Oil spill will be a ‘mega-disaster’ by Niki2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Gawd, I hate this so much. I looked up the forms for volunteering, but I'm just too far away. I'm sitting here crying...they need volunteers, but I can't afford to get out there. Remembering the others I was involve with, I want SO badly to get out there and help with the wildlife.

I tried to find us some topics of interest, and I've offered a few. For me, this dwarfs the immigration thing, politics and about everything else. But I think I can't take any more today, either. Gonna go try to find something more uplifting to spend my day on. And avoid the news.

Oh, how I wish I could get there...

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 8:20 AM

BYTEMITE

Sounds to me like we may need to gather up some of the native population before it hits and establish in-land above sea level fisheries and crab farms. And maybe other wildlife refuges.

There's not a whole lot we can do about 40,000 gallons a day of oil. We need to shut the source off first, which is easier said than done. After you've done that, there are ways, besides trying to burn the oil, that you can catalyze its destruction: one way that works very well is with biosurfactants. You'd need a LOT of it, though, and unfortunately, you're still probably looking at a long time frame of impact.

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 8:30 AM

WHOZIT

It's OK! Barry and his telepromters are on the way! He'll fix it, he can do anything.

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 8:59 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Dictator Hussein Obama Soetoro has now banned all oil drilling and will soon nationalize all US oil corps to give away to British Petroleum (which caused this oil spill).

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 11:22 AM

America loves a winner!

I recall hearing the breaking news on the radio out of New Orleans, while driving into work. The info was sketchy, at best, and not a whole lot was made of it, other than something real bad happened. How bad, no one had a clue. Later on, when I heard that the rig was 'listing', and likely would go under, I knew it was bad.

But not this bad.

I can't even watch the news for more than 5 minutes before just turning off the t.v.

When Saddam ignited 700+ oil wells, and it took nearly a year for all of them to be capped, may be the only thing which comes close to this tragedy.

This is a whole world of suck.

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Sunday, May 2, 2010 4:52 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Drill, baby, drill.

Hell, we'll probably need to replace that platform with at least three more just to make up for the lost days of production...

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Monday, May 3, 2010 2:59 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY

bump

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Monday, May 3, 2010 4:31 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Drill, baby, drill.

Hell, we'll probably need to replace that platform with at least three more just to make up for the lost days of production...

Classic inhuman response.

Bravo.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Monday, May 3, 2010 5:11 AM

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Monday, May 3, 2010 5:16 AM

America loves a winner!

It's a big joke to you, isn't it?

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Monday, May 3, 2010 5:52 AM

No, it's a big joke to you and your Republican friends. You wanted to dance around like a bunch of fucking idiots, chanting "Drill, baby, drill!" - and you fucking well deserve to see the consequences of the actions that YOU called for.

If you don't like it, GOOD. You should be inundated every day for the rest of your miserable fucking life with images of the disasters YOU make possible. You should have to sleep with the bones of the dead Iraqi children that YOU wanted murdered for your own sick bloodlust. You should be forced to dig the graves for the victims of unsafe drilling, and you should be forced to clean up the mess.

You want to whine about the humanity and inhumanity of it all when it goes wrong, but you will have NO part of doing anything to stop it from going wrong in the first place. The spill is on you; the deaths are on you. There's oil on your hands, as well as blood.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Monday, May 3, 2010 6:10 AM

America loves a winner!

Toss in as many childish profanities as you'd like. It only shows how petty and limited your thinking is on this , and other matters.

Your inability to comprehend the gravity of this situation is telling.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Monday, May 3, 2010 6:11 AM

As is your inability to comprehend its inevitability.

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Monday, May 3, 2010 10:25 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Everyone here understands at least partly the gravity of the situation; you know perfectly well that Mike hangs out just looking for you to snark at. That doesn't mean he doesn't comprehend what's happening.

