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Still haven't seen an honest reply to the question posed.

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Still haven't seen an honest reply to the question posed.

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How do I prove Im NOT racist?

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Originally posted by peacekeeper:
I don't think it's a case of intellect, Kwicko.I think it is more sensible to say, "I am human, and thus by my very nature, I am prone to discrimination against others who don't follow my way of thinking". What will make us a more progressive human is to understand that life flows easier if we just keep those opinions to ourselves and carry on with our own way of life and let them do theirs.We can all try to lessen the offense we cause other people, but it will never ever change the fact that we will still privately discriminate.

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I am not, nor should you. Black people are the most racist on earth. They never talk about the nations good...It is always about the black community. Show me one other race that is that self absorbed. They are the true racist. They look out only for blacks and care nothing about others. I find the Black music awards and the thousands of other racist thingys...Hilarious


And I still say...Show me one black culture that has moved beyond barbarism..

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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Kane, whether one group has had the right combination of geographic good fortune, and social pressure, to move past barbarism is not on point. It is, however, an echo of the white man's burden.

Condemning african civilization for its relative lack of development (which colonialism must play some role in) does nothing to further a frank discussion about hereditary differences and our racial hang ups.

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Dear Mr. Lincoln

We Colored People have taken a vote and decided that we don't cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!

In fact we held a big meeting and took a vote in Kansas City this week. We voted to condemn a political revival of that old abolitionist spirit called the 'tea party movement'.

The tea party position to "end the bailouts" for example is just silly. Bailouts are just big money welfare and isn't that what we want all Coloreds to strive for? What kind of racist would want to end big money welfare? What they need to do is start handing the bail outs directly to us coloreds! Of course, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is the only responsible party that should be granted the right to disperse the funds.

And the ridiculous idea of "reduce[ing] the size and intrusiveness of government." What kind of massa would ever not want to control my life? As Coloreds we must have somebody care for us otherwise we would be on our own, have to think for ourselves and make decisions!

The racist tea parties also demand that the government "stop the out of control spending." Again, they directly target Colored People. That means we Colored People would have to compete for jobs like everybody else and that is just not right.

Perhaps the most racist point of all in the tea parties is their demand that government "stop raising our taxes." That is outrageous! How will we Colored People ever get a wide screen TV in every room if non-coloreds get to keep what they earn? Totally racist! The tea party expects coloreds to be productive members of society?

Mr. Lincoln, you were the greatest racist ever. We had a great gig. Three squares, room and board, all our decisions made by the massa in the house. Please repeal the 13th and 14th Amendments and let us get back to where we belong.

Sincerely

Precious Ben Jealous, Tom's Nephew National Association for the Advancement of Colored People Head Colored Person

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Niki,

You can post all the pics and links you want, but all the circumstantial, suspect and irrelevant "evidence" you toss out, there's still nothing that ties the Tea Party and its platform to anything remotely being " racist ".


Leave the true racism to the professionals....

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Of course, Tea Party figurehead and totally not-racist Mark Williams responded to charges of racism.... with a big old racist screed.

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Dear Mr. Lincoln

We Colored People have taken a vote and decided that we don't cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!

In fact we held a big meeting and took a vote in Kansas City this week. We voted to condemn a political revival of that old abolitionist spirit called the 'tea party movement'.

The tea party position to "end the bailouts" for example is just silly. Bailouts are just big money welfare and isn't that what we want all Coloreds to strive for? What kind of racist would want to end big money welfare? What they need to do is start handing the bail outs directly to us coloreds! Of course, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is the only responsible party that should be granted the right to disperse the funds.

And the ridiculous idea of "reduce[ing] the size and intrusiveness of government." What kind of massa would ever not want to control my life? As Coloreds we must have somebody care for us otherwise we would be on our own, have to think for ourselves and make decisions!

The racist tea parties also demand that the government "stop the out of control spending." Again, they directly target Colored People. That means we Colored People would have to compete for jobs like everybody else and that is just not right.

