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Originally posted by Riverlove:
70% of black births are illegitimate, no father taking responsibility. Black leaders rarely dare acknowledge or condemn that race's national disgrace. Typical scenario is single working or welfare mamas with 5 kids from 4 different "sperm daddies". Only way these doomed-to-fail kids know who their daddy is if their mama tells them. And none of them were ever slaves. White Liberals do their little dance of guilt and make excuse after after excuse for Blacks. Our entire society has been dragged down because of pc correctness white-washing despicable behavior.

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Even if your statements were true, which I doubt (70% seems a bit high, and your "typical scenario" may not be so typical if by typical you mean "a majority"), you are still pointing to significant environmental deprivation (lack of stable family, lack of parental supervision, lack of proper nutrition, a single parent with low education having limited education themselves and limited financial resources to help their children succeed academically, an emphasis on survival in dangerous neighborhoods as a priority rather than academic success, idealization of the gang lifestyle, stigmatization of blacks who actually do have academic success in these scenarios by their own peers, lack of quality educational institutions in impoverished neighborhoods, etc) that could explain lower academic achievement and lower IQ scores rather than some innate genetic deficiency that dictates that blacks have less innate intelligence than whites. I would argue that whites experiencing similar environmental pressures would also perform worse than average as well.

To sum: you have pointed out environmental deficiencies that continue to contribute to poor academic success. We can choose to let this pattern continue, or we can figure out how to change the environment. Ideally, this comes from within the black community itself (as you mentioned, black leaders calling attention to the problems and then, hopefully proposing solutions), but chances are, it is going to need outside funding and outside resources as well. I say it needs to be spearheaded by blacks because some may have mistrust of some major overhaul spearheaded by whites.

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Just go to Google and you'll see many sites that have info on the illegitimacy numbers for all races. The 70% number is accurate.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I love it when stuff like that is used as an argument for anything.

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Originally posted by Malachite:

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Just go to Google and you'll see many sites that have info on the illegitimacy numbers for all races. The 70% number is accurate.

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Wow, I was skeptical of the 70% number, but I can't find anything that disputes this. The best link I found supporting the number was http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/greenbook2003/AppendixM.pdf

That is just sad. I figured the rate was high, but I had no idea it was that high...

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I love it when stuff like that is used as an argument for anything. It says nothing about the actual situtatio-- to whom birth control is available/affordable--lack of education, or society's affect on a population. It's real credible...NOT!

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But for may poor women, obtaining this control to plan their families remains out of reach. Women in developing countries experience 51 million unintended pregnancies each year because of lack of contraception. Giving women access to modern contraception and family planning also helps to boost economic growth while reducing high birth rates so strongly linked with endemic poverty, poor education, and high numbers of maternal and infant deaths. Improving girls’ education, giving women equal economic opportunities, and lifting families out of poverty are also important for lowering birth rates.

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Originally posted by Malachite:

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Just go to Google and you'll see many sites that have info on the illegitimacy numbers for all races. The 70% number is accurate.

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Wow, I was skeptical of the 70% number, but I can't find anything that disputes this. The best link I found supporting the number was http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/greenbook2003/AppendixM.pdf

That is just sad. I figured the rate was high, but I had no idea it was that high...

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Of course that number is accurate. Go back and read about how blacks cannot pass up instant gratification. It is the root of all their problems. From illegitimate births, crime, and drug use. They have an inability to form a just culture because they have not evolved the ability to pass instant gratification.

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Or, you might be able to imagine a better future.. but lack the faith in it (hope).

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I would argue that the access to "healthcare",in this case meaning abortions, is higher and easier in urban areas.

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However, again, I will state that the high illigitamcy rate is a simple matter of culture.

Who creates a culture, who influences a culture, how does a culture influence an individual?

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
For four hundred years on this continent, marriage among blacks was systematically and painstakingly dismantled. Black children were separated from their parents as a matter of policy. Black couples could be broken up for any reason at the whim of the white slave masters and generally were if they showed signs of dangerous emotions like love and loyalty. White slave masters routinely impregnated their female slaves to the point that modern African Americans rarely have more than 60% African blood (and gee, if that doesn't seriously interfere with anyone's racist fantasies of African genes being to blame for modern American black culture, no amount of reason will).

If we look back to their parent cultures in Africa we see predominantly patriarchal and polygamous traditions. Male parentage could not be more emphasized. Gee, what could possibly account for such a high rate of illegitimacy among African Americans today? What factor differentiates black American culture from the black African cultures from which they were taken?

Do you honestly imagine 400 years of black women being raped by white masters, 400 years of marriages routinely broken expressly to destroy the bonds between man and woman, 400 years of children sold to further undermine black family connections, 400 years of having their ties to Africa destroyed, their language outlawed, their traditions undermined--can you honestly say you think African Americans can reverse 400 years of the most aggressive social engineering the world has ever known, in just a few generations trying to coexist with the very culture responsible for their cultural annihilation?