He IS right, however, in that the Republicans' support of everything and anything Dumbya and his cronies did led to this. See other thread on the spill...BP's flaunting regulations and safety codes is phenomenal. Of course, the fines didn't TOUCH their bottom line, and mostly a blind eye was turned toward making them responsible...and who do we have to thank for THAT?

"Bush Name Helps Fuel Oil Dealings": http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories
/bush073099.htm

"Buxh-Cheney Oil War": http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bush-cheney_oil.html

"$33 billion in public subsidies and tax cuts for the oil, coal, and nuclear power industries": http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Oil_watch/Oil_BushAdmin.html

"Big oil made over $600 billion during Bush years, but invested bupkis in clean energy": http://climateprogress.org/2009/05/27/big-oil-made-over-600-billion-du
ring-the-bush-years-but-invested-bupkis-in-clean-energy/

"Bush's Former Oil Company Linked To bin Laden Family": http://www.rense.com/general14/bushsformer.htm

"Bush stacked the energy task force with a number of officials with ties to the oil and energy industry": http://www.democrats.org/a/2006/10/bushs_failed_en.php

It goes on and on...

...and on.

Anything you want to blame on Obama when it comes to big oil, you can triple for Dumbya. On the other hand, Obama's taking oil ON in many ways: "Barack Obama will require oil companies to take a reasonable share of their ecord-breaking windfall profits and use it to provide direct relief worth $500 for an individual and $1,000 for a married couple. The relief would be delivered as quickly as possible to help families cope with the rising price of gasoline, food and other necessities. The rebates would be fully paid for with five years of a windfall profits tax on record oil company profits.

The Obama energy rebates will: offset the entire increase in gas prices for a working family over the next four months; or pay for the entire increase in winter heating bills for a typical family in a cold-weather state." http://blog.mises.org/8448/barack-obama-and-sarah-palin-on-taxing-oil-
companies-and-giving-the-money-to-others/

"Oil Companies Balk At Following Obama's Green Lead: Even as Washington goes into a frenzy over energy, many of the oil companies are staying on the sidelines, balking at investing in new technologies favored by the president, or even straying from commitments they had already made.": http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/07/oil-companies-balk-at-fol_n_1
84367.html

"US President Barack Obama has announced tough targets for new fuel-efficient vehicles in order to cut pollution and lower dependence on oil imports." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8056908.stm

"Big Oil executives protest President Obama’s proposal to reduce tax breaks; President Obama’s proposed budget would eliminate $32 billion in tax breaks and recover lost royalties over 10 years. Top officials of the big three oil companies oppose this proposal despite their billion dollar profits over the past eight years.": http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/03/big_oil_misers.html/#3 (you want a real insight into how they're approaching "green energy", check THIS one out!)

You can look it all up for yourself; the fact is, Dumbya was CLOSELY TIED to the oil companies; Obama has been trying to curb their excesses. He talked much tougher before elected; no doubt politispeak and finding out how tough it is to DO anything once elected. He talked of opening the Coasts up to drilling (betcha THAT ONE's dead!); no doubt more compromise, compromise, compromise. He took campaign contributions from Big Oil; who doesn't?

But his record on oil companies beats the HELL out of Dumbya's, and you can place the blame for this spill directly at Dumbya's feet!

Give it up, guys; you haven't a leg to stand on.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Monday, May 3, 2010 12:47 PM

Right on, Niki - And Obama's little plan about increased offshore drilling has NOT been passed by Congress, nor put into effect, and now it's DOA, and it's not going to pass. Which Rappy no doubt will agree is a GOOD thing, I'm sure. ;)

And just for the record, I seem to recall most (if not all) of the lefties around here being AGAINST that particular Obama plan (among several others).

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Monday, May 3, 2010 12:57 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
As is your inability to comprehend its inevitability.

Just like your messiah, Obama himself.

Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Monday, May 3, 2010 1:04 PM

Sorry, I have no "messiah". I worship no one and no thing. That kind of behavior and belief is purely for emotional children like you.

