare is pointless as well, you'll cost em drones and a couple warriors, but they'll avoid the area and quickly build up an immunity, see ?

Now, if it's a SMALL colony, you can take em out via attrition with boobytraps, like half full waterglasses of sugared water placed along their regular feeding routes - which by preference will be areas that are damp or close to a water supply, the stupid little things will climb up and over like little lemmings and then drown without leaving a death spoor or warn-off sign.

But the best way, is slow poison - I don't mean chasin em around with a can of raid, or a repellent, although a repellent is a good followup after the fact, I mean something that's slow acting, because your target here is the queen, not the flunkies, and if they cap it before they get the poisoned food back to the nest, you're wasting your time.

So you pick a cumulative poison which comes on slow, there's a couple, but I won't get into the specifics unless someone asks - and you set baits out along the regular feeding paths, and then you leave the little bastards the hell ALONE - that's the hard part, for most people, especially them that hate bugs, I hadda ban the Fremgirl from that area of the kitchen for a while cause she kept flakin out and going on squishing sprees, complicating the job at hand.

Now, after a while, eventually the poison reaches a critical point, at which the queen drops dead, and not very long after that, your ant problem goes away - follow up with a strong repellent for good measure, and problem solved.

Might I remind y'all, imma Villain, and a damn sneaky one - of *course* I know a damned lot about the most effective use of poison!
(Cue: Cackle & Dry Handwash)


-F

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:14 AM

LITTLEBIRD


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by Littlebird:
I have a little round plastic container and a piece of cardboard I use to scoop the little critters up and fly them outside. That way they can spread the word that, yes, ufo's are real.


I do something similar. I scoop them up, impale them on toothpicks, then line the edge of my yard with them as a warning to all.

Or...sometimes I use chemical weapons on them.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.




I'm assuming they got a fair trial before the executions. :)

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:29 AM

BYTEMITE


I imagine Hero considers them enemy combatants and an invading force.

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 8:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ow. Okay, as I said I'm a woos...doing that to ants seems terrible to me. They're just trying to survive, too...

I used rat poison when we were inundated by "families" a couple of years ago. I hated it, but I didn't know what else to do. Taking pot shots at them with a BB gun was useless given my aim, and I had tried everything I could think of (will not bore you with the list). So I went the poison route.

That stopped the day I overturned something and found a dying rat--which I had to ask Jim to dispense with, since I'm not capable. When he'd finished I went to toss the rat in the garbage, and found that under him was his dead mate and a bunch of dead babies. I could never do that again.

Finally I solved the problem by putting a "catch" basin directly under the bird/squirrel feeders, taking feeders inside every night and cleaning the basins. One or two are around, but as long as I remember to pull stuff in and clean before dark, there isn't enough left for them to multiplied. I hope it stays that way, I don't want to go through THAT ever again!

But destroying a whole nest of ants? I couldn't do it. Here, Frem, here's an emoticon for you: It's up to every person to decide how they deal with this stuff, so you'll get no judgment from ME...besides, I consider you a "good" villain!


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:01 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh I couldn't do it to animals, I don't think.

I once got hired for a job that still gives me the occasional nightmare - there was a rotted out trailer park near a river down south, which meant they could not use poison whatever, or DNR would shit bricks, and yet the place was overrun tremendously with rats, big nasty river rats, and they weren't afraid of humans, yick!

And so, already running on a somewhat inflated rep from playing chauffer to the local gun clubs boss (who I had NO idea at the time was local mob) and having demonstrated a bit of trick shooting for him down at the club - my name came up as a possible solution since I was skilled, young, and would be way cheaper to hire, see ?

So they offered me what I thought at that age was a big chunk of change, and even covered expenses, which mostly consisted of another Ruger MKII, a stone-ax simple little .22LR with a large magazine, and a regular boatload of clips and ammo.

I took a pair of belts made for shotgun shells and stuffed em with clips, since I couldn't sleep and spent all night loading the damn things, and at first them nasty critters were givin me the evil eye till I chucked a half full coffee can fulla gasoline at em and followed it with a match - they got the idea right quick like, yanno ?

And it was ok at first, chasin em around and pottin em - they couldn't get away cause they had fibreglass fencing around the place sunk in two feet deep and the rats couldn't chew through it, they can't vomit, so they'd die tryin before they got through.

So then I got a crowbar, and ripped the skirting offa one of them trailers - you wanna talk fear, when the light hit all them beady eyes and they all came boilin outta there like some kinda horror movie, aiyeee!

