If you can't beat them, call them raciss. by Wulfenstar

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/naacp-tea-party-civil-rights-group-cons
iders-resolution/story?id=11144640

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 12:29 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Oh, I could say sooooo.... SOOOOOOO much about this.

But then, where is the fun in that?

You gotta let people find their own way to the truth of things.

(Cue Kwick with some snark... go ahead buddy, have at it!)

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 12:36 PM

WHOZIT

Oh I get it! She's a filthy race baiter!

Those arn't boobs, they're lies! - Stewie Griffin

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 12:38 PM

This "raciss" thing is getting really old. It seems like one of those evasion and obfuscation techniques neonazis teach their disciples to avoid talking about something substantial and having to, oh, face debate.

The word "racism" exists because it describes a real concept. Trying to pretend the word away won't make people forget what reality it stands for. In fact, your apparent denial of the word only makes it seem all the more relevant.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 12:41 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

lol

When you can't argue the truth, argue with the wording.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 12:44 PM

I didn't even click on your link. The word has just been annoying me for quite a while.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 12:48 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Ok, fair enough.

Its a play on pronunciation.

Those most likely to be screaming "racist" are generally not educated enough to pronounce it correctly.

Also, they are least likely to understand its true meaning, and to ignore the man-in-the-mirror, so to speak.

So, to cry "raciss", I would argue... you should first look in the mirror and see what you and yours are doing.

My own opinion, of course.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 12:50 PM

STORYMARK

Gee, how could I tell from the title that this would be yet another in a loooong line of "I'm not a racist just cuz I constantly say racists things - look over here!!" posts.

Boring.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 12:52 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Story! How nice of you to show up.

Now let me guess... you didnt read the link, did you.

Maybe you did? But have nothing to say about it.

Except to try and gloss over it with the whole "WULF is raciss cus I say hes raciss and Im not raciss cus Wulf is raciss!" spiel, that you always try.

Right?

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 1:05 PM

MINCINGBEAST

I dig your "dat raciss" gimmick. It exposes the brittle, hyper-sensitivity folks have towards race, and provides partial cover for mocking people.

You raciss, Wulf. So? Racism works on an unconscious level--no matter how pronounced one's civil rights pieties, in our guts we prefer people like us. Everyone is raciss, but most too chickenshit to own up to it.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 1:07 PM

BYTEMITE

Alternative thread title: Wulf is bored.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 1:08 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

"Everyone is raciss, but most too chickenshit to own up to it."

Yes Mince, very true.

You know what trumps racism tho? Being a part of something greater than skin.

Like, oh for example, being an American.

But no. We should all continue on the path of the NAACP, La Raza, and the KKK.

Sure, divide and conquor. Its so EASY and so much FUN.

*sigh

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 1:12 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Byte: No mention of the article, I see.

So glossing? Ig nore it, hope it goes away.

Cus, good Gaia!

Noone wants to actually talk about this. Black and Brown people being raciss? Why thats just bad karma.

God, would you fucking idiots open your eyes and deal with what is there? Im getting sick of leading you to water, hoping you will drink, only to have you turn your noses up at it!

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 1:12 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 1:12 PM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 1:19 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Everyone is raciss, but most too chickenshit to own up to it.

True. I hate white people.
Except for the good ones.

The laughing Chrisisall

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 1:22 PM

MINCINGBEAST

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Everyone is raciss, but most too chickenshit to own up to it.
True. I hate white people.
Except for the good ones.

I hate anyone I can get away with hating. But mostly, I hate people for their religion, and gender. Race comes in a distant third.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 1:26 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Ok, fair enough.

Its a play on pronunciation.

Those most likely to be screaming "racist" are generally not educated enough to pronounce it correctly.

Also, they are least likely to understand its true meaning, and to ignore the man-in-the-mirror, so to speak.

So, to cry "raciss", I would argue... you should first look in the mirror and see what you and yours are doing.

My own opinion, of course.

Is that why you CONSTANTLY misuse the word? Because you're uneducated, unintelligent, don't understand its meaning? HAVE YOU looked in the mirror to see what you and your tea-bagging friends are doing?

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 1:26 PM

KIRKULES

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Everyone is raciss, but most too chickenshit to own up to it.
True. I hate white people.
Except for the good ones.

