[quote]I'm a white male. I belong to a group that pretty much always been able to own land and to vote. I'm more or less from the kind that grabbed power..."/>

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I'm White.

POSTED BY: NIKI2
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Friday, April 30, 2010 8:46 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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I'm a white male. I belong to a group that pretty much always been able to own land and to vote. I'm more or less from the kind that grabbed power somewhere after the fall of Rome and never let go. In other words, I'm the kind of white guy that has never experienced any real oppression.

Although I guess my ancestors technically left England because of some religious persecution and in spite of a rough boat ride and a rough first Thanksgiving, it's safe to say it worked out pretty well. Unless you got one of those aforementioned blankets.

But in addition to being white and having ancestors on the Mayflower, I'm also Canadian. Yes, I know that might actually make me more white than before, but it also technically makes me an immigrant to this country.

Still, I am loath to call myself an immigrant because I don't want to demean the very real, very difficult challenges faced by immigrants to this country who have had to overcome differences in language, culture and distance from their families. I would say my biggest hardship has been trying to find Ketchup Chips.

But in the eyes of the U.S. government, I am an immigrant, the same as someone from China, Mexico or India. I would not be in this country had I not met my wife in graduate school, and I am thankful every day for her and the opportunity to live in the United States.

So when the census came around, I was absolutely thrilled. I've lived in the United States for eight years (four of them as a graduate student), and in that time, I have never been able to vote or access any public services. The census meant I was going to be counted, I was going to be a part of American history. A good part, not that blanket part.

When the form arrived, I scanned the options and quickly checked "white." I would have checked "Canadian" but that option wasn't anywhere to be found. There it was, I was a white American, or technically a white American Permanent Resident. But then I started thinking about what it really means to be a white American.

As long as America has been around, I would have been considered white. I would have checked the same box in the 1790 census, had my relatives decided to stay on their land instead of moving to Canada to stay loyal to the King of England. But not everyone who checked that box on the census has always been considered white. Irish, Italian, Jewish, German and Eastern European have all been considered not white. or at the very least "not American."

All of these groups came to America amid widespread discrimination, and yet through the process of assimilation and Americanization, the status of white was slowly conferred upon them (read "The History of White People" or "How the Irish Became White" for actual, intelligent research on how this happened).

And with this new-found white status also came the status of "ethnically American." Of course, a lot of people will say that there is no such thing as an ethnic American and that everyone who becomes a citizen is an American. And this is true to the letter of the law, but if we consider the popular perception of immigration and the American dream, to say that white skin has nothing to do with it would be complete folly.

In the popular myth, immigrants arrive as huddled masses yearning to be free and most of the women wear scarves around their head. They move to the Lower East Side or some other suitably "ethnic" community, they change a last name, they learn English and within one generation they are welcomed into the country as ethnic Americans and granted that wonderful privilege of checking the white box on the census.

The reality is that America has a long history of welcoming immigrants who will never be able to check that white box on the census, and unfortunately that means America also has a long history of discrimination against those people regardless of their status in the country. Just one example would be the treatment of Japanese-Americans during World War II contrasted against the treatment of German-Americans.

But all of that was in the past right? Well, ask yourself this: Who is more likely to get pulled over and forced to show his papers in Arizona today? A first generation Canadian immigrant, or a 10th generation Mexican-American?

What I hope this census will force the country to deal with is the fact that white immigrants like me will never again make up the majority of people that come to this country. America is not getting whiter, it will never get whiter.


Live with it, Wulf, Crappy, etc.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, April 30, 2010 8:47 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Ok Nix...

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Friday, April 30, 2010 8:59 AM

WULFENSTAR

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I'm white.

My forbears built the greatest, most powerful civilizations that have ever existed on the planet.

We put men on the moon.

Built the first plane, car, submarine, ocean-sailing ship.

Created music that sang with the voice of the soul.

Developed several different languages.

Created art, that became even the picture of mens souls.

Created the camera.

Harnessed the atom.

Enslaved AND set others free.

Built nations, great and small.