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Monday, May 3, 2010 1:53 PM

Mike does more than snark, he rants. Rap doesn't read Mike's posts, or he's know that Mike isn't Obama's biggest fan.

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Monday, May 3, 2010 2:04 PM

DT, how the heck have you been? We've missed you around here. Hope you're well.

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Monday, May 3, 2010 2:34 PM

As well as can be expected. My death panel ruled against me, I don't have enough income, I'm screwed. Maybe I'll sneak across the border to get some cheap healthcare. I hope no nationalist zealot has me arrested as some part of a dumb war on something or other, drugs, terror, drugs that make you terrified. Acid? War on acid.

Yourself?

ETA: oh, check out the Important Real World Events

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Tuesday, May 4, 2010 2:06 AM

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Posted by Niki:

Everyone here understands at least partly the gravity of the situation; you know perfectly well that Mike hangs out just looking for you to snark at. That doesn't mean he doesn't comprehend what's happening.

Y'know, I'd *love* to have an actual conversation with Rappy, but every time I ask questions he's uncomfortable with, he runs away and hides, throws a few insults, calls me a "child" for not seeing the world in his black and white way, and then says I'm not worthy of his esteemed response.

So in the realization (which you have come to as well, Nik) that he's not here to discuss at all, but to proselytize, I decided I'd poke him a bit. And hey, I hate Obama's recent stance on offshore drilling as much as you do, but I also realize that it's yet another vain effort on his part to court Republican votes; in my estimation, it's a waste of time and a betrayal of his values and his base, and it wouldn't have worked even if this disaster hadn't presented itself, because Republicans like Rappy flat refuse to ever admit that any idea Obama endorses might be a good idea - even if it's their idea in the first place!

The difference between Obama's new, now former stance on offshore drilling, and the Republican position on it, is that Obama didn't have t-shirts and placards made up that said, "Drill, Baby, Drill!", and he didn't run on that as part of his campaign. Republicans did, and now they don't want those words quoted back to them because of their deep embarrassment and their utter stupidity to ever look beyond today in their efforts to set policy.

Rappy doesn't want me pointing out the politically embarrassing parts of this disaster because the shortfalls are entirely on his side of the aisle, and he doesn't want his party to have this disaster hung around their necks - at least not before he tries to hang it around Obama's neck first. He's perfectly fine with trying to play politics with a crisis; he's NOT comfortable with others doing the same.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Tuesday, May 4, 2010 2:37 AM

Mike,

Take a mental health tip from a true lunatic:

Measure the amount of time you spend responding to Rap. Just use a stop watch, act normally, for a week, and clock it.

Then ask yourself if you want to marry him ;)

I'm serious (about the measuring time thing.)

ps. Rap. Do the same thing.

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Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:30 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

While your advice to Crappy is a waste of YOUR time, DT ('cuz you know he's here to waste his time doing just what he does), I'd suggest it for Mike, except it seems obvious HE gets his kicks out of wasting his time snarking at Crap! So enjoy, boys, it's your time to waste.

I know FauxNews is doing its best to blame this on either some conspiracy by Obama or the "environmental terrorists". Both are insane and stupid, but that never stopped Crappy from believing them...probably both at the same time, or that Obama is in league with the enviro-terrorists.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:41 AM

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Originally posted by Niki2:

While your advice to Crappy is a waste of YOUR time, DT ('cuz you know he's here to waste his time doing just what he does), I'd suggest it for Mike, except it seems obvious HE gets his kicks out of wasting his time snarking at Crap! So enjoy, boys, it's your time to waste.

Not sure how often I'll have to point this out, Niki, but you waste AT LEAST as much time trying to talk reason to Rappy as I do snarking him. Have your efforts paid off any better than mine have? Look at this thread; the longest posts here are the ones you spent all your time researching, just to try to point out crazy things called "facts" to Rappy, which he has utterly ignored.