You only hate white people because you know more of them, if you just got to know more of the other races you'd hate them just as much.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 1:33 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Kirkules:

You only hate white people because you know more of them, if you just got to know more of the other races you'd hate them just as much.

Actually, my REAL racism is towards carbon units, because, well, they're not true life forms...

The laughing Chrisisall

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 1:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Everyone is raciss, but most too chickenshit to own up to it."

Yes Mince, very true.

You know what trumps racism tho? Being a part of something greater than skin.

Like, oh for example, being an American.

I thought you wanted to deal with people as individuals, NOT lump them all into groups. So how is it that "American" trumps everything else, in your book?

Quote:

But no. We should all continue on the path of the NAACP, La Raza, and the KKK.

I thought you and Rand Paul were all about having the freedom to hang out and deal with only those people you wanted to hang out and deal with. Are you saying other races SHOULDN'T be able to do that?

Quote:

Sure, divide and conquor. Its so EASY and so much FUN.

*sigh

Is that a play on the spelling of "conquer"? Is it supposed to point out how dumb we all are, and how smart you are? It's not working.

Isn't "divide and conquer" your whole thing, though? Us and them, right and left ("Amen", you said, when O2B posted up his BS pic), Con and Lib, Hippie and "Not", "Patriots" and everyone else (who apparently includes everyone you disagree with, on anything at all), women and the men whose "property" they are?

Aren't you all about dividing us all into little groups, in the hopes that you'll be able to conquer us all, so hopefully one day YOUR group will be in power? Isn't that what you want? Haven't you said before (and implied, and hinted at) that a gun should decide who leads and who follows?

So where do you get off, imagining that you're somehow better than everyone else? Wanna be part of something greater than skin? Try joining the Human Race sometime. You might find that none of us are all that different, and we all bleed the same color.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 1:38 PM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Story! How nice of you to show up.

Now let me guess... you didnt read the link, did you.

Maybe you did? But have nothing to say about it.

Except to try and gloss over it with the whole "WULF is raciss cus I say hes raciss and Im not raciss cus Wulf is raciss!" spiel, that you always try.

Right?

As I said, it was just painfully obvious from the title who the post was from. Sorry that was hard for you to follow.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 1:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Byte: No mention of the article, I see.

So glossing? Ig nore it, hope it goes away.

Cus, good Gaia!

Noone wants to actually talk about this. Black and Brown people being raciss? Why thats just bad karma.

God, would you fucking idiots open your eyes and deal with what is there? Im getting sick of leading you to water, hoping you will drink, only to have you turn your noses up at it!

You seem to think that if some black or brown person is shown to be racist, it means white people can't be. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

And who is this "Noone" person you keep referring to? Peter Noone, the singer from Herman's Hermits? Could that be to whom you're referring?

"Deal with what is there". What? Someone pointing out that there is racism in the tea parties? It surprises me that you can see racism from any color EXCEPT white people, and can't see what's plainly in front of you at your beloved tea-bagging rallies.

Again, you're spending all your time lumping people into little categories, demonizing them so you can more easily hate them, hoping one day soon you'll have cause to shoot them all for all the evil that's been done to you.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 1:45 PM

CHRISISALL

Mike, Wulf is a goofball, like me but to a MUCH higher level. His brand of sarcasm & disdain for the status quo is hard to read, but it's there IMO.
Don't take him too serious is all.

(he baits a lot as well, like he's getting back at wulf-trappers or something

)

The laughing Chrisisall

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 1:56 PM

KIRKULES

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
(he baits a lot as well)

You think he sits around baits and watches "Ow My Balls".

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 2:07 PM

BYTEMITE

Alternative alternative titles:

Slow news day
Slow forum day
Wulf is very, VERY bored
Wulf insults everybody

It may be possible that blood just ain't comin' out of this brick, you know.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Monday, July 12, 2010 9:27 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

There is some weird mentality flying about the internet that if you mention race or racism, you are racist and that if you point out racism that you are experiencing, somehow you are to blame.

Very odd

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:59 AM

I'm still waiting for Wulfie to recognize the inherent hypocrisy of his own thread. He says "If you can't beat them, call them raciss," and then goes about calling several groups "raciss". So he's clearly saying he definitely can't beat them, and is happily engaging in the kind of behavior he seems to be railing against.