Perhaps the most racist point of all in the tea parties is their demand that government "stop raising our taxes." That is outrageous! How will we Colored People ever get a wide screen TV in every room if non-coloreds get to keep what they earn? Totally racist! The tea party expects coloreds to be productive members of society?

Mr. Lincoln, you were the greatest racist ever. We had a great gig. Three squares, room and board, all our decisions made by the massa in the house. Please repeal the 13th and 14th Amendments and let us get back to where we belong.

Sincerely

Precious Ben Jealous, Tom's Nephew National Association for the Advancement of Colored People Head Colored Person

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Now, I don't think ALL tea parties are racists - but a lot of them are, and if the rank and file are comfortable putting open racists up as their leaders, they don't get to whine when people assume they share the views of those they allow to speak on their behalf.



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BTW- some of my best friends are white, and I married a white dude, so I guess I'm not a racist either.

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I can post dozens of studies that support my claim. Scientists have always struggled with publishing their findings racial differences

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Originally posted by peacekeeper:I've just given an honest reply. Fact of the matter is, you can't. Because to try and prove otherwise would be a lie!!And when I say "you",I mean "anybody".

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Originally posted by peacekeeper:I've just given an honest reply. Fact of the matter is, you can't. Because to try and prove otherwise would be a lie!!And when I say "you",I mean "anybody".

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Discrimination and racism aren't synonymous. They have different meanings.

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Originally posted by peacekeeper:Semantics Rappy!!. And pedantic on your part.

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I can post dozens of studies that support my claim. Scientists have always struggled with publishing their findings racial differences

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Go for it. As I understood it (and read recently) most scientists regard racial theories as unsupported.

Remember civilisation is a type of culture, as is barbarism... Do you have proof that genetics is a factor (and the predominant one)? Specifically have there been genes identified for intelligence/compassion/whatever you deem necessary to civilisation, that are missing in black people?

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I thought you were Hungarian(?) - just on one side of the family...?

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This was published in the wall street journal...that's a lot of names


http://www.cpsimoes.net/artigos/bell_mainstr.html

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Nothing semantical about it , in the least. Far too often , folks will use the wrong words, lumping them in together with a usual suspects, so as to try to multiply their impact, when all they're doing is repeating crap their heard others say, while not actually thinking about what it is they're saying.

Like when folks say ATM machine, when ATM itself stands for Automatic Teller Machine.

THINK about what it is you're saying.

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Nothing semantical about it , in the least. Far too often , folks will use the wrong words, lumping them in together with a usual suspects, so as to try to multiply their impact, when all they're doing is repeating crap their heard others say, while not actually thinking about what it is they're saying.

Like when folks say ATM machine, when ATM itself stands for Automatic Teller Machine.

THINK about what it is you're saying.

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The whole "Tea Party is Racist" this is an absurd propagandistic position. The goal is to discourage good sane people from joining the tea party.

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Personally, I'm more concerned that corporate corruption is creeping into the Tea Party, and should be nipped in the bud.

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KaneyCheney: Keep going - you said you could provide DOZENS of studies. Let's see 'em. Post 'em all up, all the dozens you can find!

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kpo, You must be kidding. Start here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

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"Several culturally-based explanations of the Black/White IQ differential have been proposed; some are plausible, but so far none has been conclusively supported. There is even less empirical support for a genetic interpretation. In short, no adequate explanation of the differential between the IQ means of Blacks and Whites is presently available."

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"A 2005 literature review article on the links between race and intelligence in American Psychologist stated that no gene has been shown to be linked to intelligence, "so attempts to provide a compelling genetic link of race to intelligence are not feasible at this time".[98] Several candidate genes have been proposed to have a relationship with intelligence.[99][100] However, a review of candidate genes for intelligence published in 2009 by Deary et al. failed to find evidence of an association between these genes and general intelligence, stating "there is still almost no replicated evidence concerning the individual genes, which have variants that contribute to intelligence differences".[69]"

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"...compare the lower IQ results of other discriminated minorities around the world, many of whom are of the same genetic stock.