Defeated threats both foreign and domestic..

Were knights, gunslingers, soldiers and poets.

Brought forth to the world the age of reason and enlightenment.

Carried the banner of truth and justice.

Created a global web, where all peoples could interact.

In fact, white folks have done more to IMPROVE and HELP ALL people than ANY others on the face of the planet, from when time was first understood.

We have conquered, loved, fought, strived and ARE the single most accomplished group on the planet.

Yeah, you could say... just as some would say they have black pride, mexican pride, indian pride, ect... that I DO have pride in my own people.

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Friday, April 30, 2010 9:06 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Not to mention...

Created several of the best Sci-Fy shows on the planet.


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Friday, April 30, 2010 9:16 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Do you exclude non-white people from all the above accomplishments?

Hmm, instead of saying, 'White people achieved this country's successes together with other races', your post reads like: 'White people achieved this country's success, in spite of the presence of other races.'

Heads should roll

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Friday, April 30, 2010 9:17 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I'm white.

My forbears built the greatest, most powerful civilizations that have ever existed on the planet.

We put men on the moon.

Built the first plane, car, submarine, ocean-sailing ship.

Created music that sang with the voice of the soul.

Developed several different languages.

Created art, that became even the picture of mens souls.

Created the camera.

Harnessed the atom.

Enslaved AND set others free.

Built nations, great and small.

Defeated threats both foreign and domestic..

Were knights, gunslingers, soldiers and poets.

Brought forth to the world the age of reason and enlightenment.

Carried the banner of truth and justice.

Created a global web, where all peoples could interact.

In fact, white folks have done more to IMPROVE and HELP ALL people than ANY others on the face of the planet, from when time was first understood.

We have conquered, loved, fought, strived and ARE the single most accomplished group on the planet.

Yeah, you could say... just as some would say they have black pride, mexican pride, indian pride, ect... that I DO have pride in my own people.



Actually, races OTHER THAN white have many more legitimate claims on pretty much everything you listed there.

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Friday, April 30, 2010 9:23 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
My forbears built the greatest, most powerful civilizations that have ever existed on the planet.


That is debatable. "Great" and "most powerful" are pretty subjective terms. There's been plenty of non-white civilizations which were most powerful in their time. The fact that this "white" Western civilization is "most powerful" now isn't a bragging point; it may not be tomorrow.

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We put men on the moon.

Excuse me? "We" as in a team effort funded by taxpayers of all colors, scientists of all colors, technicians of all colors, etc.

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Built the first plane, car, submarine, ocean-sailing ship.
Because of advances made by non-white scholars and scientists.

I don't need to address the rest point by point. You get the idea.

By all means, be proud. But don't be proud by ignoring or denigrating other ethnicities, and don't be proud without humbly acknowledging all the evil that this culture has inflicted on the world either.

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Friday, April 30, 2010 10:02 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Wulfie, what do you consider the first ocean-sailing ship?

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Friday, April 30, 2010 10:07 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


By the way, Wulfie, if white people are all so great, why did they all descend from a black African ancestor? Seems you should give your REAL forbears some props. Without those darker-skinned races, your beloved white race could never have existed.

And pretty much everything the white race has allegedly created, it has also destroyed or allowed to decay and decadence.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, April 30, 2010 10:09 AM

MINCINGBEAST


Goy is goy is goy, whether pale or not, you filthy inferiors infidel types.

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Friday, April 30, 2010 10:20 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Well, ask yourself this: Who is more likely to get pulled over and forced to show his papers in Arizona today? A first generation Canadian immigrant, or a 10th generation Mexican-American?


If there were 12 million illegal Canadian immigrants in the U.S. and maybe a few hundred Hispanic-Americans, probably the Canadians.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, April 30, 2010 10:23 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Geezer.. you are awesome.

Good answer.

:)

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Friday, April 30, 2010 10:27 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
Well, ask yourself this: Who is more likely to get pulled over and forced to show his papers in Arizona today? A first generation Canadian immigrant, or a 10th generation Mexican-American?


