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More REAL world: June warmest on record

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Saturday, July 17, 2010 9:00 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Warmest June on record, climate scientists say

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100715/ap_on_sc/us_sci_hot_month

"Climategate" debunked

www.salon.com/news/global_warming/?story=/opinion/conason/2010/07/08/c
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Sunday, July 18, 2010 6:37 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Interesting that coldest winters do not disprove climate change, but warmest months do prove climate change.

As to Climategate, most of the news relating to it that I was was not about falsifying data, but about climate change supporters planning to stonewall their opponents by refusing to peer-review their papers and keeping them from being published. We discussed this here earlier this year.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 6:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Maybe Greenland will actually be ... GREEN again ?

Maybe they'll start growing wine in England, again.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 6:48 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Climate change isn't about Winter or Summer, it's about EXTREMES, or hadn't you heard that?

The ACTUAL joke is that climate-change deniers DID try to use the extreme Winters to say "Global warming, eh? How about THIS?!" when the extreme Winter temperatures DO relate to climate change.

And no, I'm not going to debate you, just offering information. I understand wlimate change is impossible to debate with deniers.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 7:06 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Maybe Greenland will actually be ... GREEN again ?

Maybe they'll start growing wine in England, again.

Actualy, We've had Vinyards in England for some time (you dont "grow Wine" Rapty, or have'nt you heard). The climate is merely tilting back to the way it was a thousand or so years ago.
That's about 750 years before the U.S. started having a "History".

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 7:22 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Yes. Wine is made from grapes that are grown.

But the climate is doing what it normally does....going about its own business, and no legislation or energy bill will change that fact, one iota.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 7:30 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Based on the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age, I observe that the world warms and cools at intervals.

I don't doubt that our transformation of the world into a suitable human habitat has an effect on climate, but I suspect it's rather like pushing a cart as it rolls downhill.

I advocate alternative, renewable, and clean energy for reasons that have everything to do with freedom and finance and good health, and nothing to do with the temperature of the planet.

I think more people should argue for change based on the immediately provable benefits of alternative, renewable, clean resources and conservation.

Whether or not global warming exists or is helped or caused by man has nothing to do with my desire to save woodlands or install solar panels on my roof.

--Anthony

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 9:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Well, you're wrong. People are having an effect on the climate, just like we're having an effect on topsoil, on ocean pH and temperature, etc.

Deniers will continue to deny even in the face of data, but the data is there, and in time will be undeniable.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 9:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Well, you're wrong. People are having an effect on the climate, just like we're having an effect on topsoil, on ocean pH and temperature, etc.

Deniers will continue to deny even in the face of data, but the data is there, and in time will be undeniable.

Fixed or phony data doesn't count. Sorry.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 9:43 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

I said: "I don't doubt that our transformation of the world into a suitable human habitat has an effect on climate"

Signy said: "Well, you're wrong. People are having an effect on the climate"

Hello,

I am confused.

--Anthony

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 9:55 AM

BYTEMITE

Think she misread you, Anthony.

There are a number of things that are pretty serious, and human caused.

Global warming I think is human caused and measurable within the past few decades, but historically speaking based on paleoclimate geology data, not necessarily a doomsday scenario. I think people are discrediting themselves by sensationalizing the science, most likely for political reasons (on both sides).

I think the biggest concerns associated with it will be stronger storms and potential agricultural damages due to drought. If ice is melting at the poles, it's a 20 meter rise, but it's also not going to happen all at once. Ocean thermal expansion is perhaps a bigger concern than pole melt, but that also isn't immediate.

Though I do think, on people's own time, it's probably smart in general to start switching over to sustainable, efficient, and self-sufficient technology.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 9:57 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Maybe Greenland will actually be ... GREEN again ?

Maybe they'll start growing wine in England, again.

Honestly, folks, talking with Rappy about this stuff is like arguing with Sarah Palin about Jesus walking with dinosaurs. Rappy's a Flat Earther, a New Earth Creationist when it comes to climate change. He actually BELIEVES Greenland was named Greenland because it was green, and doesn't get that the ice cap covering more than 80% of Greenland is hundreds of thousands of years old. That's right; the ice cap covering Greenland predates by hundreds of thousands of years the naming of Greenland. In similar shocking news, it's been discovered that New Mexico isn't really all that new.

