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Arizona Legislature sends immigration bill to gov
Sunday, April 25, 2010 3:01 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: ANY "lawful contact", an attempt "SHALL BE MADE", etc. This is legalese for saying that police MUST hassle anyone they suspect of being illegal. Not "MAY be made", but "SHALL be made". There's a difference, not that I expect you'll be able to figure it out. As usual, you're lying, making shit up where you really have no idea what you're talking about. You really should stop; you're embarrassing yourself. Not that this is a new condition for you...
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: ANY "lawful contact", an attempt "SHALL BE MADE", etc. This is legalese for saying that police MUST hassle anyone they suspect of being illegal. Not "MAY be made", but "SHALL be made". There's a difference, not that I expect you'll be able to figure it out. As usual, you're lying, making shit up where you really have no idea what you're talking about. You really should stop; you're embarrassing yourself. Not that this is a new condition for you...
Sunday, April 25, 2010 3:05 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I think it's time you take your own advice, man up, admit you're wrong, you screwed up, you apologize deeply, and move on. You really are embarrassing yourself.
Sunday, April 25, 2010 3:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I think it's time you take your own advice, man up, admit you're wrong, you screwed up, you apologize deeply, and move on. You really are embarrassing yourself.
Monday, April 26, 2010 4:18 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Monday, April 26, 2010 5:29 AM
Monday, April 26, 2010 6:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2:You may be right, Frem. But I think it's definitely something to rise up against, given it's unequivocally racial profiling and "papers, please" and would affect not only the police department's ability to go after REAL criminals, but surely require the expense of hiring additional cops, and the ways it could be abused by racist policemen is beyond MY imagination! Just to have proposed it shows how insane Arizona is--added to their legislation that any candidate for Prez. has to show a birth certificate! We'll have to shove them down the map with Texas if they decide to secede, eh? Of course, "Non-Maverick" McCain is right in there pushing it, yazzah... But then, who takes HIM seriously these days, either?
Monday, April 26, 2010 6:25 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:You want to know what real waste is? People who are so freakin' insane they are a waste of skin, air...space. Go back to the Mother Ship. I don't know how you got out of your straight jacket but I sure as heck wish the guys in the white coats would hurry up and take you back to the padded cell you obviously escaped from. You are a sexually confused, drug addled, liberal who thinks wearing your old 'love beads' makes you a flower child who spreads peace, love and harmony...yet you love stirring up as much trouble as you can with your insane blather that makes no sense to anyone but yourself. You wanna throw down the guantlet with me? Alright freakshow, it's ON!
Monday, April 26, 2010 6:57 AM
Monday, April 26, 2010 5:47 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:42 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:02 AM
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:10 AM
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:45 AM
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Didn't say I was for (or against) this. Just curious. Is anyone tracking this? The drop in crime vs the evacuation of illegals? Can it even BE tracked? What if it works? What if it doesn't?
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:22 AM
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:44 AM
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: You paperz pleeezee! Sounds like the fuckin KGB to me, and it's bullshit, racist bullshit, and not only that - don't be more of an idiot than you can help Wulfie, sure, they might START with a segment of the population that folks ain't so quick to defend, cause most folk don't *really* believe in human rights being universal, only about their own... But you of all people should know damn well just how fast shit like this will wind up expanded to include everyone - why give Authoritarian fuckheads that first inch when you *know* they're gonna try to grab a mile out of it, especially when the prime mover is a fucking nutter like Arapio ?
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:03 AM
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:04 AM
Quote: I've read reports that crime/kidnapping has already dropped by 5%
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:09 AM
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Kwick, thats just silly. I have not said that here. Just posing questions. I've already stated Im neither for or against this. Just curious. Really its up to the citizens (legal ones) in Arizona on what they want to do.
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:58 AM
Quote: 1) If Arizona already allows CC, then “lock and load” already EXISTS. If you’re saying it should be OPEN carry, you’re just asking for the criminals to up the violence. 2) If you’re caught committing a crime in Arizona, the law ALREADY mandates that your immigration status be checked. Been that way for years. This is different; this is checking status of people just walking down the street or driving by.
