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Iranian mother of two to be stoned to death
Monday, July 5, 2010 8:07 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:An Iranian human rights activist warns Sakineh Mohammadie Ashtiani, a mother of two, could be stoned to death at any moment under the terms of a death sentence handed down by Iranian authorities. Ashtiani, 42, will be buried up to her chest, according to an Amnesty International report citing the Iranian penal code. The stones that will be hurled at her will be large enough to cause pain but not so large as to kill her immediately. Ashtiani, who is from the northern city of Tabriz, was convicted of adultery in 2006. She was forced to confess after being subjected to 99 lashes, human rights lawyer Mohammad Mostafaei said Thursday in a telephone interview from Tehran. She later retracted that confession and has denied wrongdoing. Her conviction was based not on evidence but on the determination of three out of five judges, Mostafaei said. She has asked forgiveness from the court but the judges refused to grant clemency. The circumstances of Ashtiani's case make it not an exception but the rule in Iran, according to Amnesty International, which tracks death penalty cases around the world. "The majority of those sentenced to death by stoning are women, who suffer disproportionately from such punishment," the human rights group said in a 2008 report. Article 74 of the Iranian penal code requires at least four witnesses -- four men or three men and two women -- for an adulterer to receive a stoning sentence, said Ahadi, of the International Committee Against Stoning. But there were no witnesses in Ashtiani's case. Often, said Ahadi, husbands turn wives in to get out of a marriage. The public won't be allowed to witness the stoning, for fear of condemnation of such a brutal method. He is hoping there won't be an execution.
Monday, July 5, 2010 8:32 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Monday, July 5, 2010 9:24 AM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Monday, July 5, 2010 9:33 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Monday, July 5, 2010 9:47 AM
Monday, July 5, 2010 12:02 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Monday, July 5, 2010 12:22 PM
DREAMTROVE
Monday, July 5, 2010 1:43 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Monday, July 5, 2010 2:18 PM
MINCINGBEAST
Monday, July 5, 2010 4:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Okay, I did a little digging. She is accused of killing her husband, not adultery...
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 2:45 AM
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 4:32 AM
KANEMAN
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 4:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Here in the U.S., we would NEVER use state-sponsored torture do kill someone. Oh. Never mind. We do that, too. Congratulations - Iran's legal system is now as bad as America's! AURaptor's Greatest Hits: Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT: Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama: Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit. ... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 4:58 AM
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 5:29 AM
Quote: Oh, Kaney, you silly little boy - you're just jealous; you could never type with your ass while all those penises are lodged in it.
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 6:14 AM
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 7:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: You seem to do okay at it, too. Spelling and grammar could use work, but you do a better job of it than Kaney. 'Course, you'd rather suck a little dick if you had your choice, as you told WhoZit the other day... AURaptor's Greatest Hits: Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT: Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama: Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit. ... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 7:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by kaneman: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: You seem to do okay at it, too. Spelling and grammar could use work, but you do a better job of it than Kaney. 'Course, you'd rather suck a little dick if you had your choice, as you told WhoZit the other day... AURaptor's Greatest Hits: Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT: Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama: Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit. ... go fuck yourself, Mr. President. It always comes back to dicks and asses with you. Telling you.. that you type with your ass...I mean you are a 'tard...Some how you miss that and take it to your gay extreme...Gay to me = foolish.. When you talk about child molestation that = weird That is why I can't take you serious. You are a tabooed-out homosexual......"Butt", thanks for the laugh you fag...ROTL...douche-bag ”Niki--condescending arrogant fat old bi-polar hag....You are an asshole...one does not need a sockpuppet to tell you to fuck off" ...sayeth Kane
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 7:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by kaneman: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: You seem to do okay at it, too. Spelling and grammar could use work, but you do a better job of it than Kaney. 'Course, you'd rather suck a little dick if you had your choice, as you told WhoZit the other day... AURaptor's Greatest Hits: Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT: Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama: Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit. ... go fuck yourself, Mr. President. It always comes back to dicks and asses with you. Telling you.. that you type with your ass...I mean you are a 'tard...Some how you miss that and take it to your gay extreme...Gay to me = foolish.. When you talk about child molestation that = weird That is why I can't take you serious. You are a tabooed-out homosexual......"Butt", thanks for the laugh you fag...ROTL...douche-bag ”Niki--condescending arrogant fat old bi-polar hag....You are an asshole...one does not need a sockpuppet to tell you to fuck off" ...sayeth Kane I dunno, Kaney - you seem obsessed with linking your every post to dicks and asses. It certainly seems to point to you as being a bit obsessed. As for the pedophilia, you yourself admitted to it and said you were proud of it; do you not remember that? AURaptor's Greatest Hits: Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT: Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama: Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit. ... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 7:54 AM
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 8:20 AM
BYTEMITE
Quote:Originally posted by kaneman: I'm not sure how I feel about this. For the sanctity of marriage maybe all adulterers should be stoned. Think about it if you knew you were going to get rocks for getting your rocks off. What would you do? It is all about keeping the family intact...It's all about the children.