Perhaps the most dramatic example is the Northern Irish. Even though they come from the same ethnic group, Catholics (the discriminated minority) score 15 points lower on IQ tests than Protestants."

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Criticism
In addition to the funding and the connections to persons and organizations mentioned above, there are reported links between various past contributors to the science journal Mankind Quarterly, which receives funding from Pioneer, and Nazism. Italian biologist and Mankind Quarterly associate editor Corrado Gini authored an article titled "The Scientific Basis of Fascism" and was once a scientific advisor to Italian leader Benito Mussolini. The editorial board member Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer was Josef Mengele's mentor before and during the Holocaust and is suspected of being his collaborator.[25][26][27] The already mentioned Roger Pearson was a former editor.


Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer, circa 1920s–1940s, measures twin girls as part of an anthropometric study of heredity.The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a nonprofit organization, lists the Pioneer Fund as a hate group citing the fund's history, its funding of race and intelligence research, and its connections with allegedly racist individuals.[24][28]

The Center for New Community, a human rights advocacy organization, mentioned the Pioneer Fund in an article on their website. They characterize the Pioneer Fund as "a white supremacist foundation that specializes in funding 'science' dedicated to demonstrating white intellectual and moral superiority." They draw particular attention to Rushton's theories about differences between races as evidence of the racial slant which they claim accompanies much of the research which is backed by the Fund.[29]

In accord with the tax regulations governing nonprofit corporations, Pioneer does not fund individuals; under the law only other nonprofit organizations are appropriate grantees. As a consequence, many of the fund's awards go not to the researchers themselves but to the universities that employ them, a standard procedure for supporting work by academically based scientists. In addition to these awards to the universities where its grantees are based, Pioneer has made a number of grants to other nonprofit organizations, corporations some feel have been created to channel resources to a particular academic recipient while circumventing the institution where the researcher is employed.[30][31]

In 2002, William H. Tucker criticized the Pioneer's grant-funding techniques:

Pioneer's administrative procedures are as unusual as its charter. Although the fund typically gives away more than half a million dollars per year, there is no application form or set of guidelines. Instead, according to Weyher, an applicant merely submits "a letter containing a brief description of the nature of the research and the amount of the grant requested." There is no requirement for peer review of any kind; Pioneer's board of directors—two attorneys, two engineers, and an investment broker—decides, sometimes within a day, whether a particular research proposal merits funding. Once the grant has been made, there is no requirement for an interim or final report or even for an acknowledgment by a grantee that Pioneer has been the source of support, all atypical practices in comparison to other organizations that support scientific research.[30]

Rushton, the current head, has spoken at conferences of the American Renaissance (AR) magazine, in which he has also published articles.[32] Anti-racist Searchlight Magazine described one such AR conference as a "veritable 'who's who' of American white supremacy."[33]

The Pioneer Fund was described by the London Sunday Telegraph (March 12, 1989) as a "neo-Nazi organization closely integrated with the far right in American politics." It has also been criticized by some scientists and journalists, and in various peer-reviewed academic articles.[34] Critics of the fund include the SPLC, IQ critic William H. Tucker, and historian Barry Mehler and his Institute for the Study of Academic Racism.

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kpo, You must be kidding. Start here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

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With a wikipedia article that is both factually disputed, and accused of systemic bias, hmm. And the article you cut and pasted underneath was not the wikipedia article. Post opinion pieces if you want but please cite them.

I note again the scientific concensus, from one of the links in the wiki article(4):

"Several culturally-based explanations of the Black/White IQ differential have been proposed; some are plausible, but so far none has been conclusively supported. There is even less empirical support for a genetic interpretation. In short, no adequate explanation of the differential between the IQ means of Blacks and Whites is presently available."

