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Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:59 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Quote:Billy Roper is a write-in candidate for governor of Arkansas and an unapologetic white nationalist. “I don’t want non-whites in my country in any form or fashion or any status,” he says. Roper also is a tea party member who says he has been gathering support for his cause by attending tea party rallies. “We go to these tea parties all over the country,” Roper said. “We’re looking for the younger, potentially more radical people.” Accusations about racism within the tea party have rumbled for a year, but they suddenly exploded this week with a resolution at the NAACP convention in Kansas City saying the party is attracting people and groups hostile to minorities. it’s difficult to answer the racism question because the tea party is split into hundreds of shards, and the issue of racism depends somewhat on perceptions. Still, it’s clear that some with racist agendas are trying to make inroads into the party. In several instances, tea party members with racist backgrounds such as Roper have played a role in party events. At the same time, The Kansas City Star has found, white nationalist groups are encouraging members to attend tea parties. One organization based in St. Louis is sponsoring tea parties of its own. Many deny outright that any incidents of racism have occurred. They point out that there are minorities in the tea party and that tea parties are endorsing minority candidates in some races. Others say racism may be occurring, but only on the fringes of a movement that is so decentralized that 69 tea parties exist in Missouri and 24 more in Kansas. Nonetheless, some in the party have tried to police incidents of racism and turn away white supremacists. Brendan Steinhauser, director of campaigns for FreedomWorks, which organizes tea parties, acknowledges that some racist groups may be trying to “glom” onto the movement. But “where we see that behavior, we’re going to call them out,” he said. “Are there infiltrators coming in to try to make it look racist or extremist? Yes,” he said. “Are there people that may have those kinds of views that are showing up at our events trying to be a part of the movement? Sure. But for Leonard Zeskind, who has written a history of the white nationalist movement, the problem is obvious.“There are hard-core racists brewing inside the tea party movement,” said Zeskind, author of “Blood and Politics” and a Kansas City resident. “They see tea parties not only as recruitment opportunities, but as vehicles to cross over into mainstream American politics.” Take Ron Wight, who stood with dozens of tea party activists at the J.C. Nichols Memorial Fountain in April, complaining about the Obama administration, its socialist agenda and being called a racist. Then he added: “If I was a black man, I’d get down on my knees and thank God for slavery. Otherwise, I could be dying of AIDS now in Africa.” Wight doesn’t consider that comment to be racist. “I wish slavery had never happened,” he said. “But there are some black people alive today who have never suffered one day what the people who were black went through in the ’40s, ’50s and ’60s. Has somebody said something stupid or done something stupid? Yes, there have been incidents. But with everything that has been done in this country legally and socially for the black man, it’s almost like they’ve been given a great leg up.” The Council of Conservative Citizens, a St. Louis-based group that promotes the preservation of the white race, has sponsored its own tea parties in some Southern states. The council’s website has referred to blacks as “a retrograde species of humanity” and said non-white immigration would turn the country into a “slimy brown mass of glop.” Gordon Baum, the group’s founder, told The Star that the council encourages members to participate in tea parties. He described the tea party rallies as “mainly a white thing, because there’s not a whole lot of blacks that participate, and the ones that do get to be speakers.” Some other white supremacy groups also see tea parties as recruiting grounds. Roper, a former organizer for the neo-Nazi National Alliance and now chairman of White Revolution, said he has been attending tea party rallies to recruit members and garner support for his 2010 write-in campaign for Arkansas governor. Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke has posted a video on his website addressing tea party supporters. Duke says in the video that the majority of tea party activists “oppose affirmative action and diversity, which are nothing more than programs of racist discrimination against white people.” Those who monitor hate groups are worried about racism in the tea party. “There are probably close to a couple thousand of these local tea party chapters now,” said Devin Burghart, vice president of the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights, which is finalizing a special report on tea parties. “A number of these groups have been either thoroughly infiltrated by more hard-core folks, or at least those more hard-core folks are allowed to swim in that same ocean.” As examples, Burghart cited Robertson, as well as some speakers promoted by tea parties, such as Red Beckman, an anti-Semite who was once evicted from his land by the Internal Revenue Service for refusing to pay taxes. The racism isn’t coming only from the fringe, Burghart said. “This is not just a nut showing up in the audience with a crazy sign,” Burghart said. “It’s someone who they vetted and decided to give a platform to.” Zeskind said racist tendencies may be broader within the party than even critics realize. “Liberals think these are all poor, angry, working-class whites, but that’s not true,” said Zeskind, who helped draft the NAACP resolution. “It’s a solid middle class. The belief that these are people hit by the economic downturn is a myth. It’s people who have what they want and don’t want it taken away. They’re ” defending white privilege. Their slogan is ‘We want our country back.’ Zeskind pointed to some of the numerous polls done in the past year on the movement. A CNN poll found that tea party supporters are better off financially and are more highly educated than the general population. Eighty percent of those identifying themselves as tea party supporters were white. According to a New York Times/CBS News poll, 52 percent of tea party supporters said that too much has been made of the problems facing blacks, compared with 28 percent of the general population. A University of Washington survey found that those who think the government has done too much for blacks are 36 percent more likely to support the tea party than those who do not. Christopher Parker, an assistant professor who directed the survey, said the results showed that the tea party is not just about politics and the size of government. “The data suggests it may also be about race,” Parker said. The one thing I see in these movements right now is there seems to be a very vitriolic mode of communication,” he said. “You’ve got to have a little bit of that kind of language in order to motivate people, but if you have too much of it, then you bring in the most fringe elements. “And sometimes that can lead to their collapse because those who might be called normal people don’t want to be associated with something so radical.” But Cozad said it’s not the duty of the tea party to distance itself from racists on the fringe. http://www.kansascity.com/2010/07/15/2087023/tea-party-rejects-racist-label.html Why is it not their duty, if it's there, it's being spoken of, and they don't want to be seen that way? What is wrong with "yes, there are some elements, but we are doing our best to eradicate them, and they don't represent all of us"? Wouldn't that be more sensible than to try to deny what is obviously true? I just don't get that. Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani, signing off
Quote:Billy Roper is a write-in candidate for governor of Arkansas and an unapologetic white nationalist. “I don’t want non-whites in my country in any form or fashion or any status,” he says. Roper also is a tea party member who says he has been gathering support for his cause by attending tea party rallies. “We go to these tea parties all over the country,” Roper said. “We’re looking for the younger, potentially more radical people.” Accusations about racism within the tea party have rumbled for a year, but they suddenly exploded this week with a resolution at the NAACP convention in Kansas City saying the party is attracting people and groups hostile to minorities. it’s difficult to answer the racism question because the tea party is split into hundreds of shards, and the issue of racism depends somewhat on perceptions. Still, it’s clear that some with racist agendas are trying to make inroads into the party. In several instances, tea party members with racist backgrounds such as Roper have played a role in party events. At the same time, The Kansas City Star has found, white nationalist groups are encouraging members to attend tea parties. One organization based in St. Louis is sponsoring tea parties of its own. Many deny outright that any incidents of racism have occurred. They point out that there are minorities in the tea party and that tea parties are endorsing minority candidates in some races. Others say racism may be occurring, but only on the fringes of a movement that is so decentralized that 69 tea parties exist in Missouri and 24 more in Kansas. Nonetheless, some in the party have tried to police incidents of racism and turn away white supremacists. Brendan Steinhauser, director of campaigns for FreedomWorks, which organizes tea parties, acknowledges that some racist groups may be trying to “glom” onto the movement. But “where we see that behavior, we’re going to call them out,” he said. “Are there infiltrators coming in to try to make it look racist or extremist? Yes,” he said. “Are there people that may have those kinds of views that are showing up at our events trying to be a part of the movement? Sure. But for Leonard Zeskind, who has written a history of the white nationalist movement, the problem is obvious.