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 8:41 AM
Quote:Louise Arbour, condemned the stoning last Thursday of Jafar Kiani in a village 130 miles north-west of Tehran. The punishment was an apparent snub to judiciary chief, Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi, who ordered the suspension of the stoning verdicts against Mr Kiani and his partner, Mokarameh Ebrahimi, last month following protests from Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. Stoning sentences - the standard punishment for adultery under Iran's Islamic law - have rarely been implemented since Mr Shahroudi ordered a moratorium in 2002. But Mr Jamshidi suggested Mr Kiani's sentence had been upheld on the order of higher authorities to send a signal to the west. "We are not obeying pressure from human rights groups. We are obeying religious regulations and our own laws," he said.
Quote:Nine criminals will soon face execution by stoning. Eight of the nine people, age from 27 to 43, are women. They were convicted of adultery, prostitution and incest. The only man, a 50-year-old music professor, was convicted for having sex with a student. In accordance with the Iranian law, men who are convicted of adultery will be buried up to the waist, while women will be buried up to their chest for stoning. Iranian judiciary chief Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi ordered a moratorium on stoning in 2002, since then, three persons have been executed.
Quote:Iran has fiercely denied that it executes juvenile criminals or stones people to death. "In the Islamic republic, we do not see such things being carried out," said judiciary spokesman Jamal Karimirad. The UN General Assembly recently censured Iran for "continuing violations of human rights". It condemned the country's record on torture, public executions, floggings and discrimination against women. Iran said the sentence was deferred for consideration by the pardons commission. But there have been recent executions of people under the age of 18. Iranian law specifies exactly how stoning should be carried out, saying stones must be small enough not to kill instantly. But Mr Karimirad said that even if such sentences were passed by lower courts, they were overruled by higher courts and "no such verdicts have been carried out".
Quote:Like many other Islamic countries, Iran enforces the religious sharia law, which allows for the execution of children, including girls aged nine or older and boys 15 and older.
Quote:Within Sharia law, there are a group of "Haram" offenses which carry severe punishments. These include pre-marital sexual intercourse, sex by divorced persons, post-marital sex, adultery, false accusation of unlawful intercourse, drinking alcohol, theft, and highway robbery. Haram sexual offenses can carry a sentence of stoning to death or severe flogging.
Quote:It is a significant contribution of Islam that these penalties are called hudud (boundaries) and not punishments: they are liabilities incurred as a result of crossing the boundaries set by God. An important consequence of these hudud having been laid down by God and not by man, is that it is beyond human authority to reduce or supersede them out of a sense of mercy greater than that of God; nor can a tyrant or autocrat add to them out of a greater sense of strict justice. For no one can be more merciful or wiser or more just than God Himself.
Quote:In accordance with hadith, stoning to death is the penalty for married men and women who commit adultery...In practice the new Sharia courts in Nigeria have most often meant the re-introduction of harsh punishments without respecting the much tougher rules of evidence and testimony. The punishments include amputation of one/both hands for theft and stoning for adultery.
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 8:49 AM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: My first guess would be that there are probably people in that corner of the govt. who would love to see us invade, which is of course the point of the story.