And yet, you continue to waste YOUR time on him, too. Why is that?

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I know FauxNews is doing its best to blame this on either some conspiracy by Obama or the "environmental terrorists". Both are insane and stupid, but that never stopped Crappy from believing them...probably both at the same time, or that Obama is in league with the enviro-terrorists.

At this point, isn't BP a bunch of enviro-terrorists? Can't we just agree that anyone who was running around campaigning on the "Drilling Platform" during the election and since, is palling around with terrorists? "Drill, baby, drill!" is really no different than yelling "Death to America!", is it?

Or maybe this is just BP's way of trying to get in on the whole Tea Party thing. We dumped their tea into Boston Harbor, so they're going to dump their oil into our gulf to show their solidarity with the Tea Parties.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Tuesday, May 4, 2010 5:28 PM

And I enjoy baking cookies, but if I do it all day long I get nothing else done, and I get fat. My point still stands. Measure your time, be honest, you'll be appalled. Oh, and that with it being much lower due to the much lower rate of Rap's posts, or posts overall.

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Wednesday, May 5, 2010 9:52 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Nope. I don't "waste" my time, because what I do isn't aimed at Crappy. I refute his statements with facts, figures and cites so that OTHER PEOPLE can gain some understanding, and so that I can educate myself on the issues at the same time. I know none of it will get through to HIM, he's unimportant in the time and effort I take.

And yeah, I think my efforts pay off; others jump in and discuss and debate things, which jumping in I appreciate and which to me contributes to the discussions.

I love the BP as enviro-terrorists! It doesn't work in that they didn't CAUSE the problem in order to terrorize others, but the result does just that.

And yeah, by your logic, I also like the "palling around" bit--someone should pick that up, it would be a good joke. As would the fact that "drill baby drill" is anti-American, it puts our economy, ecology and environment in danger, thus affecting the lives of millions of Americans and their livelihoods.

As to the Tea Party--I see over and over that we both watch MSNBC and CNN, gives me a giggle. One of the "tweets" yesterday was something to the effect of "maybe if we hadn't dumped their tea, they wouldn't have wanted to get back at us".

Coupla good ones there, but you're wrong about how I spend my time. I "get" the fun you have snarking at Crappy, you mentioned it once and I've remembered it; do you "get" now why I spend the time I do looking up facts to offer?

Given I have no idea what DT's response was, or whether it was to you or me (tho' I'm guessing the latter). I kinda figure he thinks if I'm "honest" I'll admit how much I post. I have, I do, and I've given my reasons. I'm not blind and I'm not appalled, okay?

As to the "lower posts", I don't get what that means at all, tho' I'm fairly sure it's a snark. Snark away, if you want; we're each entitled to freedom of speech, right?

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, May 5, 2010 11:13 AM

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Nope. I don't "waste" my time, because what I do isn't aimed at Crappy. I refute his statements with facts, figures and cites so that OTHER PEOPLE can gain some understanding, and so that I can educate myself on the issues at the same time. I know none of it will get through to HIM, he's unimportant in the time and effort I take.

And yeah, I think my efforts pay off; others jump in and discuss and debate things, which jumping in I appreciate and which to me contributes to the discussions.

Yeah, I *DO* "get" that. But I don't think that you "get" that I'm essentially doing the same thing. Sure, I snark at Rappy and ridicule him, but I also bring facts to the table to refute him, just in case anyone is ever for a second tempted to take anything he says as truthful, accurate, or nonpartisan.

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Wednesday, May 5, 2010 11:17 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Fair enough. Admittedly, I didn't know that, or missed it if you said it before. I guess it's just that the snarking back and forth bugs me sometimes, because I usually have to read each post to see if there's any pertinent information in it, and you two (and others) get going back and forth and saying nothing.

My problem, not yours.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Wednesday, May 5, 2010 12:18 PM