If there were 12 million illegal Canadian immigrants in the U.S. and maybe a few hundred Hispanic-Americans, probably the Canadians.

"Keep the Shiny side up"


Would that be based on their appearance, or just the percentages? 'Cause yeah, a "few hundred" compared to 12,000,000 means you're probably more likely to pull over more of the larger group.

But by that token, won't Arizona police need to pull over far more white Arizonans than Hispanics, since Hispanics are less than 30% of the state population?

So we're agreed that if police in Arizona demand to see the papers of Hispanics more than 30% as often as they demand the same of whites, then you'd have to agree that it's racial profiling, eh?


Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, April 30, 2010 10:41 AM

WULFENSTAR

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"By the way, Wulfie, if white people are all so great, why did they all descend from a black African ancestor? Seems you should give your REAL forbears some props. Without those darker-skinned races, your beloved white race could never have existed."

I could argue the out of Africa theory... but no.

How about... those that came out of Africa CONTINUED to evolve....

But no.

What about the Mormons belief that those with darker skin are evil?

Naw...

Whats your point, other than to try and pull the raciss card?

Youve got nothing left... and you know it.

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Friday, April 30, 2010 10:54 AM

CHRISISALL


I'm white, but after I saw Enter The Dragon, I longed to be half Chinese.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Friday, April 30, 2010 10:59 AM

MINCINGBEAST



What's worse, racism, or pious race hyper sensitivity? White arrogance, or self flattering guilt? Racism, of course, but we've reached the point were the alternative to it is hysteria and sanctimony.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you're all racist, or raciss, if not on a conscious level. Social science suggests that much of bias operates on an unconscious level. Racism is part of the human condition. I'd rather be an orc, but will settle for being a joo.

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Friday, April 30, 2010 11:00 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Chris... thats sooo raciss.

:)P

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Friday, April 30, 2010 11:01 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Joos ain't so bad... except you guys call us goy... and are raciss....

hehehe this is fun

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Friday, April 30, 2010 11:03 AM

CHRISISALL


By the way folks, I'M NOT "WHITE." The very term is racist to me.
I'm Very Light Peach.
On behalf of Very Light Peach peeps everywhere, I protest!!!!
"White."
That's so twentieth.



The laughing Chrisisall


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Friday, April 30, 2010 11:05 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Light Peach... so raciss...

heheheh

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Friday, April 30, 2010 11:08 AM

MINCINGBEAST



Filthy goy-wulf, I see where you're going with this. Race is a taboo subject, hence a source of tremendous power and fascination. Throwing race up is better than cussing.

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Friday, April 30, 2010 11:10 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Light Peach... so raciss...

heheheh
Raciss? Mebbie. But at least I ain't Medium Tan, those peeps are CRAZY!!!! Freakin' surfing all the time, high on sunscreen fumes...


The laughing Chrisisall


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Friday, April 30, 2010 11:11 AM

WULFENSTAR

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No... throwing up raciss as a means of distraction is better than having a real idea...

thats where Im going with this.

And.... better to be a goy than to have God hate us so much... :)P

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Friday, April 30, 2010 11:20 AM

MINCINGBEAST


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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
No... throwing up raciss as a means of distraction is better than having a real idea...

thats where Im going with this.

And.... better to be a goy than to have God hate us so much... :)P


Filthy goy, you disappoint me. I was prepared to credit you with wit, and frame your goyery as an attempt to deconstruct taboos and open a more honest discussion of a tortured topic. Instead, you point out the unremarkable fact that some folk prefer accusations to arguments. You are a typical goy, and I would gladly lend you money at usurious rates.

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Friday, April 30, 2010 11:24 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Yes, unfortunatly, it is an UNremarkable fact... but one that needs endless repeating as so few learn it..

Damn joos, always trying to lend money... however... I am looking to buy a house soon... and well... I need a joo...


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Friday, April 30, 2010 11:34 AM

WULFENSTAR

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"frame your goyery as an attempt to deconstruct taboos and open a more honest discussion of a tortured topic"

... stop stealing my thunder!!!

