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Sig Your argument is no more valid than saying since we don't see fossils being made any more, all the fossils which have ever BEEN made are made. Idiocy.

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kwickie - this event had nothing to do w/ Bush / Cheney, Haliburton.... but it may very well have to do w/ Clinton.

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So, you don't see it, thus it doesn't exist?

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Just watched the most sobering t.v. I hope to ever watch. Bigger than 9/11.... on the Gulf oil disaster.

I can't mince words here folks....it's bad. Beyond what we've been told.

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This is absurd, I didn't believe he could be serious!

Okay, let's start with your theory. Even if oil IS being produced, our use far far exceeds the production rate. Also, we are now tending to tap into sources that are only partially transformed into oil, meaning we are moving up the chain toward less and less usable sources and eliminating the future development of the more ideal sources.

It takes millions of years to create a tappable deposit of oil, but only about 200 years for us to have used a very large proportion of that. At these rate differences, there is effectively no new oil being created, at least none that will serve any usefulness for us.

This theory is more denial to avoid fear. We're going to have a hard time switching to anything, certainly any ONE thing, to power our love of power, so it's easy to buy into the idea that oil is an infinite part of the earth which we can tap into forever. It's really sad to see people, at this time in history, who so badly want to believe we can go on as we've been going on, and are trying to find reasons to believe we can.

By the way, Kane; I've been married for 35+ years, I don't need to go looking for "a guy". And my weight is 180, which at six feet tall, is 20 lbs. overweight. I'm working to lose that remaining 20 lbs., so you're pathetically off the mark.

The fact that you don't think I'm serious says a lot about you...I'm sad you aren't more trusting of the world, but given the internet, it's to surprising. I got "took" by buying off the internet last year; luckily my bank made it up for me and now I have insurance if it happens again. But anyone here should know me by now, and if you really think I would go to all that trouble to get a lousey $250, that IS sad!

Me, I'm damned frustrated they haven't called me up. I've been pursuing it every day; I know I said they'd need replacements and it might take a while, but I want to get DOWN there--NOW, dammit! I can't just "go", it would be futile as they wouldn't let me do anything; I have to wait for some organization or other to say they'll take me.

WHY I'm explaining this I don't know; probably because that outrageous statement pissed me off. I'm going to have to buy a breathing unit, which I've found at our local OSH for painting, because I'm hearing people are getting sick there from inhaling fumes. They also say they're running out of gear, from gloves to boots. I have my own boots from my time at Marineworld, but I'm also going to take a couple of pairs of heavy gloves, so they don't have to provide me with anything.

I'm still working on this, and I'll be damned if I don't get the chance to do this, it's something I think about every day and plan for.

Fat? No. A con artist? No. Think what you will. If by some fluke (which I REFUSE to think about) I can't go, everyone's money will be either returned or donated to those DOWN there, with receipts for those who want it donated provided to each contributor.

Lastly, I wouldn't meet you if my life depended on it; there are many here I'd ADORE to meet, but you're definitely not one of them!

This thread has become totally absurd; the idea that we can go on using oil infinitely and that anyone actually believes (or wants to believe) that saddens me deeply. How will we get off it in time if people delude themselves into thinking we don't need to?!?!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

To Niki: “My guess is it won't just be your ugly face you dislike.....Well, it's true......if you had a soul.” ...Raptor

...Remember, remember, the ugliest member...

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Hasn't that been the entirety of your claims about the federal response to the oil spill? That you don't see it (because Faux doesn't cover it), ergo it doesn't exist?

You've been saying that quite literally for weeks now.

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Thats why he's spent more time golfing, hosting concerts, going on date nights, and attending Democratic fundraisers then he has on his oil 9/11.

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Nothing you say on this matter is of any impotance, what so ever.

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As I said before, the free market dipshits wanted this. They've got their wish. They should say "Thank you, Mister President. We'll handle it from here." Instead they come whining like a bunch of pussies, begging - no, DEMANDING - that the government they hate so fucking much should now save their stupid asses. And, as always, they want US to pay for the privilege of bailing their stupid fucking corporate asses out. Fuck 'em. They wanted no part of our regulations and oversight. They did this to us. We did not do this to them.

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Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Government's just the kick bag of the right.

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Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Government's just the kick bag of the right.

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No, it's more like damned if you don't/ damned if you don't

The Gov't isn't the kick bag of the " right ". It's the kick bag of EVERY INTELLIGENT, FREE THINKING INDIVIDUAL !