Of course, while my brain was shorting out, my hands knew what to do, but it was about that moment when I realized how badly this job/idea sucked rocks, not that being a young, tough little bastard I was gonna ADMIT it.

This job took quite a while, I think it was almost two weeks, and gettin to sleep after kinda required drinkin myself into oblivion, but after the numbers got whittled down we worked it into a system and the construction guys trusted me, they'd bash one over, and I'd pick off as many as I could, up to and including shooting them right off the bobcat if I had to - they trusted me that much, by then, and my hands stayed steady on the job, but shit, when I got home after I had to use both hands to get the key in the door they were shaking so hard.

All things considered, the money sucked, and so did the job - but I did learn a few things despite having some serious psychological trauma goin on for months after that...

See, if them rats had ganged up on me at any time, that woulda been my ass - but they didn't, they were AFRAID of me, and that was where I learned the force-multiplying affect of fear as a protective mechanism, and instead of trying to blow off the inflated reputation and dismiss it, started playing to it and even feeding the grapevine juicy bits.

But yanno, I freakin HATE rats.

Still, I couldn't bring myself to poison em - hell, the first cat I ever had was cause I just couldn't use traps or poison on the mice in my apartment, they were cold and hungry too and I felt sorry for em.

Natural selection though, that's another matter, although oddly enough, that cat, Mischief, would bring them to me stunned, as if I was her kitten, she had a bit of a mommy complex cause they took her first and only litter away too early, so I would put the clobbered mouse in an empty margarine bucket, thank her profusely and kindly, and parole them in the park by where I worked the next morning.

Puppy here, on the other hand, hell, she don't even PLAY with em, BANG-SNAP-CHOMP, and it's over, yeesh.

-F

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Mmmm, I'm not surprised it bothered you, but I'm sure many others would be. Killing many things in succession, if I could even do it, would have left me in a state! We have river rats in the canals, too, so I know what you mean about BIG! Suckers swim like pros, too, I've seen a couple jump off the bank.

As to that last sentence, it made me giggle. The damned huskies still have too much inbred predator; three times while walking them in the woods they've churned up poor little slow-moving moles. Took about three chomps.

I hate it, but they're both faster than I am and run away once they've got 'em, so I was only able to rescue one, and it was pretty bad off. So Choey and I just walked on and ignored the two huskies returning to the scene to finish the job.

Damned huskies...


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:41 AM

LITTLEBIRD


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
I imagine Hero considers them enemy combatants and an invading force.



Well, ok, as long as there's no waterboarding involved. I gotta draw the line somewhere.

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:12 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

But yanno, I freakin HATE rats.






The laughing Chrisisall


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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:02 PM

BYTEMITE


Chris: Henry Jones Sr. hates rats, and Indiana hates snakes?

Littlebird; Eh, well, I know a lot of people who have tried to sentence ants to death by drowning. I'm not sure it WORKS on an colony, but I don't see it outside the realm of possibility.

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:09 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Chris: Henry Jones Sr. hates rats, and Indiana hates snakes?


I'm with Indy on this one; snakes creep me, but rats? I had a few as pets as a kid. They are darling creatures. And love peanut butter.


The Willard Chrisisall


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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:14 PM

BYTEMITE


Aw, they're both cute. But then, apart from a startle response if I come across something unexpectedly, and the reflexive duck response for flying insects, I appreciate the tiny little creature and/or fuzziness/shiny qualities of most animals people would be grossed out by.

Mosquitos, for example, are actually quite elegant looking, if alien and strange. If they didn't have the bad reputation and annoying behaviours they do, I suspect more people would be appreciative of them.

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:26 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Aw, they're both cute.

Uhhh, no. Snakes suck. All no-leggy & pouncy from trees & s**t. No anaconda conundrum for me-


The laughing Chrisisall


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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:45 PM

BYTEMITE


They can't suck, they don't have lips.

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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:05 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
They can't suck, they don't have lips.

Very droll.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:49 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Chris: Henry Jones Sr. hates rats, and Indiana hates snakes?


I'm with Indy on this one; snakes creep me, but rats? I had a few as pets as a kid. They are darling creatures. And love peanut butter.




I love snakes. And I've raised rats, mice, hamsters, and guinea pigs. Snakes gotta eat. (And you can't always find someone giving away free puppies or kittens) :) Guinea pigs are the cutest of those rodents, but they're all pretty darn cute when you get right down to it. And they tend to be pretty clean.

And yes, I was joking about the puppies and kittens.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:52 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Snakes gotta eat.

Not if you you toast 'em like in Raiders.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Sorry you don't like snakes, you're missing something. But no biggie, I know a lot of people don't.