“There are hard-core racists brewing inside the tea party movement,” said Zeskind, author of “Blood and Politics” and a Kansas City resident. “They see tea parties not only as recruitment opportunities, but as vehicles to cross over into mainstream American politics.” Take Ron Wight, who stood with dozens of tea party activists at the J.C. Nichols Memorial Fountain in April, complaining about the Obama administration, its socialist agenda and being called a racist. Then he added: “If I was a black man, I’d get down on my knees and thank God for slavery. Otherwise, I could be dying of AIDS now in Africa.” Wight doesn’t consider that comment to be racist. “I wish slavery had never happened,” he said. “But there are some black people alive today who have never suffered one day what the people who were black went through in the ’40s, ’50s and ’60s. Has somebody said something stupid or done something stupid? Yes, there have been incidents. But with everything that has been done in this country legally and socially for the black man, it’s almost like they’ve been given a great leg up.” The Council of Conservative Citizens, a St. Louis-based group that promotes the preservation of the white race, has sponsored its own tea parties in some Southern states. The council’s website has referred to blacks as “a retrograde species of humanity” and said non-white immigration would turn the country into a “slimy brown mass of glop.” Gordon Baum, the group’s founder, told The Star that the council encourages members to participate in tea parties. He described the tea party rallies as “mainly a white thing, because there’s not a whole lot of blacks that participate, and the ones that do get to be speakers.” Some other white supremacy groups also see tea parties as recruiting grounds. Roper, a former organizer for the neo-Nazi National Alliance and now chairman of White Revolution, said he has been attending tea party rallies to recruit members and garner support for his 2010 write-in campaign for Arkansas governor. Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke has posted a video on his website addressing tea party supporters. Duke says in the video that the majority of tea party activists “oppose affirmative action and diversity, which are nothing more than programs of racist discrimination against white people.” Those who monitor hate groups are worried about racism in the tea party. “There are probably close to a couple thousand of these local tea party chapters now,” said Devin Burghart, vice president of the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights, which is finalizing a special report on tea parties. “A number of these groups have been either thoroughly infiltrated by more hard-core folks, or at least those more hard-core folks are allowed to swim in that same ocean.” As examples, Burghart cited Robertson, as well as some speakers promoted by tea parties, such as Red Beckman, an anti-Semite who was once evicted from his land by the Internal Revenue Service for refusing to pay taxes. The racism isn’t coming only from the fringe, Burghart said. “This is not just a nut showing up in the audience with a crazy sign,” Burghart said. “It’s someone who they vetted and decided to give a platform to.” Zeskind said racist tendencies may be broader within the party than even critics realize. “Liberals think these are all poor, angry, working-class whites, but that’s not true,” said Zeskind, who helped draft the NAACP resolution. “It’s a solid middle class. The belief that these are people hit by the economic downturn is a myth. It’s people who have what they want and don’t want it taken away. They’re ” defending white privilege. Their slogan is ‘We want our country back.’ Zeskind pointed to some of the numerous polls done in the past year on the movement. A CNN poll found that tea party supporters are better off financially and are more highly educated than the general population. Eighty percent of those identifying themselves as tea party supporters were white. According to a New York Times/CBS News poll, 52 percent of tea party supporters said that too much has been made of the problems facing blacks, compared with 28 percent of the general population. A University of Washington survey found that those who think the government has done too much for blacks are 36 percent more likely to support the tea party than those who do not. Christopher Parker, an assistant professor who directed the survey, said the results showed that the tea party is not just about politics and the size of government. “The data suggests it may also be about race,” Parker said. The one thing I see in these movements right now is there seems to be a very vitriolic mode of communication,” he said. “You’ve got to have a little bit of that kind of language in order to motivate people, but if you have too much of it, then you bring in the most fringe elements. “And sometimes that can lead to their collapse because those who might be called normal people don’t want to be associated with something so radical.” But Cozad said it’s not the duty of the tea party to distance itself from racists on the fringe.
Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:03 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:13 AM
WHOZIT
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: ...that there is racism in the Tea Party, and given the following, I wonder why they are so determined to say there is NONE, rather than stating they will not tolerate racist element and will callthem out?Quote:Quote:Billy Roper is a write-in candidate for governor of Arkansas and an unapologetic white nationalist. “I don’t want non-whites in my country in any form or fashion or any status,” he says. Roper also is a tea party member who says he has been gathering support for his cause by attending tea party rallies. “We go to these tea parties all over the country,” Roper said. “We’re looking for the younger, potentially more radical people.” Accusations about racism within the tea party have rumbled for a year, but they suddenly exploded this week with a resolution at the NAACP convention in Kansas City saying the party is attracting people and groups hostile to minorities. it’s difficult to answer the racism question because the tea party is split into hundreds of shards, and the issue of racism depends somewhat on perceptions. Still, it’s clear that some with racist agendas are trying to make inroads into the party. In several instances, tea party members with racist backgrounds such as Roper have played a role in party events. At the same time, The Kansas City Star has found, white nationalist groups are encouraging members to attend tea parties. One organization based in St. Louis is sponsoring tea parties of its own. Many deny outright that any incidents of racism have occurred. They point out that there are minorities in the tea party and that tea parties are endorsing minority candidates in some races. Others say racism may be occurring, but only on the fringes of a movement that is so decentralized that 69 tea parties exist in Missouri and 24 more in Kansas. Nonetheless, some in the party have tried to police incidents of racism and turn away white supremacists. Brendan Steinhauser, director of campaigns for FreedomWorks, which organizes tea parties, acknowledges that some racist groups may be trying to “glom” onto the movement. But “where we see that behavior, we’re going to call them out,” he said. “Are there infiltrators coming in to try to make it look racist or extremist? Yes,” he said. “Are there people that may have those kinds of views that are showing up at our events trying to be a part of the movement? Sure. But for Leonard Zeskind, who has written a history of the white nationalist movement, the problem is obvious.“There are hard-core racists brewing inside the tea party movement,” said Zeskind, author of “Blood and Politics” and a Kansas City resident. “They see tea parties not only as recruitment opportunities, but as vehicles to cross over into mainstream American politics.” Take Ron Wight, who stood with dozens of tea party activists at the J.C. Nichols Memorial Fountain in April, complaining about the Obama administration, its socialist agenda and being called a racist. Then he added: “If I was a black man, I’d get down on my knees and thank God for slavery. Otherwise, I could be dying of AIDS now in Africa.” Wight doesn’t consider that comment to be racist. “I wish slavery had never happened,” he said. “But there are some black people alive today who have never suffered one day what the people who were black went through in the ’40s, ’50s and ’60s. Has somebody said something stupid or done something stupid? Yes, there have been incidents. But with everything that has been done in this country legally and socially for the black man, it’s almost like they’ve been given a great leg up.” The Council of Conservative Citizens, a St. Louis-based group that promotes the preservation of the white race, has sponsored its own tea parties in some Southern states. The council’s website has referred to blacks as “a retrograde species of humanity” and said non-white immigration would turn the country into a “slimy brown mass of glop.” Gordon Baum, the group’s founder, told The Star that the council encourages members to participate in tea parties. He described the tea party rallies as “mainly a white thing, because there’s not a whole lot of blacks that participate, and the ones that do get to be speakers.” Some other white supremacy groups also see tea parties as recruiting grounds. Roper, a former organizer for the neo-Nazi National Alliance and now chairman of White Revolution, said he has been attending tea party rallies to recruit members and garner support for his 2010 write-in campaign for Arkansas governor. Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke has posted a video on his website addressing tea party supporters. Duke says in the video that the majority of tea party activists “oppose affirmative action and diversity, which are nothing more than programs of racist discrimination against white people.” Those who monitor hate groups are worried about racism in the tea party. “There are probably close to a couple thousand of these local tea party chapters now,” said Devin Burghart, vice president of the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights, which is finalizing a special report on tea parties. “A number of these groups have been either thoroughly infiltrated by more hard-core folks, or at least those more hard-core folks are allowed to swim in that same ocean.” As examples, Burghart cited Robertson, as well as some speakers promoted by tea parties, such as Red Beckman, an anti-Semite who was once evicted from his land by the Internal Revenue Service for refusing to pay taxes. The racism isn’t coming only from the fringe, Burghart said. “This is not just a nut showing up in the audience with a crazy sign,” Burghart said. “It’s someone who they vetted and decided to give a platform to.” Zeskind said racist tendencies may be broader within the party than even critics realize. “Liberals think these are all poor, angry, working-class whites, but that’s not true,” said Zeskind, who helped draft the NAACP resolution. “It’s a solid middle class. The belief that these are people hit by the economic downturn is a myth. It’s people who have what they want and don’t want it taken away. They’re ” defending white privilege. Their slogan is ‘We want our country back.’ Zeskind pointed to some of the numerous polls done in the past year on the movement. A CNN poll found that tea party supporters are better off financially and are more highly educated than the general population. Eighty percent of those identifying themselves as tea party supporters were white. According to a New York Times/CBS News poll, 52 percent of tea party supporters said that too much has been made of the problems facing blacks, compared with 28 percent of the general population. A University of Washington survey found that those who think the government has done too much for blacks are 36 percent more likely to support the tea party than those who do not. Christopher Parker, an assistant professor who directed the survey, said the results showed that the tea party is not just about politics and the size of government. “The data suggests it may also be about race,” Parker said. The one thing I see in these movements right now is there seems to be a very vitriolic mode of communication,” he said. “You’ve got to have a little bit of that kind of language in order to motivate people, but if you have too much of it, then you bring in the most fringe elements. “And sometimes that can lead to their collapse because those who might be called normal people don’t want to be associated with something so radical.” But Cozad said it’s not the duty of the tea party to distance itself from racists on the fringe. http://www.kansascity.com/2010/07/15/2087023/tea-party-rejects-racist-label.html Why is it not their duty, if it's there, it's being spoken of, and they don't want to be seen that way? What is wrong with "yes, there are some elements, but we are doing our best to eradicate them, and they don't represent all of us"? Wouldn't that be more sensible than to try to deny what is obviously true? I just don't get that. Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani, signing off
Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:24 AM
KIRKULES
Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:25 AM
MAL4PREZ
Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:35 AM
RAHLMACLAREN
"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: A write in candidate ? Really? That's your ' proof ' ? There is zero racism in the Tea Party.
Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:38 AM
Quote: How those groups respond to finding racists among them is most telling
Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:02 PM
Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:06 PM
Quote: he didn’t get enough signatures to get on the ballot. Nonetheless, that is the party to which he belongs.
Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:46 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:I'm not irrelevant in this thread.
Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: nobody will listen to your ridiculous and idiotic proclamations.
Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:08 PM
Quote:In several instances, tea party members with racist backgrounds such as Roper have played a role in party events... Brendan Steinhauser, director of campaigns for FreedomWorks, which organizes tea parties, acknowledges “Are there people that may have those kinds of ...? Sure..” ... The Council of Conservative Citizens, a St. Louis-based group that promotes the preservation of the white race, has sponsored its own tea parties in some Southern states. ... Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke has [said] that the majority of tea party activists “oppose affirmative action and diversity, which are nothing more than programs of racist discrimination against white people.” ... some speakers promoted by tea parties, such as Red Beckman, an anti-Semite
Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:15 PM
Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:53 PM
Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:03 PM
Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:16 PM
Quote:"Elements within", or what ever, is nothing short of a whole sale attempt to paint the entire Tea Party movement
Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: What is being said is that there are racist ELEMENTS WITHIN the Tea Party. Are you going to continue to deny that? To say there is "ZERO" racism in the Tea Party? THAT is the question.
Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:47 PM
Quote: If you want play the parsing of words game, like Clinton did, then have at it.
Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by mal4prez: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: What is being said is that there are racist ELEMENTS WITHIN the Tea Party. Are you going to continue to deny that? To say there is "ZERO" racism in the Tea Party? THAT is the question. Don't fret yourself, Niki. Everyone gets it except that horrible smell who must twist everything to fit his needs. It's what he does: intentionally misunderstand a simple statement. He really is a cartoon of himself. It's like watching an episode of Walker, TX Ranger. What could you do to caricature that show? Nothing, because it's already at maximum stupid. Ditto raptor. Enjoy your dinner. ----------------------------------------------- hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left
Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:57 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: A write in candidate ? Really? That's your ' proof ' ? There is zero racism in the Tea Party. Lower taxes , smaller, more responsible gov't, more secure borders...sorry, nothing racist in the last. Lame try, but when the Left can't debate the issues, it's what they'll always fall back on, no matter what.
Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: If you want play the parsing of words game, like Clinton did, then have at it. "Elements within", or what ever, is nothing short of a whole sale attempt to paint the entire Tea Party movement. Period. End of discussion. Of course there's no question on Obama's racism, or that of the Left. Even to RAISE such a question is verboten. We must stay on message, we must stick to the issue, right ? Tea Party = racism. THAT'S what is being sold here. A democrat claims that the term "black hole" is racist, and that's all the proof anyone needs that the race baiters are out in full force. But you defend the clearly and overt attempt of the naaLcp of falsely accusing the TP of racism, with nothing to support your claim, in the least.
Sunday, July 18, 2010 2:42 AM
Sunday, July 18, 2010 3:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: A democrat claims that the term "black hole" is racist, and that's all the proof anyone needs that the race baiters are out in full force. But you defend the clearly and overt attempt of the naaLcp of falsely accusing the TP of racism, with nothing to support your claim, in the least. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380143,00.html
Sunday, July 18, 2010 3:40 AM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Sunday, July 18, 2010 3:43 AM
Sunday, July 18, 2010 3:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Name one who was in favor of lower taxes, smaller, more responsible gov't, more secure borders, spending cuts and the like who has now since changed their view on the Tea Party movement.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: You're self deluded nonsense about losing members the more anyone defends against the 100% false and fabricated claims, is laughable.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Firefly has been long cancelled. Sorry to break the news to ya, Piz.
Sunday, July 18, 2010 4:13 AM
Sunday, July 18, 2010 4:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: So, your views on more responsible government, less wasteful spending, secure borders, lowering the deficit,... have now some how changed due to bogus claims of racism ? I find that unlikely. Are you even an US citizen? Your term " American giver upper " suggests you may not be.