Guess that leaves out, however.

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It's the right that says government SHOULDN'T be involved, SHOULDN'T regulate, remember Crap? You've said it often enough here, you can't back out now. You're screaming and yelling about the government (Obama) not doing "anything"; why aren't you calling BP? They're the free enterprise that wasn't regulated and "regulated" themselves, just like you always want. So why are you blaming the very government you DO NOT WANT involved in private enerprise?

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Rappy's really hilarious - he's one of those Nordquistian neo-cons who really actively thought that you really could get government down to the size where you could drown it in a bathtub - and now he finds out that because of the policies HE and his cohorts championed ("No regulations! Free markets! Drill, Baby, DRILL! Drill Here, Drill NOW!!"), that government is now drowning - in a sea of spilled oil.



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Niki....

You're so into sucking this President's dick, that you'll over look pretty much anything he does.

Jones Act issue is established fact. You deny it all the hell you want, it doesn't change 1 god damn thing.

This President is an abysmal failure. The article I linked to proves that, even if it doesn't mention the Jones Act. SO FUCKING WHAT!

I have no partisan jihad. I see a worthless piece of shit leader not doing his job, trying to snow everyone into blaming anyone BUT him, and then talking shit about litigation and legislation

THE GOD DAMN COAST IS DEAD, AND HE DOESN'T CARE!


That's not me saying that, that's the people whose lives are destroyed, who live in the land that is full of death and suffocating wild life, and all you fucking want to do is bicker over how great a job this man is doing ,and anyone who says any different is on some " jihad " against his politics

HE BROUGHT UP POLITICS, NOT ME!

HE'S THE ONE USING A CRISIS TO GET HIS PRECIOUS POLITICAL AGENDA IN THE SPOT LIGHT, WHILE HE DOES NOTHING TO HELP SOLVE THE SITUATION !

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So what do McCain's balls smell like?

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Well said, Anthony. Thanx for the reminder. I'll stop now, i might actually get angry and say something I'd regret. Thank you and good night.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


To our President: “Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.... oh, go fuck yourself, Mr. President” ...Raptor

To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

To Frem: “You miserable piece of shit.” ...Raptor

To Niki: “My guess is it won't just be your ugly face you dislike.....Well, it's true......if you had a soul.” ...Raptor

To Kwicko:" You're the putrid slime which oozes between troll's toes, you're so low.” ...Raptor

...Remember, remember, the ugliest member...

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President Barack Obama tried to deliver an upbeat message Monday in Theodore. He emphasized cooperation and coordination among all levels of government, stressed that Gulf seafood is safe to eat and said the Gulf Coast will eventually be "in better shape than it was before."

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Better than it was before.

You heard it, folks. Messiah is going to make it all better.

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Obviously, we must conserve. We must utilize what we have, because we won't be using oil at such rates for eternity. But there's still a freakin' lot of oil out there, to be found. And used. No matter how much we hate to say it, or how much it offends our optimistic nature to admit it, we're going to be using oil for a long time. Best if we accept that fact, and try like hell to make good use of what we have.

In ALL areas.

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President Barack Obama tried to deliver an upbeat message Monday in Theodore. He emphasized cooperation and coordination among all levels of government, stressed that Gulf seafood is safe to eat and said the Gulf Coast will eventually be "in better shape than it was before."

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Yeah, last time I heard that much bullshit spewing from a President was on 9/12. Remember when we were going to "get bin Laden, dead or alive"? Remember when we were going to rebuild the World Trade Center, and make it even better?

Meanwhile, Dubai broke ground on a new skyscraper over twice as tall as the twin towers three years after 9/11, and it's open for business now. During Bush's entire two terms in office, all we were left with at Ground Zero was a big steaming hole.

Where's your messiah now, Raptard? On a golf course? Giving self-help/get-rich-quick seminars at $15 a pop?


Hey, all Obama has to do to make the Gulf "in better shape than it was before" is clean up some of the oil. Voila! It's in better shape than it was BEFORE THE OIL WAS CLEANED UP. :)

Mike

On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

This vile and revolting malice - this is their true colors, always has been, you're just seeing it without the mask of justifications and excuses they hide it behind, is all. Make sure to remember it once they put the mask back on. --Fremdfirma

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We still do have conversations, but it requires some digging to find them.

I admire the effort to stop the fighting. I mostly got too tired to try to intervene.

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