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Oh wow HK, its becoming so rare these days that I meet someone so far removed from the truth of things. Someone still so ready to quote chapter and verse from their college sociology text-book.

But ok.

Im not even going to go the route of arguing. Its pointless. You have MUCH book-learning, but no real life experience.

In a few years, if you pursue an actual learning experience, we might be able to talk.

I mean no disrespect, but I can't argue with someone whose only learning, comes from the books their parents bought them for college.



"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

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Originally posted by kaneman:

Of course that number is accurate. Go back and read about how blacks cannot pass up instant gratification. It is the root of all their problems. From illegitimate births, crime, and drug use. They have an inability to form a just culture because they have not evolved the ability to pass up instant gratification.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I would argue that the access to "healthcare",in this case meaning abortions, is higher and easier in urban areas.

However, again, I will state that the high illigitamcy rate is a simple matter of culture.

Who creates a culture, who influences a culture, how does a culture influence an individual?

Those are the questions you should ask.

Also, who created the idealogy of illigitmacy as being a "good" thing?

Find the answers to those questions and you will start to see the truth. You will start to see how everything ties together, and why.



"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

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Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I would argue that the access to "healthcare",in this case meaning abortions, is higher and easier in urban areas.

However, again, I will state that the high illigitamcy rate is a simple matter of culture.

Who creates a culture, who influences a culture, how does a culture influence an individual?

Those are the questions you should ask.

Also, who created the idealogy of illigitmacy as being a "good" thing?

Find the answers to those questions and you will start to see the truth. You will start to see how everything ties together, and why.



"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

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Lots of exchange over this "black" issue, but the same has happened to white women in Michigan, with their hosed-up laws. It's really sickening.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I would argue that the access to "healthcare",in this case meaning abortions, is higher and easier in urban areas.

However, again, I will state that the high illigitamcy rate is a simple matter of culture.

Who creates a culture, who influences a culture, how does a culture influence an individual?

Those are the questions you should ask.

Also, who created the idealogy of illigitmacy as being a "good" thing?

Find the answers to those questions and you will start to see the truth. You will start to see how everything ties together, and why.



"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

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Lots of exchange over this "black" issue, but the same has happened to white women in Michigan, with their hosed-up laws. It's really sickening.

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Can you elaborate on this? What are you referring to? Thanks.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
So. Why would a group want to destabalize the familial structure?

What possible gain can you get from that?

And when has that been done before, and why?

Hint. 1800's, America.

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Originally posted by Malachite:

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I would argue that the access to "healthcare",in this case meaning abortions, is higher and easier in urban areas.

However, again, I will state that the high illigitamcy rate is a simple matter of culture.

Who creates a culture, who influences a culture, how does a culture influence an individual?

Those are the questions you should ask.

Also, who created the idealogy of illigitmacy as being a "good" thing?

Find the answers to those questions and you will start to see the truth. You will start to see how everything ties together, and why.



"Being called a racist by a Liberal is a badge of honor."

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Lots of exchange over this "black" issue, but the same has happened to white women in Michigan, with their hosed-up laws. It's really sickening.

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Can you elaborate on this? What are you referring to? Thanks.

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MI has many screwed up laws.
Many teen girls want to get pregnant instead of work, have a career. The state gives them $ for having and raising a kid, and then confiscate the funds from the sperm donor. If there are 2 kids from the same father, much less money is paid for the second kid. But if each kid is from a different father, she gets the full payout for each kid. Lasts for 18 years, then there are many women about 40ish suddenly in need of a new meal ticket.
One law is the "Every Child is a Bastard" Law, so that some women have kids with their boyfriend, but the law dictates that the father is her husband. After enough kids, she can then divorce, and the ex-husband is financially responsible for all the kids, child support, until they're all 18, while they all live with their mom and biological dad.
Just 2 key ones.
Think about how those affect societal pressures.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Or... maybe its meant to produce MORE illegitamacy rates...

Who knows?

Hmm?

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Well, you have to read the posts up above.

Draw your own conclusions.

But.

High illegitimacy rates, lack of familial structure, (broken families),

seems a good way to control a population, doesnt it?

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Let's hope he does. Our issues are of our own making. Time to step up and do the right thing for people we've been screwing over for decades.

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HKCAVALIER: Not so fast, Time Lord! We are speaking here of how "I" can prove I'm not racist, not whether folk who believe I'm racist can agree on criteria for defining me as such. "I" am still specifically powerless to change their minds for them. Still a fruitless enterprise. Still, best to avoid such folk, if I can.

No one can convince me that I am racist, either (but thanks for trying). I must come to that conclusion on my own.

Next!

HKCavalier

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