Sunday, July 18, 2010 4:41 AM
KANEMAN
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Sigh...again, Crappy, that guy IS A TEA PARTY MEMBER--it doesn't matter, he could just be a participant in their movement, the point is he is PART of the Tea party! Leaving him out of it entirely, however, how about the entire rest of the article? There is absolutely nothing convoluted or inaccurate about what I posted. It's from numerous sources, said by numerous people in positions of knowledge, AND EVEN BY THE TEA PARTY heads! To deny the Tea Party in and of itself is racist is accurate; to deny there is ZERO racism within its ranks is totally inaccurate. Desperation, look thyself in the mirror. There's no way "deep down" I believe you're right; I go by FACTS, and the facts are overwhelming that there are racist elements in the Tea Party, that leaders in the Tea Party have racist organizational ties, that groups which have funded the Tea Party represent racist interests, and that there are individuals WITHIN the Tea Party who are racist. If you want me to, I will back that up with all kinds of facts and cites...not today, because it's late and I'm tired and my back aches, but I will, and you know I can, so why not give it up now? Post something insulting, change the topic, do whatever you want, but you simply can NOT deny the facts in that article:Quote:In several instances, tea party members with racist backgrounds such as Roper have played a role in party events... Brendan Steinhauser, director of campaigns for FreedomWorks, which organizes tea parties, acknowledges “Are there people that may have those kinds of ...? Sure..” ... The Council of Conservative Citizens, a St. Louis-based group that promotes the preservation of the white race, has sponsored its own tea parties in some Southern states. ... Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke has [said] that the majority of tea party activists “oppose affirmative action and diversity, which are nothing more than programs of racist discrimination against white people.” ... some speakers promoted by tea parties, such as Red Beckman, an anti-Semite Give it UP, Crappy. I can find more; shall I find more? Cites detailing specific Tea Party activists, leaders, financiers, etc? You KNOW I can, and I shouldn’t have to. Just admit there is a racist component in some of the Tea Party and let it go at that. NOBODY is saying the entire party is racist, or even the majority. Just that it is THERE. Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani, signing off
Sunday, July 18, 2010 5:46 AM
Quote: You're self deluded nonsense about losing members the more anyone defends against the 100% false and fabricated claims, is laughable.
Quote: Firefly has been long cancelled. Sorry to break the news to ya, Piz.
Sunday, July 18, 2010 5:52 AM
Sunday, July 18, 2010 6:02 AM
Sunday, July 18, 2010 6:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: rappy, you're like a dog with a very old, stinky, fake bone who won't give it up. I know how this works, so I'm not going to waste my time trying to engage you on this further.
Sunday, July 18, 2010 7:04 AM
Quote:The top Republican in the Senate sought Sunday to stay out of the weeklong war of words between the NAACP and the Tea Party movement. At its annual convention last week, the longstanding civil rights organization passed a resolution that called on the conservative grassroots movement to repudiate racism within its ranks. The resolution set off a national firestorm that came to a head Friday when Mark Williams, a spokesman for a national Tea Party group, decided to remove a satirical letter he had posted on his blog site earlier in the week in response to the resolution. Asked about the controversy on CNN’s State of the Union, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell sidestepped the prickly issue. “Oh my goodness, . . . I’m not interested in getting into that debate,” McConnell told CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley.
Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:01 PM
DREAMTROVE
Monday, July 19, 2010 1:54 AM
Monday, July 19, 2010 6:34 AM
Quote: They were, of course, Pro-slavery the KKK became a principle funding and organizational engine for the democratic party, creating Woodrow Wilson, among others refuses to register its own black supporters to vote all across the south during voter registration drives because they don't want 'those people' to have influence inside the party Eugenicists are still revered by today's democratic media personalities like Gail Collins and Rachael Maddow, as well as by elected officials, judicial nominees and thinktankers. The US as taken, under democratic direction, extreme stances in favor of racist policies in a number of countries and globalist institutions around the world, but none more pronounces than the decision to exterminate 8 million blacks in the 1990s under direct orders of the Clinton Administration. Most policies of population control, eugenics, welfare, social programs, drug control and military conflicts can be found very easily to be essentially racist in nature and at the same time resoundingly supported by the democratic party.
Quote:The democrats then opposed equal rights for blacks
Quote: Hmm, a public purging... where have I heard that?
Monday, July 19, 2010 7:41 AM
Monday, July 19, 2010 8:00 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: There is zero racism in the Tea Party. Lower taxes , smaller, more responsible gov't, more secure borders...sorry, nothing racist in the last.
Quote:Lame try, but when the Left can't debate the issues, it's what they'll always fall back on, no matter what.
Monday, July 19, 2010 8:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: To the original thread opening: Yes, the Tea Party, a group of 15 million people, has among its numbers, some racists. So, sure, you can make the case that there is racism within the movement. I can make the case that the democratic party was founded on racism, has been supported by racism, is racist at the highest levels, and that racism is the principle ideology which it exists to promote, and I can make a damn good case at that.
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