Particularly lacking is what I specifically asked for, a proven genetic link to all your racial theories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence#Molecular_genetics

"A 2005 literature review article on the links between race and intelligence in American Psychologist stated that no gene has been shown to be linked to intelligence, "so attempts to provide a compelling genetic link of race to intelligence are not feasible at this time".[98] Several candidate genes have been proposed to have a relationship with intelligence.[99][100] However, a review of candidate genes for intelligence published in 2009 by Deary et al. failed to find evidence of an association between these genes and general intelligence, stating "there is still almost no replicated evidence concerning the individual genes, which have variants that contribute to intelligence differences".[69]"

So in the absence of strong genetic evidence, what do you have? Data on behaviour and intelligence that cannot be totally separated from culture and environment. This would be why science on the whole is sceptical of your position.

As I pointed out to you before, culture has a large (and long established) effect, remember this article on 'minority culture' I posted before? http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-inferiorIQ.htm

"...compare the lower IQ results of other discriminated minorities around the world, many of whom are of the same genetic stock.

Perhaps the most dramatic example is the Northern Irish. Even though they come from the same ethnic group, Catholics (the discriminated minority) score 15 points lower on IQ tests than Protestants."

One last point, a commentary on some of the scientists pursuing the racial research (their names pop up frequently throughout your articles), and the Pioneer fund that supports them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_Fund#Criticism

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In addition to the funding and the connections to persons and organizations mentioned above, there are reported links between various past contributors to the science journal Mankind Quarterly, which receives funding from Pioneer, and Nazism. Italian biologist and Mankind Quarterly associate editor Corrado Gini authored an article titled "The Scientific Basis of Fascism" and was once a scientific advisor to Italian leader Benito Mussolini. The editorial board member Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer was Josef Mengele's mentor before and during the Holocaust and is suspected of being his collaborator.[25][26][27] The already mentioned Roger Pearson was a former editor.


Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer, circa 1920s–1940s, measures twin girls as part of an anthropometric study of heredity.The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a nonprofit organization, lists the Pioneer Fund as a hate group citing the fund's history, its funding of race and intelligence research, and its connections with allegedly racist individuals.[24][28]

The Center for New Community, a human rights advocacy organization, mentioned the Pioneer Fund in an article on their website. They characterize the Pioneer Fund as "a white supremacist foundation that specializes in funding 'science' dedicated to demonstrating white intellectual and moral superiority." They draw particular attention to Rushton's theories about differences between races as evidence of the racial slant which they claim accompanies much of the research which is backed by the Fund.[29]

In accord with the tax regulations governing nonprofit corporations, Pioneer does not fund individuals; under the law only other nonprofit organizations are appropriate grantees. As a consequence, many of the fund's awards go not to the researchers themselves but to the universities that employ them, a standard procedure for supporting work by academically based scientists. In addition to these awards to the universities where its grantees are based, Pioneer has made a number of grants to other nonprofit organizations, corporations some feel have been created to channel resources to a particular academic recipient while circumventing the institution where the researcher is employed.[30][31]

In 2002, William H. Tucker criticized the Pioneer's grant-funding techniques:

Pioneer's administrative procedures are as unusual as its charter. Although the fund typically gives away more than half a million dollars per year, there is no application form or set of guidelines. Instead, according to Weyher, an applicant merely submits "a letter containing a brief description of the nature of the research and the amount of the grant requested." There is no requirement for peer review of any kind; Pioneer's board of directors—two attorneys, two engineers, and an investment broker—decides, sometimes within a day, whether a particular research proposal merits funding. Once the grant has been made, there is no requirement for an interim or final report or even for an acknowledgment by a grantee that Pioneer has been the source of support, all atypical practices in comparison to other organizations that support scientific research.[30]

Rushton, the current head, has spoken at conferences of the American Renaissance (AR) magazine, in which he has also published articles.[32] Anti-racist Searchlight Magazine described one such AR conference as a "veritable 'who's who' of American white supremacy."[33]

The Pioneer Fund was described by the London Sunday Telegraph (March 12, 1989) as a "neo-Nazi organization closely integrated with the far right in American politics." It has also been criticized by some scientists and journalists, and in various peer-reviewed academic articles.[34] Critics of the fund include the SPLC, IQ critic William H. Tucker, and historian Barry Mehler and his Institute for the Study of Academic Racism.

