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8) Danica Patrick
9) Sarah Fisher

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Is there some reason why American women don't count?

Also, is American equipment really barred at the competition?

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1) Graham Rahal (hereditary 2nd gen lord, mom British?)
2) Ed Carpenter = stepson of fired Indy 500 owner/idiot Tony George (Carpenter is a Canadian racer's name)
3) Townsend Bell = BRITISH (hereditary 2nd gen lord)
4) Davey Hamilton
5) Marco Andretti (hereditary 3nd gen lord)
6) Ryan Hunter-Reay
7) John Andretti (hereditary 3nd gen lord)

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Oh, and PN? Does a 180-lb driver have an unfair advantage over me, since I go 260 pounds? Are they just getting an unfair advantage to make up for not being as good a driver as I am?

Horseshit. Racing decided to favor smaller drivers, so don't piss and moan about women being unfair for being smaller.

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Or do you want to see women play in the Super Bowl, with transvestite cheerleaders?

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Oh, and PN? Does a 180-lb driver have an unfair advantage over me, since I go 260 pounds? Are they just getting an unfair advantage to make up for not being as good a driver as I am?

Horseshit. Racing decided to favor smaller drivers, so don't piss and moan about women being unfair for being smaller.

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Many classes of stack car racin weight the driver with car, to eliminate that unfair advantage, up to a point. Anything over 180/200 is time to join Weight Watchers.

Or do you want to see women play in the Super Bowl, with transvestite cheerleaders?

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They add down force with the front and back wings. So if a person weighs less then they need more down force. A person's weight has no advantage.

When they have practice runs it is not for the driver, but to adjust the car to track conditions. So the adjust the wings and the suspension to tighten or loosen the cars hold on the road.

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1) Graham Rahal
2) Ed Carpenter
3) Townsend Bell
4) Davey Hamilton
5) Marco Andretti
6) Ryan Hunter-Reay
7) John Andretti

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I wonder what flavor of nightmare your preferred America would have.

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Girls are only in racing because their daddy or hubby wanted a son. Girls don't race on their own free will, sacrificing and learning how to race from the ground up.

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They add down force with the front and back wings. So if a person weighs less then they need more down force. A person's weight has no advantage.

When they have practice runs it is not for the driver, but to adjust the car to track conditions. So the adjust the wings and the suspension to tighten or loosen the cars hold on the road.

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Physics: Newton's 2nd Law
Force = Mass x Acceleration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newtons_law

Weight = Mass x Acceleration (Gravity or Centripetal Force i.e. G-force)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centripetal_force

A person who weighs less needs LESS downforce, because there's less centripetal force trying to slam them into a wall in curves. This results in higher top speed due to less aerodynamic drag. Danica Patrick needed more downforce on the rear wing because her car had a handling defect in the race (oversteer/loose), which is how cars are set up to handle in qualifying (oversteer with minimal downforce for top speed). Adding downforce to fix a suspension problem is just a temporary bandaid on a broken bone.

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Worse, you just insulted my mother, who *did* race on her own free will, enjoyed it immensely, and had trophies galore

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Weighing less means less muscle. When faced with the G-force of going through a corner a driver with less muscle will tire sooner. This places the women at a disadvantage. Do 200 plus MPH for three hours on a race track and see how you feel afterwards.

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That's not a car coming apart because it's shoddily built with cheap materials; that's a car coming apart to save the life of its driver.

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"I must admit I'd like to see Danika bitchslapped in the pits, or punched in the face and knocked out cold. THAT'S racin!"

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Last week, after publicly blaming her car for her poor qualifying effort that has her starting in Row 8, fans booed Patrick at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, which some have taken as a sign that her pristine image may be starting to turn. Not surprising, there are a handful of I Hate Danica Patrick pages on Facebook, where, of course, the fans are piling on. ESPN.com writer Terry Blount suggested that Patrick might be heading for something scarier than an Indy wreck - irrelevancy. "I think Danica would be the first to agree, she is driven and focused to perform every time out there," Angstadt said. "Is she happy with where she is right now? I don't think so. Everyone involved, especially Danica, understand its performance that counts."

www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2010/05/29/2010-05-29_danicas_c
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Girls are only in racing because their daddy or hubby wanted a son. Girls don't race on their own free will, sacrificing and learning how to race from the ground up.

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Worse, you just insulted my mother, who *did* race on her own free will, enjoyed it immensely, and had trophies galore, that being pretty impressive given the much, MUCH rougher type of racing my family favors - and every child of my rather extended (and prolly somewhat inbred, they ARE originally from W.Va) family line is born with a little gasoline and moonshine in their blood, calling them to the track, every single one, male or female.

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THE NEW ORDER OF BARBARIANS

Tape 2 audio: http://ideam.net/view.php?c=alRYGbc8-Tt5.1

This is a transcript of the second of three tapes on the "New Order of Barbarians", referred to on the tapes simply as the "new world system." Tapes one and two, done in 1988, are the reminiscences of Dr. Lawrence Dunegan, a pediatrician from Pittsburgh, who sat through a talk in 1969, while insider, Dr. Richard Day, national director of Planned Parenthood, spoke of the planned future of America and Americans. Day was speaking to a group of Pediatric Physicians who were told, "No note-taking and no tape recorders."

SPORTS FOR GIRLS — TO DE-EMPHASIZE FEMININITY

Very important in sports was sports for girls. Athletics would be pushed for girls. This was intended to replace dolls. Baby dolls would still be around, a few of them, but you would not see the number and variety of dolls. Dolls would not be pushed because girls should not be thinking about babies and reproduction. Girls should be out on the athletic field just as the boys are. Girls and boys really need not to be all that different. Tea sets were to go the way of dolls, and all these things that traditionally were thought of as feminine would be de-emphasized as girls got into more masculine pursuits.