As for "growing" wine, that's at least as dumb a statement as anything ever uttered by Sheila Jackson Lee... I hear they grow a lot of nice furniture up in the Pennsylvania Dutch Country, too. ;)

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yes, you did Anthony, and my reasons are the same as yours for wanting renewable energy. I'm on the fence about climate change being caused by humans, leaning more toward believing it is but not convinced. Given we have polluted the land, air, water and just about everything else, it's certainly possible, to me. Given we're managing to change the OCEAN, the biggest part of our little blue marble, I think our effects might well affect anything.

Either way, we're screwing this place up, have been since the dawn of man, and I don't see that changing in my lifetime, if ever.

Eh, Mike, growing wine is a misstatement, nothing more, and an unsurprising one, anyone could make that mistake. "Produce wine", "grow grapes", whatever...

But yeah, I got a kick out of it when I was a kid and a teacher said "Greenland is actually covered with ice; Iceland is actually green". I forget where the names came from; betcha one of our more educated folk will come up with it.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:04 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Greenland was once green, and Kwickie isn't dumb enough to dispute that.

(well, yeah, he is )

A few hundred thousand years is but a few moments on the geologic time scale.

T.Rex was real

Man made global climate change isn't.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:53 AM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Greenland was once green, and Kwickie isn't dumb enough to dispute that.

(well, yeah, he is )

A few hundred thousand years is but a few moments on the geologic time scale.

Oh, Greenland WAS green. It was just a few million years ago. And nobody was around to name it "Greenland" then. You don't seem to get that, because you really are just that ignorant. When Greenland was named GREENLAND, it wasn't green. It was more than 80% covered with an ice cap. You're the only one here who's dumb enough to dispute that.

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T.Rex was real

Well maybe it was T. Rex that named it "Greenland", eh, fuckwit?

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:57 AM

KWICKO

Quote:
Eh, Mike, growing wine is a misstatement, nothing more, and an unsurprising one, anyone could make that mistake. "Produce wine", "grow grapes", whatever...

It's a misstatement, and a very dumb one.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:39 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Not " a few million " years ago, but as recent is a few hundred thousand years.

Big difference, pin head.

Doesn't matter that no one was 'round to name it, brainless. It was once green with temperate zone flora and fauna. ( plants and animals, for you )

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:42 AM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not " a few million " years ago, but as recent is a few hundred thousand years.

Big difference, pin head.

Doesn't matter that no one was 'round to name it, brainless. It was once green with temperate zone flora and fauna. ( plants and animals, for you

Well, it kinda DOES matter if someone was around to name it, if your original point was that it was called Greenland because it was GREEN. Nobody called it that when it was green, and when it was named that, it wasn't green.

But congratulations on missing the point entirely, dolt. For an alleged "skeptic", you really are amazingly dumb.

Why don't you go grow some more wine? ;)

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 12:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Well, it kinda DOES matter if someone was around to name it, if your original point was that it was called Greenland because it was GREEN. Nobody called it that when it was green, and when it was named that, it wasn't green.

Nope. That was never my original point. You have reading comprehension issues. As well as a taste for lying and adding words to your own posts,... but we've been over that.

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But congratulations on missing the point entirely, dolt. For an alleged "skeptic", you really are amazingly dumb.

Missing what point ? The phony one you tried to introduce ? That point ? Hell yeah, I'll miss that, because it doesn't remotely apply here.

You don't really know what the word " skeptic " means, do you ?

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 12:20 PM

KWICKO

In RappyWorld™, "skeptic" seems to mean agreeing with every single word Rush says, or the Republican Tea Party tells you. That's your version of "skepticism".

As for altering posts and editing them, that's all on you, and in your heart you know it.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 12:21 PM

KWICKO

Oh, and thanks for proving my point, that Greenland was never called Greenland because it was green.

I accept your apology. Maybe you can grow me a bottle of wine to make up for it. ;)

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 12:26 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Since you're too stupid to figure it out, all I said was that maybe Greenland will actually BE green again.

Moron.

Now, you apologize to me, and everyone else, for being such a monumental idiot.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 12:48 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Since you're too stupid to figure it out, all I said was that maybe Greenland will actually BE green again.

Moron.

Now, you apologize to me, and everyone else, for being such a monumental idiot.

And MY point was that Greenland was never CALLED Greenland because it was green, and it was never green during the time it was CALLED Greenland. You're too stupid to figure that out. It's not that Greenland will "BE green again" - it's that Greenland will finally BE green, for the first time in recorded history.

You know the Sahara wasn't always a desert, too, right?

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:07 PM

RAHLMACLAREN

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

Doesn't Greenland have a very small narrow strip of green on the southern tip?