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:59 AM
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:03 AM
Quote: Naah, Mike, I don’t think it’ll spread to other populations. White Americans would raise an incredible ruckus if THEIR papers were required, they’d scream to the rafters and politicians would LISTEN to them. It’s safe to do with Hispanics because of existing racism and anti-immigrant feelings, so they can get away with it.
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:14 AM
Quote: "I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:21 AM
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Niki, To prove your "point" and to bring "facts" to play... you post something said by Rachel Maddow? Really? Come on, really?
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:59 AM
Quote:The state senator who wrote the law, Russell Pearce, had long been considered a politically incorrect embarrassment by more moderate members of his party — often to the delight of his supporters. There was the time in 2007 when he appeared in a widely circulated photograph with a man who was a featured speaker at a neo-Nazi conference. (Mr. Pearce said later he did not know of the man’s affiliation with the group.) In 2006, he came under fire for speaking admirably of a 1950s federal deportation program called Operation Wetback, and for sending an e-mail message to supporters that included an attachment — inadvertently, he said — from a white supremacist group. But Mr. Pearce, 62, cannot be dismissed as just the party’s right-wing fringe. As chairman of the Senate’s appropriation committee, he controls whose bills are financed, and he has shown an uncanny knack to capitalize on this border state’s immigration anxiety. While surveys show immigration is less of a hot-button issue than it was a few years ago, Republican conservatives still care about the issue. In a New York Times/CBS News poll released last week, 82 percent of self-identified Tea Party supporters said illegal immigration was a “very serious” problem. More than a few Democrats took notice that Mr. Pearce, whose district is in Mesa, a Phoenix suburb, managed to win unanimous support for the bill from House Republicans, even from some moderates who had voiced misgivings about it. One of those moderates, State Representative Bill Konopnicki, Republican of Yuma, said planned amendments to address legal and other concerns never materialized. In the end, he said, “everybody was afraid to vote no on immigration.” “We are going to look like Alabama in the ’60s,” said Mr. Konopnicki, who is facing a tough election and did not believe voting no would change the outcome..
Quote: A week after Rep. Russell Pearce drew fire for immigration remarks many called racially insensitive, the Mesa Republican sent an e-mail to supporters in which he copied an article from a white separatist group and a link to that group's Web site. The article from the National Alliance's Web site was pasted on the bottom of an e-mail Pearce sent to supporters slamming The Arizona Republic for its articles about his comments on the radio last month about a 1950s federal deportation program called "Operation Wetback." Titled "Who Rules America? The Alien Grip on Our News and Entertainment Media Must Be Broken," the article criticized the media for promoting multiculturalism and racial equality, for portraying "any racially conscious White Person" as a bigot and for presenting the Jewish Holocaust as fact. The media presents a "single view of the world - a world in which every voice proclaims the equality of the races, the inerrant nature of the Jewish 'Holocaust' tale, the wickedness of attempting to halt the flood of non-White aliens pouring across our borders, the danger of permitting citizens to keep and bear arms, the moral equivalence of all sexual orientations, and the desirability of a 'pluralistic,' cosmopolitan society rather than a homogeneous, White one," the article says. Pearce said he sent the e-mail and the article to a few dozen supporters in his Mesa legislative district. The subject line of the e-mail implored supporters to put out yard signs and get people they know out to vote.
Quote: Russell Pearce is in full-on denial mode in the face of the latest Nathan Sproul flier linking him to Mesa neo-Nazi J.T. Ready. In Saturday's Republic, Pearce was paraphrased as saying the photo of he and Ready arm-in-arm "was one of dozens he posed for" during a June 2007 anti-immigration bash on the lawn of the state Capitol. (This ignores several other photos of them working the crowd together at the same event.)