I just find that hilarious.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The funny thing is, I thought the thread was ABOUT Wulf! Seeing as he calls a LOT of people "raciss".

Wulf, you play the race card about 1000X more than anyone else around here. It shows up in nearly every gorram thread of yours, a topic YOU just can't seem to let go of! You care so much about it I suggest that if anyone here is a raciss... it's you.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:22 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Someone care to answer this question?

Why is it ok for one group/s to be racist, and not ok for another?

If Bush had come out in support of the Klan, people would have been falling all over themselves.

But M. Obama supports the NAACP, and there is a dead silence.

I guess, and this is just me, Im past being complacent in the blatant racism I see everyday. I will not be quiet about it and will instead, call it out whenever I see it.

Even if that means pointing out that... wait for it... black and brown people are just as, if not more, racist than any other group in this country.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:25 AM

KKK is a perfect equivalent to NAACP?

Really?

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
KKK is a perfect equivalent to NAACP?

Really?

Just look around on the Google, and you'll find hundreds of pictures of white people being lynched at NAACP rallies. That's why so many white Presidents go to speak to the annual NAACP meeting!

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:31 AM

Wulfie's just getting really, REALLY desperate, and casting about for ANY rationalization and justification for embracing his hatred of black and brown people. Hell, he married - er, I mean "Civil Union'd" - a Mexican girl just to make her his property, to show how much he owns her.

His personal philosophy seems to be "embRacism" - he actively embraces his racism, and insists it's okay, it's all good, because some other people are racist, too.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:56 AM

Kwicko,

the way I understand it, Wulf's philosophy toward racism is that you must ignore it and prove yourself against all odds because pointing out racism and demanding redress is asking for special treatment and constitutes its own kind of racism.

I find this philosophy misguided, but I do think it's separate from the actual racism Wulf displays on occasion.

I think it's the same blind spot that has him insisting that marriage is a religious institution so he can have an excuse to enforce his homophobia. He probably doesn't see himself as homophobic, but he's unable to separate what is rational and what is not.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:05 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Is not all racissm bad?

Examples:

BET

La Raza

The Black Panthers

Now I propose a question. What if someone were to start CET/AET?

Why is one ok, and the other is not? Why is one "acceptable" while the other is not?

If someone can answer that, coherrantly, precisley, and fairly (without too much snark), I would be grateful.

It is a question that bothers me everyday.

So have at it.

Oh, and Kwick, fuck you. I try really hard not to attack YOUR family members.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:25 AM

Quote:

Oh, and Kwick, fuck you. I try really hard not to attack YOUR family members.

Really? Why do you think that? Why do you think that when you just use big generalizations and racist comments and stereotypes that you're NOT insulting and attacking MY family members? Why would you believe that?

You're mad because I used YOUR OWN WORDS AND BELIEFS, as stated on this site, and used it to show who and what you really are? You've said that Mel Gibson was just mad that the mother of his latest child, the woman you referred to as "his property" was acting on her own, without his permission. You've said all sorts of derogatory things about "Mexi" people, as you call them (never mind that your wife is Mexican, as you've stated here). You've claimed that marriage is ONLY a religious institution, and I'm not religious, so you're not married, because I refuse to recognize it.

Where have I done anything wrong? I have Hispanic family members; I have black family members; I have gay and straight family members; I have male and female family members; I have "hippie" and conservative family members. You've attacked every single one of them at some point.

So when were you NOT attacking my family members?

The only way you can NOT attack my family members is to quit making your horrible generalizations based entirely on stereotypes that you hold in your head. You've never even TRIED to try doing that, so quit bullshitting about it; you know better, and it should be beneath you.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:33 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Are you going to answer the question I proposed?

Also, I would remind you of this: The groups I tend to put on the hot seat, have generally done it to me. Examples:

Feminism: NOW

Hippies/Vegans: According to them, Im a meat eating, gun-toting, sugar swilling, thug.

Blacks: Black Panthers, Nation of Islam

Mexicans: la Raza

Gays: Im homophobic for saying I agree with civil unions.

So, I give as good as I get, and sometimes better. A group wants to attack me for being part of a group? Ok I can do it right back, and will.