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Friday, April 30, 2010 11:55 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"By the way, Wulfie, if white people are all so great, why did they all descend from a black African ancestor? Seems you should give your REAL forbears some props. Without those darker-skinned races, your beloved white race could never have existed."

I could argue the out of Africa theory... but no.

How about... those that came out of Africa CONTINUED to evolve....

But no.

What about the Mormons belief that those with darker skin are evil?

Naw...

Whats your point, other than to try and pull the raciss card?

Youve got nothing left... and you know it.



What is it that I need to have "left"? And is it "playing the race card" if you really ARE a racist?

Sure, you *COULD* argue any of those things, but you'd last about 0.3 seconds in any of those arguments, because you'd get your ass handed to you about that quick. Which is about as long as you lasted in those fights with the black kids, isn't it? Guess mighty-whitey-righty ain't all that when it comes to some things after all.

By the way, do you consider Jews "white"? I only ask because you mentioned harnessing the atom, and that was done in large part by Jewish scientists with names like Heisenberg, Oppenheimer, and Einstein.

Also are Spaniards "white"? What about Greeks? Persians? Turks? Egyptians? Polynesians?

How many of the world's great tyrants, despots, and mass murderers were white? I notice you left Hitler and Stalin out of your list of great white people. Oversight on your part?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, April 30, 2010 11:58 AM

WULFENSTAR

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"What is it that I need to have "left"? And is it "playing the race card" if you really ARE a racist?

Sure, you *COULD* argue any of those things, but you'd last about 0.3 seconds in any of those arguments, because you'd get your ass handed to you about that quick. Which is about as long as you lasted in those fights with the black kids, isn't it? Guess mighty-whitey-righty ain't all that when it comes to some things after all.

By the way, do you consider Jews "white"? I only ask because you mentioned harnessing the atom, and that was done in large part by Jewish scientists with names like Heisenberg, Oppenheimer, and Einstein.

Also are Spaniards "white"? What about Greeks? Persians? Turks? Egyptians? Polynesians?

How many of the world's great tyrants, despots, and mass murderers were white? I notice you left Hitler and Stalin out of your list of great white people. Oversight on your part?"


Uh oh.... more racissm.... better watch out....

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Friday, April 30, 2010 12:10 PM

WULFENSTAR

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:: Read This ALOUD in your BEST Jesse Jackson (or Al Sharpton) voice::



When you can't bamboozle or hoodwink the people anymore.. call raciss! Use it!

When you no longer have a leg to stand on, when all else fails.. pull the race card!

If you are cornered, if you are outnumbered, if the important people no longer listen to you and the media no longer sponsor you!

Raciss!!

If you hate yourself (as we want you to for the horrible, horrible crimes people you don't know commited to people WE don't know) and want to feel better...

Raciss!

Hate YOURSELF! ...but noone of color of course.

Hate people who stand up for your irritating skin and your irritating history!

Become socialist! Its the ONLY way to serve your guilt! Become communist! GIVE... your money awaaaay!!!

NEVER believe that you had nothing to do with slavery! (Or anything else we want to make you feel guilty about!)

BEEELIEVE!!! You NEEEED to repent!

YOU NEEED to feel guilty, and sorry for what you forbears DIIID!!

... and give us stuff we never earned and couldnt earn ourselves of cours....







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Friday, April 30, 2010 12:33 PM

WULFENSTAR

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Can you say...

Hallelujah?

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Friday, April 30, 2010 12:52 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Light Peach... so raciss...

heheheh
Raciss? Mebbie. But at least I ain't Medium Tan, those peeps are CRAZY!!!! Freakin' surfing all the time, high on sunscreen fumes...


The laughing Chrisisall




You know the Buddha was a big surfer, yeah? Nobody was ever cooler hanging ten off a board, round belly out, big goofy blissed-out grin on his face. You shoulda seen him; it was somethin' else! Jesus never could get the hang of it, but on the bright side, he also didn't need a board. And Buddha was never a Christian, but Jesus would've made a pretty good Buddhist.