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If they constantly have IQ's lower than whites and Asians all over the world. How can it be anything other than genetics. Environment has been debunked. White poor inbred hillbillies still have a higher IQ. Read the post about what it takes to move out of Africa and shun gratification. It only makes sense that whites and Asians are smarter. And all the data proves this. I say it's genetic...You say what exactly? Are they lazy, is it my fault, or is it Bush's fault? Or are you going to tow the "it's years of oppression" line. That may sound plausible here in America, however there is a whole world of dumb blacks....Well, it's true........
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Now go back and proofread yourself. THINK about what you're typing. If you're going to lecture others on words and claim that words matter, you really should see to your own house first. Your posts are generally a word salad of unrelated and incorrect wording ("a usual suspects", "what so ever", "crap their heard others say", etc.).

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Texas County Official Sees Race in Term 'Black Hole'



DALLAS — What do "black hole," "angel food cake," and "devil's food cake" have in common?

They're all racist terms, says a Dallas County, Texas, official.

A county commissioners' meeting this week over traffic tickets turned into a tense discussion over race when one commissioner said the county's collections office was like a certain astronomical phenomenon.

"It sounds like Central Collections has become a black hole," Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said during the Monday meeting.

One black official demanded an apology, and Commissioner John Wiley Price, who also is black, said that type of language is unacceptable.

At the meeting, Mayfield said he intended his comments to be taken in the context of the scientific meaning, and became upset that he was being misunderstood.

In astronomy, the term black hole refers to a star that has collapsed upon itself, creating something so dense and small that it does not have any physical properties besides a gravitational force so great that even light cannot escape its pull.

Later, Price told MyFOXdfw.com that he believed it and other terms were racist.
"So if it's 'angel food cake,' it's white. If it's 'devil's food cake,' it's black. If you're the 'black sheep of the family,' then you gotta be bad, you know. 'White sheep,' you're okay. You know?" Price said.

Price said people should watch their words when it comes to stereotypes.

"I think people should always be careful. You know, I'm okay if I'm 'bartering' with you. ... But if I try to 'Jew you down,' Oooooh. Is that racist? I thought it meant the same thing? No, maybe it doesn't."

The world-renowned physicist Stephen Hawking might have a solution to the problem over perception of the astronomical term. He refers to the phenomenon as "a singularity." [/quo

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Those too cowardly to discuss ideas, and instead fuss over typos and grammatical errors on message boards only go to show just how juvenile their are, as well as how intellectually vacant are their arguments.

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The phony "racist" label the naaLcp wants to place on the Tea Party is worse than crying wolf. The race baiters have sadly resorted to this sort of nonsense as a means of dismissing any argument they don't agree with and can't argue against.

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We are all, in some form or another, INHERENTLY RACIST.

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What makes us progressive and more intelligent than the overt proponents of this, is to accept our failings and ATTEMPT to reconcile those thoughts with some enlightened civility.I use the word "Discriminatory" simply because it sounds less offensive.So I am saying that I probably accept that I am a racist, but I don't like it and try to compensate by applying some educated logic and reason so as to not offend my fellow man.So yes, you are being pedantic and my argument still stands. As for using the "Redundant noun" argument(ATM), I fail to see the relevance. We all do that as well. It is purely a technical point on English grammar. It has nothing to do with this argument.As I said,INVALID.
You cannot prove that you are not a racist OR discriminatory. Because all of us are both. We can only TRY to temper ourselves so as to achieve self awareness and compromise on that fact. Now does THAT answer your original question?

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Perhaps what I am really trying to say is that we are all discriminatory on a racial level to a certain degree.
Any middle ground here, Rappy?


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