Maybe the Vikings named it after that.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:27 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Greenland was once green, and may very well be again.

Only a complete and total imbecile could not understand that point.

Like Kwickie.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:49 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Greenland was once green, and may very well be again.

Only a complete and total imbecile could not understand that point.

Like Kwickie.

Greenland has never been a green and temperate land in any of the time it has been called "Greenland". To say that "Greenland will be green again" is a false statement, since "GREENLAND" has never been green in any of the time it's been named GREENLAND. You can say that "Greenland will *finally* be green, and live up to the name it was falsely given all those years ago."

Only a complete and total imbecile could fail to comprehend that.

Like Rappy.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:54 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

No, Greenland was NOT EVER green in recorded history.

Quote:
. The name Greenland comes from the early Scandinavian settlers. In the Icelandic sagas, it is said that Norwegian-born Erik the Red was exiled from Iceland for murder. He, along with his extended family and thralls, set out in ships to find a land rumoured to lie to the northwest. After settling there, he named the land Grœnland ("Greenland"), supposedly in the hope that the pleasant name would attract settlers.

It was called "greenland" as a form of advertising... false advertising, I might add. The Inuit who lived in "greenland" were whale and seal hunters, not farmers. Only the Norse attempted farming, and even then only in two settlements along the southern coast.

Really, Rappy, I don't where where you get your "facts" from, but you seem to pull them out of your ass sometimes.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 2:18 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Greenland has never been a green and temperate land in any of the time it has been called "Greenland".

Doesn't matter, one iota.

You're making a strawman argument.

Quote:
To say that "Greenland will be green again" is a false statement, since "GREENLAND" has never been green in any of the time it's been named GREENLAND.

Repeating yourself won't make you any less wrong.

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You can say that "Greenland will *finally* be green, and live up to the name it was falsely given all those years ago."

No, I can say what ever the hell I want, because Greenland will likely be green once again.

Quote:

Only a complete and total imbecile could fail to comprehend that.

Like Rappy.

There you go again, acting like a 6 year old, and simply repeating back what's been already said, because you lack the intellectual skills to think for yourself.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 2:20 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Sig,

Why are you following the idiocy of Kwickie here?

Doesn't matter that man didn't name a section of Earth until this or that point, the area which is called 'Greenland' today was once green.

That's an undeniable fact.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 2:34 PM

RAHLMACLAREN

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
No, Greenland was NOT EVER green in recorded history.
Quote:
. The name Greenland comes from the early Scandinavian settlers. In the Icelandic sagas, it is said that Norwegian-born Erik the Red was exiled from Iceland for murder. He, along with his extended family and thralls, set out in ships to find a land rumoured to lie to the northwest. After settling there, he named the land Grœnland ("Greenland"), supposedly in the hope that the pleasant name would attract settlers.
It was called "greenland" as a form of advertising... false advertising, I might add. The Inuit who lived in "greenland" were whale and seal hunters, not farmers. Only the Norse attempted farming, and even then only in two settlements along the southern coast.

SignyM, you forgot the last part of the intro.

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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Greenland was also called Gruntland ("Ground-land") and Engronelant (or Engroneland) on early maps. Whether green is an erroneous transcription of grunt ("ground"), which refers to shallow bays, or vice versa, is not known. The southern portion of Greenland (not covered by glaciers) is green in the summer.

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 3:01 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sig,

Why are you following the idiocy of Kwickie here?

Doesn't matter that man didn't name a section of Earth until this or that point, the area which is called 'Greenland' today was once green.

That's an undeniable fact.

Well, fuck... by that rationale, you could call Antarctica Greenland; you could call Arizona the Pacific Ocean. You could call Mount Everest the bottom of the sea! You can even call it the Sahara Forest!

Oh, I'm sorry - you could call them all those things AGAIN. ;)

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Sunday, July 18, 2010 9:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Sig, Why are you following the idiocy of Kwickie here? Doesn't matter that man didn't name a section of Earth until this or that point, the area which is called 'Greenland' today was once green. That's an undeniable fact.

RAPPY, RALPH: The island that was (and still is) called Greenland has been for the most part covered by glaciers for hundreds of thousands of years. A SMALL part in the south is green for three months. Deniers say

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Maybe Greenland will actually be ... GREEN again ?

The implication is clear that they (Rappy) believe that Greenland was once green, and therefore to see the glaciers melt is all within "normal variation".

THWACK!