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 9:16 AM
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 9:49 AM
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 10:23 AM
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 10:28 AM
Quote:You can't be nuclear proficient and medieval at the same time
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 10:30 AM
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 10:33 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 10:44 AM
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 12:08 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 12:14 PM
Quote:Son pleads for help as mother awaits stoning in Iran -- http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/07/06/iran.stoning/index.html?video=true&hpt=T2] I was trying to find out where I read that a woman had her sentence commuted because she had repented, as it is the opposite of the CNN article. I think maybe it was another woman I read about. Still haven't found it, but here's an account and supposedly a picture of one who's sentence was carried out: "According to the state-run daily Rooz, "In May 2006, two people identified as Mahboubeh M. and Abbass H. were stoned to death in the northern city of Mashhad." The daily added, "Mahboubeh and Abbass were treated as if they were dead already. According to Islamic rituals, they were cleaned and wrapped in shrouds by the undertaker. Being a female, Mahboubeh was buried alive up to her shoulders, and Abbass was buried in the ground up to his waist. Then, they were stoned to death gradually by the volunteers who had come for the stoning. Media news reports only said that they were executed."
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 12:19 PM
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 12:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Magon, I've thought this myself. I hear lethal injection is still pretty painful. Electrocution and firing squad have mostly been phased out, though Utah still offers the firing squad because of a Mormon religious belief about blood needing to be spilled for sins that none of them will quite admit to. Hangings still happen, though with less legitimacy. This kind of gets into a whole question of the prison system and incarceration versus prevention and rehabilitation for me, so I'll stop there.
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 12:52 PM
Quote:GOP Congressional Candidate Friends With "Execution By Stoning" Advocate Running for a seat in Oregon's 4th District, Congressional candidate Art Robinson has proposed dumping crude oil waste and radioactive waste at sea, and he advocates that children read a racist 19th Century novel (which Robinson prints and sells.) Then there's the "Biblical stoning" issue... Arthur Robinson has lots of ties to the Christian Reconstructionist movement, including being friends with leading Christian Reconstructionist theologian Gary North, who has described execution-by-stoning as a "community project," (rocks are cheap, plentiful, and convenient, North argues.) Art Robinson's Christian homeschooling curriculum even features a 51-minute interview with Christian Reconstructionism's intellectual founder, R. J. Rushdoony. So what is Christian Reconstructionism ? Let's start here: As Walter Olson began his sardonic "Invitation To A Stoning", published in the November 1998 issue of Reason Magazine, For connoisseurs of surrealism on the American right, it's hard to beat an exchange that appeared about a decade ago in the Heritage Foundation magazine Policy Review. It started when two associates of the Rev. Jerry Falwell wrote an article which criticized Christian Reconstructionism, the influential movement led by theologian Rousas John (R.J.) Rushdoony, for advocating positions that even they as committed fundamentalists found "scary." Among Reconstructionism's highlights, the article cited support for laws "mandating the death penalty for homosexuals and drunkards." The Rev. Rushdoony fired off a letter to the editor complaining that the article had got his followers' views all wrong: They didn't intend to put drunkards to death. Christian Reconstructionism has come a long way since then. Gary North is a leading Christian Reconstructionist. As leading authority on Christian Reconstructionism Frederick Clarkson, describes in a Public Eye article titled, Christian Reconstructionism - Theocratic Dominionism Gains Influence, Epitomizing the Reconstructionist idea of Biblical "warfare" is the centrality of capital punishment under Biblical Law. Doctrinal leaders (notably Rushdoony, North, and Bahnsen) call for the death penalty for a wide range of crimes in addition to such contemporary capital crimes as rape, kidnapping, and murder. Death is also the punishment for apostasy (abandonment of the faith), heresy, blasphemy, witchcraft, astrology, adultery, "sodomy or homosexuality," incest, striking a parent, incorrigible juvenile delinquency, and, in the case of women, "unchastity before marriage." According to Gary North, women who have abortions should be publicly executed, "along with those who advised them to abort their children." Art Robinson in 1986 co-authored with Dr. Gary North a book on how to survive nuclear war titled, Fighting Chance: Ten Feet To Survival. The book advocated bringing back the so-called "Duck and Cover" civil defense approach promoted by the US government civil defense film "Duck and Cover" shown in US schools to schoolchildren in the 1950's and 1960's. As "Invitation To A Stoning" described North's view on, well, stoning, Reconstructionists provide the most enthusiastic constituency for stoning since the Taliban seized Kabul. "Why stoning?" asks North. "There are many reasons. First, the implements of execution are available to everyone at virtually no cost." Thrift and ubiquity aside, "executions are community projects--not with spectators who watch a professional executioner do `his' duty, but rather with actual participants." You might even say that like square dances or quilting bees, they represent the kind of hands-on neighborliness so often missed in this impersonal era. "That modern Christians never consider the possibility of the reintroduction of stoning for capital crimes," North continues, "indicates how thoroughly humanistic concepts of punishment have influenced the thinking of Christians." And he may be right about that last point, you know. Gary North is a former Congressional staffer for Texas Congressman Ron Paul (who has endorsed Art Robinson's congressional campaign.) In a November 23, 2002 post at the web site LouRockwell.com, North described how Robinson had purchased an industrial printing press to print hard cover copies of the G. A. Henty boys' novel series: My friend Art Robinson, a scientist and the publisher of the Access to Energy newsletter, recently bought a used $3 million printing press and support equipment for about three cents on the dollar at an auction. The owner had gone out of business. There were few bidders for that press in a recession year. Robinson uses it to publish a series of over a hundred boys' novels, based on world history, written in the 19th century by G. A. Henty. Robinson had assembled a large mailing list of potential customers who had already bought all of Henty's books on Robinson's Henty CD-ROM for $99 - a terrific deal.