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, April 30, 2010 1:01 PM

WULFENSTAR

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I always did enjoy this koan from Zen...

"If you see the Buddha, KILL the Buddha."

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Friday, April 30, 2010 1:26 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh please, gonna quote from the Turner Diaries next, cracker-boy ?

Yanno, my family, such as it is, happens to still be a buncha racist pricks, which has been a sticky point between me and them since I was six years old and questioned the validity of why someone elses skin tone and features mattered, and no one was able to give me a decent answer.

I thought racism was idiotic when I was six, and my opinion of it hasn't improved one bit in thirty-four years - I simply chose not to CARE about such things, instead of sensitivity or hostility, I chose to meet the idea of "race" with an apathy so profound that the very concept of such things lost any meaning to me.

And I *chose* this, not cause of anyone elses opinion, not cause of social pressure or some governments law, but simply because that is what I chose, and it was my family and school systems first encounter with a will so strong it was like a force of nature (the second was when I called bullshit on the Pledge of Allegience) - and yet, I couldn't explain WHY I somehow rejected the values everyone else around me held, only particular ones, but most certainly those, and with a passion that bordered on fury for something that seemed so obviously, so blatantly WRONG and yet was accepted and encouraged by everyone around me.

And that, it always makes me wonder when folks make excuses about their upbringing and environment, just how valid those excuses are...

Oh, and I'll see you your racist BS there Wulf, and raise you some Bill Murray.
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The hell's the matter with you? Stupid! We're all very different people. We're not Watusi. We're not Spartans. We're Americans, with a capital 'A', huh? You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts! Here's proof: his nose is cold! But there's no animal that's more faithful, that's more loyal, more loveable than the mutt.


-Frem

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Friday, April 30, 2010 1:49 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Completely misses the mark, as expected.


It's about the law, not skin color.

But keep fanning the phony flames of discontent and HISPANDering the issue.

It's what the Left does best, to the harm and impedement of us all.






Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, April 30, 2010 1:58 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Bingo, Frem - We're not Americans because we're somehow great and special and blessed; we're Americans because this was the place that didn't kick us out.

Of course, once it's not longer majority white, that might just change.

And then folks like Wulfie will be screaming, "That's raciss!"

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Friday, April 30, 2010 2:03 PM

CHRISISALL


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Completely misses the mark, as expected.

We won't hold it against ya AU. You miss a lot.



The laughing Chrisisall


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Friday, April 30, 2010 2:30 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

It's about the law, not skin color.


Until 99% of those stopped and hassled happen to be of one particular skin color, that is. Then it kinda IS about skin color.

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But keep fanning the phony flames of discontent and HISPANDering the issue.


The only pandering here is entirely from the right, pandering to the phony fears and faux indignation of the scared whiteys and trying to drum up yet another in a long series of scary "national crises" to play on those fears.

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It's what the Left does best, to the harm and impedement of us all.


To the harm and what?

According to the PowerPoint presentation left behind by the RNC, "fear" is one of the key areas that the RIGHT wants to play on in order to raise campaign donations from their victims. Er, I mean, from their "supporters". Their claim, fear, not mine. Not the left's. Yours. It's what you've always had, and ALL you've ever had.

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Friday, April 30, 2010 2:41 PM

CHRISISALL


OOOOHHHhhh Brown peeps are taking my job! OOOOHhhh towel heads want to take my LIFE!! OOOOHhhh, gays want to take away the sanctity of my marriage!

How about the fucking Raiders Of The Lost Economy?


The laughing Chrisisall


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Friday, April 30, 2010 3:00 PM

BYTEMITE


Ding.

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Friday, April 30, 2010 4:33 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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I could argue the out of Africa theory... but no.

How about... those that came out of Africa CONTINUED to evolve....

But no.

Wulfie, you know that your maverick racist 'science' is always welcome.

Heads should roll

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Friday, April 30, 2010 4:38 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


kwickie

You're either lying or ignorant. Which is it?

No one will be stopped BECAUSE OF THEIR SKIN COLOR.