Sit up and pay attention, boys! What science says is

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The Greenland ice sheet has existed for at least 400,000 years.

"Greenland" has not been green for a long, long time. A glacier has covered 80% of "Greenland" since before the last ice age. Since before humans even existed.

Now if you have to reach back THAT far to find a comparable event; and the current event has come about very suddenly and not in an expected sequence, it would take a massive case of denial not to consider the fact that maybe man had something to do with precipitating the event.

Rappy, you have been proven wrong time and time again. Don't you think it's time that you gave up on your "sources", who are clearly feeding you a line of hogwash?

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Saturday, August 7, 2010 6:09 PM

RAHLMACLAREN

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

*posting nearly 3 weeks late* (I do that.)

*enters the RWED in a Battle Fortress Tank, covered with fire and acid to ward off the troll infestation*

[overly dramatic]
Ralph? Really? I choose to question and seek truth, and I get a pet name? From you? Seriously?
[/mock indignation]

Ok, it wasn't that bad.

Ugh. SignyM, I've always been taught that Greenland was 99.99% [read: mostly] ICE, and the rest was not.

First you said:

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No, Greenland was NOT EVER green in recorded history.

Then, after my posts, it was:

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A glacier has covered 80% of "Greenland" since before the last ice age.

You're welcome.

And what does the other 20% look like? Probably 19% rocks and 1% that patch of grass in that one dude/dudettes front yard.

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Deniers say
Quote:
Maybe Greenland will actually be ... GREEN again ?
The implication is clear that they (Rappy) believe that Greenland was once green, and therefore to see the glaciers melt is all within "normal variation".

Rappy could also be implying that there is no green NOW. I'M saying there IS. How long it's been there, would be the proper question.

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SKINNER: "I stand right on the line that you keep crossing."
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I'm not DENING that Greenland's glaciers have been melting lately, or that pollution really sucks. I AM just pissant, nitpicking to keep facts straight.

Please don't lump me in with Rappy's ilk, just because my posts are in close proximity (distance wise) to his. Unless it's something non-RWED related.

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Mohinder Suresh: "The default scientific position is skepticism."
----

Now, to keep the conversation going past Rappy's statement waaay up there....

Just out of curiousity, has the Sun itself been doing anything (it does not ACT, it DOES) different over the past few years? Any changes?

And what happened to that thing about the Ozone layer depletion causing the increase of the Sun's effect? Now, it's Co2? Or is it all the above?

Just covering any and all bases.

Sometimes my thoughts are jumbled, like file cards knocking around a shoe box, dowsed in plutonium, and piling up to a critical mass.

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Saturday, August 7, 2010 7:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

FWIW Eric the Red is reputed to have settled Greenland after being exiled. Further he is also said to have named it GREENland in probably the biggest real-estate sales-pitch/ con-job ever.

But just as ICEland is not covered in ice (ironically it has less ice cover than GREENland), and Paradise, CA is not actually, well, PARADISE, GREENland is not very green, and hasn't been substantially green for a few hundred thousand years.

But having read that whole thread about why facts don't matter, I'm guessing that Auraptor, who appears to be of conservative bent, will hew even more closely to his fantasies for all the facts put in front of him. Which makes arguing with him worse than useless. I intend to treat him like he isn't here.

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Sunday, August 8, 2010 5:18 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Ironically, I'm on the other side. To say "maybe Greenland will be green again" is merely a statement that something named "Greenland" may be gree again--as it was before man came along. It's a joke, it doesn't mean it was CALLED Greenland because it was green--which it obviously wasn't.

Ergo, the fact is: At one time, Greenland was green. To say "maybe it'll be green again" has nothing to do with who named it, when, or whether it was mostly ice at the time it was named. It's a play on words, nothing more.

It's interesting to see this go back and forth without that being recognized. The statement wasn't "Maybe Greenland will be green again, as it was when they called it that". It was green ONCE, maybe it will be again" is the joke. And it's valid.

It's more valid than "Paradise, CA, isn't paradise", because it never WAS paradise. Get it?

I hate that I have to agree...but coming into it long after the discussion, it's obvious to me. Dammit.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Sunday, August 8, 2010 10:08 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Yanno, this whole discussion keeps makin me think of Vizzini..

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Do you want me to send you back to where you were, unemployed, in GREENLAND?!

-F

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Monday, August 9, 2010 3:46 AM

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August is the hottest month of the year, and I just threw my AC away for mold infestation.

No AC and it feels GREAT! House feels like it's still ACed.

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