As to rats, those were PET rats, right? Captive bred, etc.? Yes, even wild rats are cute in their way, which is why I hate to kill them. That's as far as I'll go, tho'...


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, April 23, 2010 7:38 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
I imagine Hero considers them enemy combatants and an invading force.


You only say that because you're a pacifist liberal who doesn't have the balls to protect this country from vermin. Go hug another tree, Nancy.

I note for the record that certain trees are in fact very huggable.
H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Friday, April 23, 2010 7:43 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Y'know, I find it oddly comforting to realize that for all his martial arts skills, I could render Chris a quivering hunk of man-shaped jello by producing nothing more sinister than a foot-long Garter Snake. :)

As Frem has so often pointed out, we ALL have our weaknesses and blind spots!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Friday, April 23, 2010 7:44 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
I imagine Hero considers them enemy combatants and an invading force.


You only say that because you're a pacifist liberal who doesn't have the balls to protect this country from vermin. Go hug another tree, Nancy.

I note for the record that certain trees are in fact very huggable.
H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.



Mesquite trees are very NOT huggable, unless you're really into thorns. They do make great wood for smoking BBQ, though!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Friday, April 23, 2010 7:48 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

You only say that because you're a pacifist liberal who doesn't have the balls to protect this country from vermin. Go hug another tree, Nancy.
Go for it, NotAHero, nuke 'em, nuke 'em one and all!

For the record, redwood trees are VERY hugable...especially when the mosses are standing up from the moisture (if you don't mind getting wet), or even moreso when they're dry.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, April 23, 2010 7:58 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh indeedy.

Care to guess what we FED that horrible Kamodo Dragon Lizard ?

Why, rats, of course...
And you better believe I was maybe likin that fact a little more than was good for me.

On a metaphysical note though, I have to wonder if something like that leaves a mark on your soul like an emotional bloodstain or something - I did mention that anything with a stinger will flee for it's life if I so much as look at it, and it's the same with most rodents, they react badly to my presence, even now - I hadda get more filters for the kitties water fountain earlier, and the rats in the pet shop freaked when I walked by, hell the clerk asked me if I was a terminator, meh.

I was thinkin it was probably the smell of cat, but this conversation made me wonder a little.

Oh, and those Bunnies, ok, get this...

I was comin round the corner of building 16 on rounds a couple nights ago, and this bunny pops around the corner, runs toward me, around me, and STOPS about three-four feet behind me, popping up into sentry position...

To which I commented to said lepus that only an idiot runs TOWARD a potential threat, and just as I turn around, out from round the corner pops one of the local cats, intent on some bunny-bashing, who sees the bunny, sees me, and stops.

I look back at the bunny, and then at the cat, who flips her tail in the air and storms off in a huff, and back at the bunny, who now goes along his merry little way, and just shook my head at the ridiculousness of it - since I have done utterly nothing that could ever be construed as helping them, and try to annoy them away from the buildings on a regular basis.

Stupid cat should be glad she didn't catch it, them bunnies are aggressive little gits, and chased the raccoons out of the park - an angry bunny is more dangerous than you'd think, whoever wrote Watership Down actually did a pretty good job of it, you ask me.

-F

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Friday, April 23, 2010 8:00 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
I imagine Hero considers them enemy combatants and an invading force.


You only say that because you're a pacifist liberal who doesn't have the balls to protect this country from vermin. Go hug another tree, Nancy.

I note for the record that certain trees are in fact very huggable.
H




I know you're probably not used to it considering how people pile on you here, but for once that wasn't a political dig. Rather it was a very likely observation, practically stating the obvious, and divorced of judgement.

I don't take cheap shots at people.

Tell me that you don't pretend taking out an ant colony is like a game of Risk, with all those little soldier figurines, and enjoy finding creative ways to win the game. It's just the psychological profile I've scratched up for you. Sorry if I offended.

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Friday, April 23, 2010 8:13 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Mesquite trees are very NOT huggable, unless you're really into thorns. They do make great wood for smoking BBQ, though!


Yanno, I always wondered if that concept was discovered by accident by folks who were torching the cursed things out of annoyance with em.

Not to mention those horrific nasty ants, I can't find a direct named listing, but they are Pseudomyrmex sp - damn vicious, they'll bite you, latch on and then sting you, repeatedly!
And that is *not* the little zap of your common fire ant, get stung by one of them bastards and you'll be hoppin and howling about it... and worse, it's not like just ONE of em will sting you!

Oh, did I mention they're seriously aggressive ?

Shit, no WONDER folks thought burning mesquite trees was a good idea!

-F

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