What the F difference does it make what color they are ? If, in the course of a LAWFUL contact w/ the police, it's found out that they're here illegally, then it makes no difference if they are Scandinavian or from Pango Pango ?

It makes zero difference. It has nothing to do w/ skin color, it has to do w/ being LEGALLY HERE.

Nice NON citing of the so called GOP power points. The fact of the matter is, Phoenix has the 2nd highest kidnapping rate in the WORLD.

# 1 ?

Mexico City.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&page=1







Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, April 30, 2010 4:41 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


The first slaves sold on the auction block in America were white Europeans.

East-European Khazar AshkeNAZI non-semitic jew banksters are WHITE.

They have owned the world for at least 300 years.

Mexico has more billionaires per capita than any nation on Earth, mostly jewish.

They perform annual human sacrifice to Satan/Lucifer/Molech at their homosexual nudist compound at jewish Bohemian Grove, California.

Nikovich12 is their paid Operative.




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Friday, April 30, 2010 4:55 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
kwickie

You're either lying or ignorant. Which is it?

No one will be stopped BECAUSE OF THEIR SKIN COLOR.


rappy

You're either lying or stupid. Which is it?

How do you propose that NO ONE will be stopped because of their skin color when you're dealing with a population that consists of 30% Hispanics, and you claim to be looking for illegal immigrants with your shiny new law? How can skin color NOT come into it? Do you anticipate police making sure that 70% of the people they pull over or yank off the sidewalk to check their "papers" are going to be white? Really? As I asked before, are you lying, or stupid?

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What the F difference does it make what color they are ? If, in the course of a LAWFUL contact w/ the police, it's found out that they're here illegally, then it makes no difference if they are Scandinavian or from Pango Pango ?


Define "lawful contact" for us all, genius. What's the legal definition of a "lawful contact". Does it differ from a criminal investigation? You claimed earlier that you need to show your proof of citizneship to register a car, buy booze, or any manner of other things. Tell us all, in your experience, do you often have to produce your proof of citizenship for a cop who just walks up to you on the street? Can you look at two people on the street and tell me you honestly have a reasonable suspicion of what's in each of their wallets? Really?

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It makes zero difference. It has nothing to do w/ skin color, it has to do w/ being LEGALLY HERE.


Hey, if you're investigating a criminal act, with probable cause and a warrant sworn by an officer and signed by a judge, then by all means, look into whether the accused is legally here or not. But what you - and this new law - are proposing are fishing expeditions, pulling people up short and asking them to prove that they AREN'T criminals. It's a presumption of guilt. As an alleged lover of freedom, I would think that you'd have an issue with ANYONE being able to do that and get away with it in this country. Seems we complain when people do shit like that in, say, Iraq or Afghanistan.

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Nice NON citing of the so called GOP power points.


You mean the one I specifically cited?

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The fact of the matter is, Phoenix has the 2nd highest kidnapping rate in the WORLD.

# 1 ?

Mexico City.


Well, that proves it! You've fallen into the trap of correlation = causation. A city in Mexico has high crime rates. So does a city in the U.S. There *MUST* be a connection!

New Orleans has the highest murder rate in the U.S.

Caracas has the highest murder rate in the world.

Obviously New Orleans is being invaded by Venezuelans, yes?


So for the third time, I have to ask: Are you lying, or stupid?

I think I know; you're both.



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, April 30, 2010 5:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


By the way, I'm not willing to concede the point about Phoenix and Mexico City and kidnapping stats and rankings. I haven't been able to verify those anywhere except a claim by Judicial Watch, a conservative group with a clear political agenda, which was apparently cited by ABC news.

What I *DID* find, though, was this listing of the COUNTRIES with the most kidnappings, and the U.S. and Mexico don't even make the top 25.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_kid-crime-kidnappings

The only sources I can find that say anything about Phoenix and Mexico City are all hard-right blogs and websites, which is a bit suspect. Maybe the info is correct, but I'm skeptical.

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Friday, April 30, 2010 8:37 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
kwickie

You're either lying or ignorant. Which is it?