See, I guess the problem here is that I am not afflicted with white liberal guilt.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:37 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

What is the “all” you could say about the article, Wulf? Never mind, I already know, but the fact that they said “We're deeply concerned about elements that are trying to move the country back, trying to reverse progress that we've made” is perfectly legitimate. The Tea Party wants to go back to everything the way it was under Dumbya, which is reversal of progress. They want to go back to the time before the Civil Rights Act, that’s reversion. They want to go back to the time when you had to take a literacy test to vote; that’s reversion. All those things are progress, and going back to hose times is reversing every attempt to undo some of the things that were wrong in this country.

Agent summed it up in a nutshell:

Quote:
This "raciss" thing is getting really old. It seems like one of those evasion and obfuscation techniques neonazis teach their disciples to avoid talking about something substantial and having to, oh, face debate. The word "racism" exists because it describes a real concept. Trying to pretend the word away won't make people forget what reality it stands for. In fact, your apparent denial of the word only makes it seem all the more relevant.

You can call it racism to not want to revert to a time of the above things, but it IS what the Tea Hateriots are propounding. Those are times of racism, pure and simple.

Quote:
When you can't argue the truth, argue with the wording

Isn’t that exactly what you’re doing? You have nothing to actually SAY on the issue, offer no proof that there ISN’T an inherent racism in SOME of the Tea Hateriots or their positions, you just do your usual thing and pretend you’re somehow better than others.

How you figure that those who cry “racist” are “least likely to understand its true meaning” is beyond me. But then your beliefs are beyond me, too, they are so out of touch with reality. You think black and brown people don’t understand racism, when a large proportion of them have EXPERIENCED it themselves? That’s absurd. It’s those who want to return to Jim Crow laws and undo Civil Rights who have no concept of what racism is—they only know it as a word, not a reality, which it is.

This is just more of your usual bullshit, and should be treated as such. You are deliberately blind and unwilling to see the truth on some issues; there’s not enough proof in the entire world to make you see reality. That’s really all there is to say.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:37 AM

I think racism always bears the mark of excluding an externally defined group ( a "race") from full participation in society. (As compared to sexism where the excluded group is defined by gender, or homophobia where it's defined by sexual orientation.)

If that group then perceives that external boundary and its limitations and specifically adresses it, seeking redress to end existing discrimination... that doesn't seem like racism to me. It seems like a response to racism.

I see how it can seem unfair if the excluding factors are very deep-seated and structural, requiring special efforts to adress them that may engender the feeling of "reverse discrimination".

But this warrants the argument of whether actively alleviating the effects of discrimination - especially as widespread and thorough as racism has historically been - is justifiable or not. It does not warrant an immediate dismissal of the existence of such effects, or blaming the victims of such effects.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:41 AM

Quote:

Hippies/Vegans: According to them, Im a meat eating, gun-toting, sugar swilling, thug.

Again with the overly broad generalizations. I'm a hippie; I'm no vegan. Why do you lump them together? Some vegans are hippies, but by no means are all hippies vegan. There are gay tea-baggers; does that make all of you gay?

I'm a gun-toting, meat-eating, sugar-swilling hippie. So what's your point?

And again, you're playing the "us and them" game that you say you're so above. You claim you're only attacking THEM because they've attacked YOU. An eye for an eye, until the whole world is blind, right?

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:42 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Well, Agent did it again, summed it up in a nutshell. ANY form of discrimation is viewing the other group as "them" and depersonalizing, dehumanizing them, believing them to be "less than"--as evidenced in your remark about intelligence. Just as you have done with libs, hippies, anyone who cries "racism" for any reason whatsoever. Mirror, much?

Yes, I know, any form of mirror is beyond you as well. I'm sad for your need to always be right and deliberate blindness to facts, but that's how you want it, so fine.

As to your question, Wulf; discrimination (which includes racism) is bad, no matter who practices it, no matter what form it takes.

On the other side of what you listed is the John Birch Society, the KKK--for every part of society, there are extremists; that doesn't negate the rest of society or those who agree with aspects which those groups have taken to hateful extremes.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:45 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

By that rationale Agent,

I am owed lots of money. I am owed a position in a high paying job, I am owed a house, a car, and my own TV station. I deserve my own business, where I do not have to pay as high of a tax, AND.... while Im at it...I deserve to never be questioned/called out on my words regarding race.

