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Joss's politics
Monday, July 12, 2004 4:11 PM
DOUBLETHINK84
Monday, July 12, 2004 4:20 PM
TIGER
Monday, July 12, 2004 4:27 PM
Monday, July 12, 2004 4:46 PM
Monday, July 12, 2004 4:49 PM
THUNDAR
Monday, July 12, 2004 4:59 PM
Monday, July 12, 2004 5:00 PM
KERNELM
Monday, July 12, 2004 5:07 PM
Monday, July 12, 2004 5:26 PM
STANDING8
Monday, July 12, 2004 5:40 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Monday, July 12, 2004 5:41 PM
QUICKSAND
Monday, July 12, 2004 6:25 PM
Monday, July 12, 2004 6:33 PM
PURPLEBELLY
Monday, July 12, 2004 6:45 PM
Monday, July 12, 2004 9:01 PM
Monday, July 12, 2004 10:43 PM
RECHELON
Monday, July 12, 2004 11:56 PM
SOUPCATCHER
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:01 AM
TOTALLYFRYED
Quote:Originally posted by Quicksand: Well, I wouldn't say that, necessarily. I mean, the show seems to advocate the killing of most, if not all, vampires. Not a very liberal mindset at all, if you ask me.
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 5:48 AM
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:35 AM
Quote: And when i say liberal, i dont mean the stereotypical liberal the right-wing media puts out.
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:22 AM
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:40 AM
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by doublethink84: stereotypical- the head up in clouds, ideological, unrealistic liberal. the liberal who just says 'peace man'.
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:53 AM
SHINYSEVEN
Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:29 AM
SIMONF
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:03 AM
GHOULMAN
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: 'Mal's politics are very reactionary and 'Big government is bad' and 'Don't interfere with my life,''' Whedon explains. ''And sometimes he's wrong -- because sometimes the Alliance is America, this beautiful shining light of democracy. But sometimes the Alliance is America in Vietnam: we have a lot of petty politics, we are way out of our league and we have no right to control these people. And yet! Sometimes the Alliance is America in Nazi Germany. And Mal can't see that, because he was a Vietnamese.'' The show's other central concern diverges intriguingly from Buffy's universe, where fate and destiny loom large. ''I'm a very hard-line, angry atheist,'' Whedon says. ''Yet I am fascinated by the concept of devotion. And I want to explore that.'' (His existential revelation arrived during an adolescent viewing of ''Close Encounters of the Third Kind'' -- an experience soon followed by a reading of Sartre's ''Nausea.'') Mal tells the preacher who is a passenger on his ship, ''You're welcome on my boat; God ain't.'' If Buffy is the chosen one, forced to struggle with a responsibility that comes from outside, Mal is defiant in his belief that his fate is meaningless. ''This is a man who has learned that when he believed in something it destroyed him,'' Whedon explains. ''So what he believes in is the next job, the next paycheck and keeping his crew safe.'' It is a typical Whedonian inversion: much the way Buffy is a demon-killer obsessed with the morality of killing, Mal is a man of action frozen by his conviction that nothing really matters, a man forced to choose his morality at each juncture. ''Whatever I may think of him politically, he's a guy who looks into the void and sees nothing but the void -- and says there is no moral structure, there is no help, no one's coming, no one gets it, I have to do it.''
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by shinyseven: Heart of Gold is kind of a condensed version of The Handmaid's Tale, only with more shooting and whores,....
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:21 AM
KOZURE
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 6:16 PM
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 7:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Ghoulman: I noticed that Whedon is pretty middle of the road, young Yank from the burbs.
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:23 PM
SOLON
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:11 PM
Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by PurpleBelly: Quote:Originally posted by Ghoulman: I noticed that Whedon is pretty middle of the road, young Yank from the burbs. Third generation TV writer, educated at Riverdale, Winchester College and Wesleyan sounds like aristo to me, but I am European.
Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:48 AM
Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:07 AM
SOUTHERNMERC
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 7:08 AM
BIGBLUEFAN
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 3:33 PM
RUE
I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:09 PM
SHINY
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:19 PM
Tuesday, July 20, 2004 11:53 PM
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SimonF: Finally found a scan on the interview with the now defunct Face magazine. http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/?navi=news.php&id=3873
Quote:“The Firefly future also has the US colonising Britain, adopting a king as ruler, and making Londonium the capital of its empire.”
Quote: Joss worships Bill Clinton, recognising in him a kindred spirit, a Democrat with moral vision, who could nonetheless engage the masses and make things happen: “Not that he didn’t do the corrupt deal-making things, like every other politician – but the Clinton presidency was a beautiful thing.”
Quote:[speaking about Firefly] “The whole point is the triumph of the human spirit,” he says. “The tiny man crushed by every circumstance lives on, and that is the triumph.”
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:00 AM
HKCAVALIER
Quote:Originally posted by Tiger: Quote: Joss worships Bill Clinton, recognising in him a kindred spirit, a Democrat with moral vision, who could nonetheless engage the masses and make things happen: “Not that he didn’t do the corrupt deal-making things, like every other politician – but the Clinton presidency was a beautiful thing.” He was a corrupt deal-maker but his administration was a beautiful thing? If somebody here posted something so self-contradictory they’d be torn to shreds (and rightly so). Either the magazine grossly misrepresented the conversation, or more likely, it just goes to show that a genius in one field isn’t any more likely to be smart about politics than the rest of us.
Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by HKCavalier: Time was, being able to hold two seemingly contradictory concepts in your mind at once was a sign of sanity and maturity.
Quote:Seems reasonable to me that Joss would approve of a lot of things a man might do, without believing the man himself to be some paragon of virtue.
Quote:Ever try to explain Mal Reynold's ethics to someone? The man is a mass of contradictions--
Quote:Why is it we're so ready to tear people to shreds when we don't understand what they're getting at?
Sunday, August 1, 2004 5:06 AM
LEXIBLOCK
Quote:Originally posted by KernelM: In his DVD commentaries, he has mentioned more than once that he doesn't like guns (but of course respects the genre trappings of a Western).
Sunday, August 1, 2004 6:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Tiger: He was a corrupt deal-maker but his administration was a beautiful thing?
Sunday, August 1, 2004 7:38 AM
Sunday, August 1, 2004 8:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Tiger- Doncha get it??? ...all he [Mal] had left was a direction to guide him through ambiguous choices- not always between "good" and "bad" but between "bad" and "less bad". Sometimes, Mal engages in corrupt dealings (like transporting slaves) for a greater good (keeping his crew together).
Quote:I think Joss sees Clinton as being the same: a person with compassion maintaining his direction in an environment when most people are going the other way.
Sunday, August 1, 2004 12:23 PM
Sunday, August 1, 2004 2:52 PM
BOURNE
Quote:BTW- the slave-trading ep was an unaired one.
Sunday, August 1, 2004 7:55 PM
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