Quote: The man behind many of the deeply flawed anti-illegal immigrant laws passed recently is Kris Kobach, the "national expert on constitutional law" who works for the Immigration Reform Law Institute (IRLI). IRLI is the legal arm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), recently listed as a nativist hate group. The laws have not done well. The Hazelton ordinance, crafted by Kobach and fellow IRLI attorney Michael Hethmon, was struck down last year by a federal judge who also charged the city for all legal fees. "Everything he does has been a failure," Mira Mdivani, a Kansas immigration lawyer, told The Pitch in January 2007. In 2004, Kobach ran for Congress. (At the same time, he worked on a FAIR lawsuit against a Kansas law granting in-state tuition rates to the children of undocumented immigrants. The suit was dismissed.) Kobach lost by 11 percentage points after his opponent accused him of ties to white supremacists. Kobach also has taught constitutional and immigration law since 2003 at the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Law, but has come under attack there for anti-immigrant bias. In January 2007, for instance, fliers appeared on campus accusing Kobach of inflating his credentials and crafting bad law. In the classroom, he uses as a text a controversial book by political science professor Samuel Huntington that argues that today's immigrants will "divide the United States into two peoples, two cultures, two languages." Kobach, who in 2007 became chairman of the Kansas Republican Party, is far-right Christian fundamentalist. During his 2004 campaign, he accused his opponent of associating with groups supporting "homosexual pedophilia." He was referring to the Human Rights Campaign, a mainstream gay rights organization that has never come remotely close to endorsing pedophilia.
Quote: The country's leading anti-immigration organization — whose leaders have testified repeatedly before Congress and are frequently quoted in the media — has ties to known racists and a long track record of bigotry, according to a new report released today by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). The group, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR): - is the creation of a man who operates a racist publishing company and has compared immigrants to "bacteria;" - has employed members of white supremacist groups in key positions; - has promoted racist conspiracy theories; and - has accepted more than $1 million from the Pioneer Fund, a racist foundation devoted to eugenics and to proving a connection between race and IQ. FAIR and its ties to white supremacy are examined in the latest issue of the SPLC's quarterly Intelligence Report. The SPLC today added FAIR to its list of hate groups operating in the United States. "FAIR's position on immigration is rooted more in its anti-Latino and anti-Catholic beliefs than in policy concerns," said Mark Potok, the director of the SPLC's project that monitors hate group activity. "Remarkably, it has still managed to infiltrate the mainstream and shape the immigration debate in this country." FAIR helped defeat federal immigration reform earlier this year and has played a key role in fueling the fierce, anti-immigrant backlash in the United States. It was founded in 1979 by John Tanton , a man who has compared immigrants to bacteria and warned that high birthrates will allow Latinos to take over America. Still a member of FAIR's board, Tanton also operates The Social Contract Press, listed as a hate group for many years by the SPLC because of its anti-Latino and white supremacist writings. "The sad fact is that attempts to reform our immigration system are being sabotaged by organizations fueled by hate," Henry Fernandez, a senior fellow and expert on immigration at the Center for American Progress, told the Intelligence Report.
Quote: The Pioneer Fund is an American non-profit foundation established in 1937 "to advance the scientific study of heredity and human differences." Currently headed by psychology professor J. Philippe Rushton, the fund focuses on projects it perceives will not be easily funded due to controversial subject matter. The Pioneer Fund has been the main source of funding for the partly-genetic hypothesis of IQ variation among races. The fund's grantees and publications have generated controversy since the 1994 publication of The Bell Curve, which drew heavily from Pioneer-funded research. The fund has also been criticized for its perceived stance on eugenics. There are reported links between various past contributors to the science journal Mankind Quarterly, which receives funding from Pioneer, and Nazism. Italian biologist and Mankind Quarterly associate editor Corrado Gini authored an article titled "The Scientific Basis of Fascism" and was once a scientific advisor to Italian leader Benito Mussolini. The editorial board member Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer was Josef Mengele's mentor before and during the Holocaust and is suspected of being his collaborator. The Center for New Community, a human rights advocacy organization, mentioned the Pioneer Fund in an article on their website. They characterize the Pioneer Fund as "a white supremacist foundation that specializes in funding 'science' dedicated to demonstrating white intellectual and moral superiority." The Pioneer Fund was described by the London Sunday Telegraph (March 12, 1989) as a "neo-Nazi organization closely integrated with the far right in American politics." It has also been criticized by some scientists and journalists, and in various peer-reviewed academic articles.
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:01 AM
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Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Not really, Niki. Just saying. Rap could post stuff from Fox, and you would say the same thing. Just pointing out the.... hypocrisy? Blatant bias? Hell, I dont know. At this point I refuse to believe anything unless I see it for my own self. So, whatever.
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