Not only that, I demand to have every company make available option #3 on their phone sytems whereby people who speak Wulf can talk to customer service.

I am owed free healthcare, and my own security force.

See? i was the victim of real racism, the bloody kind, and it happened in MY lifetime (not hundreds of years ago).

So why dont you guys get to working on that? I'll wait.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:46 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Or, you can answer my question.

Actually, the question Nix, was NOT whether or not racism is bad, I think we can all agree that it is... but rather, why is one tolerated, while the other is not?

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:06 AM

Wulf,

by all means, take it up with those who have discriminated against you based on race.

I am sure you will have a fruitful discussion about whether racist discrimination against you has been so deep-seated and widespread in society as to deny you the personal tv station and high-paying hob that - apparently - every "brown or black" person has been given.

I do believe that the racism you experienced was mainly on an interpersonal level. I will not try to deny that it was brutal, undeserved and traumatizing, based on things you have mentioned in the past. I do, however, not think that it belongs into the same category as systematic, structural racism. It is equally wrong, but very different and requires a much different response than what you suggest.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:06 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

By the way, I took the time to do a post about the connections between Freedom Works and other groups financing Tea Party rallies...they all had connections to avowed racists, there’s simply no denying it. I'm not willing to take the time to do it all over again, but the connections are myriad and obvious. Also, whether many members of the Tea Party are racists or not (and I NEVER believed all of them are, just that the rhetoric and the leaders of those who finance the movement are), the White Supremacy groups are hoping to use them:

Quote:
Many white supremacists report planning to attend Tea Parties or already have and some are looking for a way to recruit into their White Nationalist movement.
Quote:
Ladies and gentlemen, I think every WN needs to not only attend the April 15th Tea Party nearest you but then stay involved and help provide leadership to this movement.

I believe that this is the white revolution we’ve been waiting for. It doesn’t look what we expected but this is it.

I’ve seen probably 50 videos on TV showing previous marches and what strikes me is that the participants are all WHITE

Quote:
I’ve attended a number of Tea Party events and run into too many who use words like “nigger” and “spic” and “fag” as part of their normal conversation. And while Tea Party organizers say they do not support or tolerate racism or bigotry, we have yet to see a single waver of signs using racial slurs escorted from a Tea Party event.

It's there; denying it is a way to avoid debating the actual issues, as Agent said. Your desperate need to deny it and your equally desperate need to grab onto anything to cry "reverse racism" is no better than what you claim others are doing.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:21 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

How do you figure that "owed" thing? Every citizen, whatever their race or sexuality, deserves the right to ACHIEVE all those things, and society should provide equal access to those things, but nowhere is there anything which means that any portion of society, whatever color, is "OWED" anything.

As to why one group is tolerated and the other is not...that's another of your loaded questions. If you wanted to frame it "IS one group tolerated and another not?" that would be a question. As it is, once again you have set up a situation which assumes something which is not true.

As to one group tolerated and another not, I don't think either is tolerated. Racist statements from black and brown people get TV coverage, I've seen it, and is detested when it comes up. What you're not taking into account is that there are few instances of minorities saying racist things, while the instances of words and behaviors which clearly show racism by whites is more numerous. What we hear most from people like the Tea Partiers is "reverse racism!" which is, again, a way of dodging specific issues and a buzz word phrase.

Neither one is tolerated, but what YOU view as tolerance is, as shown by your link, people expressing CONCERN over racism, it's not people EXPRESSING "racism".

But it's okay, Wulf:

for your desperate need to deny racism.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:23 AM

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

Ok, as folks are having trouble.. I'll help.

No, its not right.

Ok, AND, let talk insitutional racism for a sec, shall we?

Ive got an easy one.

Affirmative Action.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:25 AM

BYTEMITE

I don't think Agent said ANYTHING about reparations.

Do you think that anti-discrimination laws allow every person of colour to get "high paying job, I am owed a house, a car, and my own TV station. I deserve my own business, where I do not have to pay as high of a tax"?

Because anti-discrimination laws are not a blanket help-all for poor impoverished minority populations to get out of their situation, it is not reparations.

As you know, because you managed to claw your way out of there yourself, there is no such thing to help any of the people in your old community out, if they wanted to, they had to do it themselves. Most of them, I suspect, are still there, so what a difference anti-discrimination has made in their lives.

