I heard about this last night on an interview with Richard Clarke about the subject, and the numbers blew me away:[quote]Since the terror attacks of Sept..."/>

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This shocked me (and little about government bloat does anymore)

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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:05 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I heard about this last night on an interview with Richard Clarke about the subject, and the numbers blew me away:
Quote:

Since the terror attacks of Sept. 11, top-secret intelligence gathering by the government has grown so unwieldy and expensive that no one really knows what it cost and how many people are involved, The Washington Post reported Monday.

A two-year investigation by the newspaper uncovered what it termed a "Top Secret America" that's mostly hidden from public view and largely lacking in oversight.

In its first installment of a series of reports, the Post said there are now more than 1,200 government organizations and more than 1,900 private companies working on counterterrorism, homeland security and intelligence in some 10,000 locations across the U.S.

Some 854,000 people — or nearly 1 1/2 times the number of people who live in Washington — have top-secret security clearance, the paper said.

Col. Dave Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman, said Monday the issue of redundancy within the intelligence community is a "well known" problem.

"We've been fighting two wars since 9-11 and a lot of that growth in the intelligence community has come as a result of needed increases in intelligence collection and those types of activities to support two wars," Lapan said.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates previously had ordered the services and defense agencies to find cost savings in the years to come. Lapan said the military's intelligence programs, including its reliance on contractors, was expected to be part of that sweeping review.

Gates told the Post that he doesn't believe the massive bureaucracy of government and private intelligence has grown too large to manage, but that it is sometimes hard to get precise information.

"Nine years after 9/11, it makes sense to sort of take a look at this and say, 'OK, we've built tremendous capability, but do we have more than we need?" he said.

The head of the CIA, Leon Panetta, said he knows that with the growing budget deficits the level of spending on intelligence will likely be reduced and he's at work on a five-year plan for the agency.

The White House had been anticipating the Post report and said before it was published that the Obama administration came into office aware of the problems and is trying to fix them.

The administration also released a memo from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence listing what it called eight "myths" and intended as a point-by-point answer to the charges the Post series was expected to raise.

Among them was that contractors represent the bulk of the intelligence work force. The memo put the number at 28 percent, or less than a third.

The memo said that 70 percent of the intelligence budget is spent on "contracts, not contractors."

"Those contracts cover major acquisitions such as satellites and computer systems, as well as commercial activities such as rent, food service, and facilities maintenance and security," the memo said.

The Post said its investigation also found that:

_In the area around Washington, 33 building complexes — totaling some 17 million square feet of space — for top-secret intelligence work are under construction or have been built since 9/11.

_Many intelligence agencies are doing the same work, wasting money and resources on redundancy.

_So many intelligence reports are published each year that many are routinely ignored.

"There has been so much growth since 9/11 that getting your arms around that — not just for the DNI, but for any individual, for the director of the CIA, for the secretary of defense — is a challenge," Gates told the Post.

Here's the interview, it's Countdown, but not Olbermann, and what Clarke had to say was worth listening to:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#38316482


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of __________________, code name ‘Nike”,
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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:22 PM

CHRISISALL


Dank you, Nickovich, for giving us te intel needed to deestroy your decadent western culture...


The laughing Chrisisall


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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:29 PM

KIRKULES


"Some 854,000 people — or nearly 1 1/2 times the number of people who live in Washington — have top-secret security clearance, the paper said."

I'm not concerned about the potential security problems because we have systems to handle that, it's the growth of government in general that is alarming. A friend of mine once told me his dad worked in a top secret facility that made non-nuclear components for nuclear weapons. He had the highest clearance of anyone in the building because he was the janitor and had to go into all areas of the building. Other employees had top secret clearance but could only go into areas that their color coded cards could access. Because of the "need to know" system they use in top secret, most don't know enough to be any security threat.

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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:42 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Isn't it astonishing Kirk??? Blew my mind; I had no idea. I knew Dumbya used 9/11 to ramp up this stuff and increase "spy v. spy" stuff, but never dreamed it was to this extent!

Your janitor friend made me smile; is that or is that not typical of this shit? Sometimes, scary as it is, government is hysterical!


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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:04 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


The threats are very real. The ramping of spending and excessive expansion of Gov't is a kin to W's " comprehensive" plan to fix immigration.

More Gov't, more spending, more bureaucracy.

Same as Obama and the Leftists, only spending in different areas.






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