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Originally posted by citizen:
So Wulf:

I guess you believe the government should force people to get vaccinations then?

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If you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear demonic voices. The scary part is that if you play it forwards it installs Windows.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Wow. Lots of hate here, Wulf."

Sorry. I can't stand the idea that a child dies from this because either:

1. Some redneck listens to Jenny McCarthy about vaccines.

2. Some poor illegal Mexican (who lives in a shithole of a country) brings it here cus they don't/can't immunize their children... or

3. Some stupid fucking hippie lib doesnt immunize their illegitimate baby cus its not "natural". Or, allows them to starve on some "vegan" diet.

ETS: Yes, yes, I do have issues with hippies. These spoiled brats, growing up in one of the safest, most prosperous societies on the planet and what do they do?

Waste it. Become the worst, most spoiled group thats ever lived.

Gah!!!!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Wow. Lots of hate here, Wulf."

Sorry. I can't stand the idea that a child dies from this because either:

1. Some redneck listens to Jenny McCarthy about vaccines.

2. Some poor illegal Mexican (who lives in a shithole of a country) brings it here cus they don't/can't immunize their children... or

3. Some stupid fucking hippie lib doesnt immunize their illegitimate baby cus its not "natural". Or, allows them to starve on some "vegan" diet.

ETS: Yes, yes, I do have issues with hippies. These spoiled brats, growing up in one of the safest, most prosperous societies on the planet and what do they do?

Waste it. Become the worst, most spoiled group thats ever lived.

Gah!!!!

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So you're saying you're AGAINST all these people having the freedom to choose whether or not to vaccinate? Am I reading that correctly? Wulfie's officially AGAINST freedom? He's FOR the government telling us all how to live, what to do, how to think?

[sarcasm]I'm shocked. [/sarcasm]


"I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."


On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

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Originally posted by kaneman:

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Originally posted by citizen:
So Wulf:

I guess you believe the government should force people to get vaccinations then?

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Hey English man, stay out of this debate it's for Americans only. No one cares when you ask "should Government" your "government" is not ours. You are irrelevant when Americans are talking about anything. Seriously, do you think any American on this board gives a shit what you think? You are fucking British and most likely have bad teeth...Well, it's true.....

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Originally posted by kaneman:

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Originally posted by citizen:
So Wulf:

I guess you believe the government should force people to get vaccinations then?

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If you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear demonic voices. The scary part is that if you play it forwards it installs Windows.

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Hey English man, stay out of this debate it's for Americans only. No one cares when you ask "should Government" your "government" is not ours. You are irrelevant when Americans are talking about anything. Seriously, do you think any American on this board gives a shit what you think? You are fucking British and most likely have bad teeth...Well, it's true.....

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By that logic, you being an American means you're 50 pounds overweight...

Well, it's true...

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Originally posted by kaneman:

That would appear to be the case...by that logic.. However, that makes him no less relevant...and you know that. Do you ever care what a British clown thinks...of course not....Well, it's true....

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

I'm not sure why they're talking about a vaccine for a bacteria? Vaccine are for virus.

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Byte,

I concur. Synthetic Antigen ought to be enough

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Nice one, Kwick.

1. No, Im not for government-mandated vaccinations or innoculations.

2. Yes, people have the absolute right to be stupid.

3. It makes me veeeery angry that their stupidity is harming children.

4. Uggh, can't believe Im quoting an often (mis)used lib talking point but... In this case, education IS the key.

... and pimp-slapping Jenny McCarthy... and hippies... and liberals... and rednecks... lol

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:


Yes. Actually, I am for the choice to be stupid, but I am against them actually BEING stupid. As it is not my right to force them to live a certain way, I am left being angered at the choices they make that hurt innocent children.

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But, I really get angered (again) when innocent children (and innocents in general) are hurt because of the stupidity (or predation) of others.

....waiting for the obligatory "But, but you a raciss!" comments.