You might be able to argue that the increased competition made it more difficult for you to get out, I don't know all the circumstances of your life. But if you came from a community that the majority is people of colour, and you're white, and you had a crap ton of different race competition for jobs that would get you out, gee, it might be because of the demographics of your community more than the anti-discrimination laws.

As for this: "I deserve to never be questioned/called out on my words regarding race." I think they do, and I think people with an ax to grind like you make sure they do. So what's the problem again?

Quote:
I do believe that the racism you experienced was mainly on an interpersonal level. I will not try to deny that it was brutal, undeserved and traumatizing, based on things you have mentioned in the past. I do, however, not think that it belongs into the same category as systematic, structural racism. It is equally wrong, but very different and requires a much different response than what you suggest.

This.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:27 AM

HKCAVALIER

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Someone care to answer this question?

Why is it ok for one group/s to be racist, and not ok for another?

Wulfenstar,

I have an answer for your question, but it's kind of a rude answer. I presume a lot about your intentions and feelings, which isn't really pc, is it? Please, consider my words as feedback, just another person's honest perspective on what you're doing.

I don't see you being a hypocrite, so much as I see you revelling in either simplifying issues that are tremendously complex to make others look bad and/or turning around and complicating issues that are pretty simple to make people look stupid. Your sovereign goal is ridicule. You particularly enjoy fucking with things that other people care about. You get off on it.

And you're not alone. This is a major pastime on this forum. Insensitivity is cool.

A lot of your "racism" really amounts to racial insensitivity and you love it. You enjoy it even more if you can ridicule other people's racial sensitivity. I think you despise sensitivity really, and racism is just a means to that end. Most of all, you enjoy hurting other people's feelings. Which really isn't setting the bar very high, is it? That's about all you accomplish here, day in and day out, and that seems to be enough for you.

Quote:
If Bush had come out in support of the Klan, people would have been falling all over themselves.

But M. Obama supports the NAACP, and there is a dead silence.

That's like saying we're a racist country because we have a Holocaust museum in D.C. but we don't have a Hitler museum. Comparing the NAACP with the Klan isn't a rational argument, you can hardly expect anyone to take that comparison seriously, but that's not your intent, is it?

One of the toughest things every child in a family has to deal with is favoritism. In reality, parents do not love their children equally. A good parent will strive to do so, but at the end of the day, parents get along with some of their kids better than others. And it goes both ways, as children are bound to have an easier time with one parent than they have with the other. And yet, this simple and obvious fact of life is so taboo, folks spend years in therapy just to become aware of it. Ultimately, life isn't fair, our parents aren't fair, and if we can stand to be honest with ourselves, we aren't fair.

I think what you're doing here is projecting your feeling of not being the favorite child onto race relations in this country. Blacks represent the favorite child, the one who gets all the breaks, the one who gets special treats, the one who gets visits and phone calls, and whites are you, the child who never got his due, who worked hard, who achieved and got no recognition. Black people are like the handicapped child who gets all kinds of care and love that the able bodied child never gets. Life isn't fair.

Conversely, I think a lot of racial sensitivity comes out of folks feeling guilty for being the favorite child in society. I think you're acutely aware of that. They feel like they've gotten unfair advantages and so, discount their own needs in favor of the less fortunate. You hate such people most of all.

Quote:
I guess, and this is just me, Im past being complacent in the blatant racism I see everyday. I will not be quiet about it and will instead, call it out whenever I see it.

If we substitute "favoritism" for "racism" the sentence reads: "I guess, and this is just me, I'm past being complacent in the blatant favoritism I see everyday. I will not be quiet about it and will instead, call it out whenever I see it." But when it's put that way, it isn't noble, it isn't a cry for justice, it's just envy. And don't ever try to tell such a child that he is better off in any way than the "favorite" child. He will hate you for it. Blacks as a group may have many, many disadvantages as compared to whites, but the issue isn't economics, it's love. Wulf sees them as being loved without having to earn any of it, they're loved just because they've suffered, while he knows he's suffered too, but he's had to fight for every scrap of recognition he's ever gotten.

Quote:
Even if that means pointing out that... wait for it... black and brown people are just as, if not more, racist than any other group in this country.

It actually is ok for you to be racist, Wulf. No one is gonna stop you, except maybe yourself.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:33 AM