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 12:57 PM
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 1:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Per the linked video of stoning in Iran, I watched, up to a point. The video was shot in 1994. The accused was wrapped in a white sheet,covering his entire body, placed in a pre dug hole, which was then filled in w/ dirt, roughly to the man's waist. That was about all I needed to watch. It was noted in the video that there's a proper size for stones to be thrown. Pebbles are too small, and rocks which may result in death in the 1st or 2nd throw are too big. Apparently it doesn't matter if you're Randy Johnson or Nolan Ryan, as long as the size of the rock you through is " just right" . Any doubt that this is a culture stuck in the medieval period of human history, and that the idea of these folks having a nuclear weapon is a really BAD one, just isn't thinking straight.
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 1:04 PM
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 1:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: That they're in the same country where nukes are being made.... that's enough to concern me.
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 1:19 PM
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 2:02 PM
Quote: Riiiiiii-iiiight. The PROPER way to kill them is to strap them to a board and slowly drown them! That's SO much more humane...
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 2:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Actually, she was going to be stoned for killing her husband. I guess according to you, she got the last word in.
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 3:26 PM
KIRKULES
Quote:Originally posted by mincingbeast: If I were capable of outrage, would my outrage over stoning be illegitimate because Americans use lethal injections? I'm having a hard time following that one. Good thing I don't give a damn what the citizens of the Bronze Age are doing, so long as it doesn't threaten my health.
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 3:30 PM
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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 3:38 PM
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 8:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by mincingbeast: Nice pun. I oppose the death penalty, because I have squishy, delicate sensibilities. Its barbaric. But perhaps we can admit different degrees of barbarism, and not trip over ourselves in the rush to turn Iran's brutal Bronze Age practices into a window on our own failings. I don't need a poor Iranian woman to be stoned to put the US in perspective.
Wednesday, July 7, 2010 1:51 AM
Quote: We've never sentenced anyone to death by the methods you claim, yet you draw a direct comparison between stoning and water boarding ?
Quote: I'll take how we performed the water boarding, every day, & you take the stoning.
Wednesday, July 7, 2010 1:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Quote:Originally posted by mincingbeast: Nice pun. I oppose the death penalty, because I have squishy, delicate sensibilities. Its barbaric. But perhaps we can admit different degrees of barbarism, and not trip over ourselves in the rush to turn Iran's brutal Bronze Age practices into a window on our own failings. I don't need a poor Iranian woman to be stoned to put the US in perspective. Oh but I think you can. You can say that 'we put our citizens to death in a slightly less barbaric fashion' but you can't really, morally get outraged about a system that supports murdering its citizens when you do that as well.
Wednesday, July 7, 2010 2:18 AM
Wednesday, July 7, 2010 2:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Pizmo You are correct. It is the media, not the govt. As for the conspiracy, the MSM elite have more agenda monkeys than the Govt., so that could still be. As for Iran providing the material, yes and no. Possibly someone arranged for this to point out the barbary, if only because there is a judge involved. Even in a remote region it seems unlikely. Still and all, I'd say that someone is fishing for a cause for war.
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