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Waited for the obligatory comments, and was not disapointed.

Thanks Kwick!

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Vaccines for bacteria. Still seems odd to me. I can understand using synthetics, and I even understand the membrane of the bacteria having protein that antibodies will build a response to. And that prevention is as important as cure.

I guess it just seems redundant if you have antibiotics,

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"Except the overuse of Antibiotics has created resistant strains."

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Except the overuse of Antibiotics has created resistant strains.

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conspiracy theorists (whose views on immunization are that there are metals in them and they cause autism--which has been debunked time and time again).

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Hmm, I see Malachite posted something that's possibly a good point about what people can afford, I'm going to read that now.

EDIT: @ Malachite. The question I have, of course, is how much a vaccine reduces those impacts, and a suspicion that vaccines sometimes MAKE people sick.

Also, more crazy conspiracy theorist minded, wondering why vaccination programs tend to be targeted towards the poor.

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Your other question about vaccines targeting the poor. Well, as far as I know, pediatric guidelines recommend vaccinating everyone who consents and their isn't a glaring contraindication for, regardless of socioeconomic status. Why the seeming emphasis on vaccinating the poor? Probably because the rich already go theirs because they have good access to healthcare. The poor don't, so it requires more effort to get the word out and get them into clinics for starters. If the poor are minorities, they may be suspicious of the majority, so may require extra education/effort to get vaccinated.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Oh, I didn't mean to ask whether vaccines reduce disease. I was asking if vaccines really do reduce the impacts of people getting sick, you know, the economics of it you mentioned. Probably, but I don't know for sure.

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Your other question about vaccines targeting the poor. Well, as far as I know, pediatric guidelines recommend vaccinating everyone who consents and their isn't a glaring contraindication for, regardless of socioeconomic status. Why the seeming emphasis on vaccinating the poor? Probably because the rich already go theirs because they have good access to healthcare. The poor don't, so it requires more effort to get the word out and get them into clinics for starters. If the poor are minorities, they may be suspicious of the majority, so may require extra education/effort to get vaccinated.

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That's the surface explanation. But there might be deeper ones that are less benevolent.

(I'm a conspiracy theorist myself, in case you couldn't tell, though I try to be reasonable about it. I might see sinister things in some places you might find ridiculous. :) )

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
ANNNND..... boom.

Here we have Kwick taking it to a far more personal level than (even) I have ever done.

Good job.

For all your talk, when the "masks" come off... you are a far worse person than I.

Amazing isn't it?

I speak in generalities. I argue for the simple freedoms that we should all have. I argue against stupidity and for true equality.

You?

You try and take it personal, to somehow demean a point you can't stand.

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And now? They are the ones whinging for Big Daddy government to take over their lives because THEY are such failures.

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Fuck you Jenny McCarthy.

Fuck you Mexicans.

Fuck you hippie lib bastards.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Oh, I didn't mean to ask whether vaccines reduce disease. I was asking if vaccines really do reduce the impacts of people getting sick, you know, the economics of it you mentioned. Probably, but I don't know for sure.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Mmmm... It's going to be hard to establish a health link from a government org as "neutral" with me. Just FYI.

But, if your assumption is correct, then I would agree with you. Unless there were any sort of long term effects to be worried about, from vaccines.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Vaccinate your children, morons!

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I just noticed something. NOWERE in that article does it say lack of vaccination is what is causing the epidemic. It DOES say “Health officials say whooping cough is cyclical and tends to peak every two to five years”, and "
Neither vaccine nor surviving the illness provides lifetime immunity", but no mention of lack of vaccination being the cause of this rise.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
The key word here is "overuse" and there's one part being overlooked, the part you edited out: that there are places bacteria congregate, such as in hospitals, that are not sterilized well enough and so create breeding grounds for resistant strains.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
EDIT: @ Malachite. The question I have, of course, is how much a vaccine reduces those impacts, and a suspicion that vaccines sometimes MAKE people sick.

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