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

He's been clearly and repeatedly proven to be both, so you shouldn't be surprised or shocked. Hence I'll assume you were being sarcastic.

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Friday, April 30, 2010 9:07 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I'm white.

My forbears built the greatest, most powerful civilizations that have ever existed on the planet.

Which civilisation would that be then? Do you refer to the American one, which is basically a continuum of Western Civilisation which is European...which is a continuum of Roman civilisation, which is a continuum of Greece etc etc etc. Some of those people start to get awfully dark.

Anyway, who is to say that the current civilisation is the greatest and most powerful. The Chinese dynasties lasted thousands of years and are responsible for a whole load of firsts, without which we wouldn't be who we are today. Paper, gun powder, the compass, printing. They build a structure so large that you can see it from the moon, the ONLY man made structure. For a thousand years their civilisation made Europeans look like monkeys such was the difference in their lifestyle.

What about the Egyptions? Who have created structures that have lasted thousands of years. How many of ours will last out this century? And multiple other civilisations throughout every continent that have conquered, invented, created great works of art , literature and music and who for a time reigned supreme over all others.

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In fact, white folks have done more to IMPROVE and HELP ALL people than ANY others on the face of the planet, from when time was first understood.

Pass the sick bucket someone. It's nothing to do with being white or American. You are claiming responsibility for stuff which is not solely yours to claim and you are viewing the history of mankind in a supremely egotistical and nonsensical manner.

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We have conquered, loved, fought, strived and ARE the single most accomplished group on the planet.

I’m pretty sure 1000 million Chinese would disagree. Along with everyone else who has ego status plus in this world.


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Yeah, you could say... just as some would say they have black pride, mexican pride, indian pride, ect... that I DO have pride in my own people.

I can understand you having in pride in your country, and I can understand if you are from a minority who have been historically oppressed because of the colour of their skin, but otherwise…meh!

Your skin colour is simply a result of a mutation than enabled people to survive an ice age. Lighter coloured people retain vitamin d better than their darker colour counterparts. We all descent from a dark skinned people from Africa and genetically there is NO difference between any of us, despite our rainbow hues.

Get over it.

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Friday, April 30, 2010 11:38 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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How about the fucking Raiders Of The Lost Economy?
Damnit Chris!

I gotta get a washable keyboard, I really do....

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Saturday, May 1, 2010 1:27 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Ok, I can't believe I have to spell this out..

Noone here is for subtlety, eh?

1. Its somehow acceptable for white people to hate themselves.

2. Its only raciss if white people do it, or say it.

3. There are no "races", just cultures. Some good, some bad.

4. The hypocrisy is mind boggeling.


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Saturday, May 1, 2010 3:24 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
kwickie

You're either lying or ignorant. Which is it?


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

He's been clearly and repeatedly proven to be both, so you shouldn't be surprised or shocked. Hence I'll assume you were being sarcastic.



Cites, sockpuppet? Since it's been so "clearly and repeatedly proven", you shouldn't have any problem at all digging up some of that "proof", eh?

Meanwhile, I actually HAVE produced clear and unequivocal proof of your - er, I mean of RAPPY's - lies and outright stupidity, from his "on fire" economy of 2008 all the way up through his claims that he *NEVER* claimed that it pisses him off that the President is black. Proof, in his own quotes, in his own words, which he has then tried in vain to claim that he NEVER said.

So I guess I have to ask you as well: Are you lying, or stupid? Or both?

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Saturday, May 1, 2010 3:27 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Ok, I can't believe I have to spell this out..

Noone here is for subtlety, eh?

1. Its somehow acceptable for white people to hate themselves.

2. Its only raciss if white people do it, or say it.

3. There are no "races", just cultures. Some good, some bad.

4. The hypocrisy is mind boggeling.



Subtlety has never been your strong suit, Wulfie. What's so subtle about claiming that white people are responsible for all the good in the world and all the great acheivements? You say there are no "races", but then claim great pride in the accomplishments of the "white" race.

You are right about the hypocrisy being mind "boggeling", though. Your hypocrisy always is.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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