Just one other thing I recall was that the sports pages would be full of the scores of girls teams just right along there with the boys teams. And that's recently begun to appear after 20 years in our local papers. The girls sports scores are right along with the boys sports scores. So all of this to change the role model of what young girls should look to be. While she's growing up she should look to be an athlete rather to look forward to being a mother.

WORLD CITIZENS — WORLD SPORTS

Anyhow, going back to industry. Some heavy industry would remain. Just enough to maintain a sort of a seedbed of industrial skills which could be expanded if the plan didn't work out as it was intended. So the country would not be devoid of assets and skills. But this was just sort of a contingency plan. It was hoped and expected that the worldwide specialization would be carried on.

But, perhaps repeating myself, one of the upshots of all of this is that with this global interdependence then national identities would tend to be de-emphasized. Each area depended on every other area for one or another elements in its life. We would all become citizens of the world rather than citizens of any one country.

And along these lines then we can talk about sports. Sports in the United States was to be changed, in part as a way of de-emphasizing nationalism. Soccer, a world-wide sport, was to be emphasized and pushed in the United States and this was of interest because in this area the game of soccer was virtually unknown at that time. I had a few friends who attended an elementary school other than the one I attended where they played soccer at their school, and they were a real novelty. This was back in the 50's. So to hear this man speak of soccer in this area was kind of surprising.

Anyhow, soccer is seen as an international sport and would be promoted and the traditional sport of American baseball would be de-emphasized and possibly eliminated because it might be seen as too American. And he discussed eliminating this. One's first reaction would be well, they pay the players poorly and they don't want to play for poor pay so they give up baseball and either go into some other sport or some other activity. But, he said that's really not how it works. Actually, the way to break down baseball would be to make the salaries go very high.

The idea behind this was that as the salaries got ridiculously high there would be a certain amount of discontent and antagonism as people resented the athletes being paid so much, and the athletes would begin more and more to resent among themselves what other players were paid and would tend to abandon the sport. And these high salaries then also could break the owners and alienate the fans. And then the fans would support soccer and the baseball fields could be used as soccer fields. It wasn't said definitely this would have to happen, but if the international flavor didn't come around rapidly enough this could be done.

There was some comment along the same lines about football, although I seem to recall he said football would be harder to dismantle because it was so widely played in colleges as well as in the professional leagues and would be harder to tear down. There was something else also about the violence in football that met a psychological need that was perceived, and people have a need for this vicarious violence. So football, for that reason, might be left around to meet that vicarious need.

The same thing is true of hockey. Hockey had more of an international flavor and would be emphasized. There was some foreseeable international competition about hockey and particularly soccer. At that time hockey was international between the United States and Canada. I was kind of surprised because I thought the speaker just never impressed me as being at all a hockey fan, and I am. And it turns out, he was not. He just knew about the game and what it would do to this changing sports program.

But in any event soccer was to be the keystone of athletics because it is already a world-wide sport in South America, in Europe, in parts of Asia and the United States should get on the bandwagon. All this would foster international competition so that we would all become citizens of the world to a greater extent than citizens of our narrow nations.

ENTERTAINMENT: VIOLENCE, SEX AND MORE SEX DESENSITIZATION — PREPARING THE PEOPLE FOR "HUMAN CASUALTIES"

Movies would gradually be made more explicit as regards sex and language. After all, sex and rough language are real and why pretend that they are not? There would be pornographic movies in the theaters, on television. And VCR's were not around at that time, but he had indicated that these cassettes would be available, and video cassette players would be available for use in the home and pornographic movies would be available for use on these VCRs as well as in the neighborhood theater and on your television. He said something like, "You'll see people in the movies doing everything you can think of."

He went on to say that... and all of this is intended to bring sex out in the open. That was another comment that was made several times – the term "sex out in the open." Violence would be made more graphic. This was intended to desensitize people to violence. There might need to be a time when people would witness real violence and be a part of it. Later on it will become clear where this is headed. So there would be more realistic violence in entertainment which would make it easier for people to adjust.

People's attitudes towards death would change and they would not be so fearful of it but more accepting of it, and not be so aghast at the sight of dead people or injured people. We don't need to have a genteel population paralyzed by what they might see. People would just learn to say, "well, I don't want that to happen to me."

This was the first statement suggesting that the plan includes numerous human casualties which the survivors would see. This particular aspect of the presentation came back in my memory very sharply a few years later when a movie about the Lone Ranger came out and I took my very young son to see it and early in the movie were some very violent scenes. One of the victims was shot in the forehead and there was sort of a splat where the bullet entered his forehead and blood and I remember regretting that I took my son, and remember feeling anger toward the doctor who spoke. Not that he made the movie, but he agreed to be part of this movement, and I was repelled by the movie and it brought back this aspect of his presentation very sharply in my memory.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/nobarbarians1.htm
http://www.sweetliberty.org/nobarbarians2.htm

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But not every adult should be required to race in the Indy 500. Women have no more place in the 500 than men do in the Miss USA contest.

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Not every adult IS required to run in the Indy 500. It's a select group, restricted to those who can get there with the sponsorship and equipment, and who can post up a competitive time. You seem to have a problem with women being able to do that.

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The Indy 500 bans all Indycar drivers [wrong], bans all Indycar teams[wrong], bans all US chassis makers[wrong], bans all US engines[wrong], bans all US tires[wrong], the series bans TV coverage by a major network [wrong]...but at least pussies are required to drive a spec car with no modification nor adjustment allowed.[and wrong]

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