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How about both?

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
"Liberals like yourself"

It could possibly be because I'm not a liberal.

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Gun control advocates say the Assault Ban explains the decline of murder in the 90's. I don't think they are right any more than you are.

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Kirk for the WIN... in this otherwise strange and threadjacked...... thread.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Hey Ant,

Its easy to explain.

Crack.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:

Hate to burst your bubble, but if you agree with liberal positions enough times you become a liberal. I personally don't believe you ever were a conservative, your phony ploy to bring conservatives to your way of thinking by pretending to be one of them has failed.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
It becomes more an more obvious to me everyday.

"Gun control" means keeping guns out of the hands of black and brown people. But since politicians can't come right out and say that, or make laws to do so... they have to hide behind bs ideologies saying "guns kill people".

Prove me wrong.

I dare you.

I fucking double dare you.

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and you call it "threadjacked"?

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I understand the need to be armed. If you are 90 and a 20 y/o comes to take from you, a gun is the best friend you will ever have.

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
You live in DC right??

5th in manslaughter in the US - maybe they're using harsh language.

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

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Originally posted by Niki2:
And round and round and round we go, where we stop, everyone SHOULD know: we get bored and move on...eventually...far too long after we should...

Wulf will not change. He is locked into a mentality that is as unyielding as stone. Frem finally gave up when he realized this; there will be no learning from anything anyone says or from any facts, yet it goes on....?

Must be some fun in back-and-forthing with him, that's all I can figure. There are so much more interesting things to do...

I only popped in to see where this was going 'cuz it's the first thread I opened this morning, so I figured I'd have my say. Now I'LL move on to something more interesting. Just about anything has to be.

Wulf: Your premise has been discussed to death and determined to be false. NOBODY agrees with you, far as I can see. You can't complain about it being about you; you put it up, you've defended it against all reality; you've kept it going. For no reason; people HAVE answered your "question". End of story.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of __________________, code name ‘Nike”,
signing off

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
"In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:
In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.

Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:

DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)
New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents)
Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)
Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
It doesn’t take an advanced degree in statistics to see that a return to “wild west” levels of violent crime would be a huge improvement for the residents of these cities.
The truth of the matter is that the “wild west” wasn’t wild at all … not compared to a Saturday night in Newark. "
http://www.examiner.com/x-3253-Minneapolis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m2
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Originally posted by Kirkules:
"In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:
In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.

Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:

DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)
New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents)
Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)
Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
It doesn’t take an advanced degree in statistics to see that a return to “wild west” levels of violent crime would be a huge improvement for the residents of these cities.
The truth of the matter is that the “wild west” wasn’t wild at all … not compared to a Saturday night in Newark. "
http://www.examiner.com/x-3253-Minneapolis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m2
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Hello,

There are a lot of myths about the Wild West, and specifically about rowdy towns like Abilene. Most of those myths are perpetuated by us gun-lovers.

It's true that the town of Abilene (population 3,411 in 1900) had a lower murder rate than many modern cities. But at the same time, it wasn't the sort of town most of us gun lovers and Wild West aficionados imagine it to be.

In a town as small as Abilene, the murder rate per 100,000 people may not be significant to our debate. Their population is so tiny compared to a modern city, that a straight statistical comparison may be invalid. (Ruined, as it is, by the small sampling.) And there are other factors that make it a questionable comparison for our purposes.

For instance, I can carry a gun on my hip and walk down the streets in broad daylight in my modern home of Phoenix, Arizona.

I couldn't do that in Abilene, however.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWabiline.htm


"(4) Abilene Chronicle (8th June, 1871)

The Chief of Police (Bill Hickok) has posted up printed notices, informing all persons that the ordinance against carrying fire arms or other weapons in Abilene, will be enforced. That's right. There's no bravery in carrying revolvers in a civilized community. Such a practice is well enough and perhaps necessary when among Indians or other barbarians, but among white people it ought to be discountenanced."


I prefer living in modern-day Phoenix. Less gun control here, even if our murder rate is higher.

--Anthony



Due to the use of Naomi 3.3.2 Beta web filtering, the following people may need to private-message me if they wish to contact me: Auraptor, Kaneman, Piratenews. I apologize for the inconvenience.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
"In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:
In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.

Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:

DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)
New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents)
Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)
Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
It doesn’t take an advanced degree in statistics to see that a return to “wild west” levels of violent crime would be a huge improvement for the residents of these cities.
The truth of the matter is that the “wild west” wasn’t wild at all … not compared to a Saturday night in Newark. "
http://www.examiner.com/x-3253-Minneapolis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m2
d17-Dispelling-the-myth-of-The-Wild-West

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Signy,

This issue is one of the issues where I have been informed by the facts presented by the 'liberals' on the board. I used to believe the same things Wulf and Kirk did.

But when the opposing side presented compelling counter-evidence, I didn't just shut off my brain, switch topics, or lie. I tried to absorb the valid information and enrich my opinions.

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I still believe in gun ownership and the right to defense

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It's clear to me that there's more to a safe society than either giving everyone a gun or taking them all away. There's much more important stuff going on between the ears than there is going on in the hand.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
And till preying on your fellow man for kicks or gain is seen with the same degree of horror as infanticide and cannibalism, we're not gonna see that kinda change.

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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
**shambles through thread, an unearthly gleam in his dead eyes, a gun in his rotting fist**

Excuse me, but has anyone seen Wulfenstar? I am going to shoot him.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
"In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:
In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.

Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:

DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)
New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents)
Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)
Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
It doesn’t take an advanced degree in statistics to see that a return to “wild west” levels of violent crime would be a huge improvement for the residents of these cities.
The truth of the matter is that the “wild west” wasn’t wild at all … not compared to a Saturday night in Newark. "
http://www.examiner.com/x-3253-Minneapolis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m2
d17-Dispelling-the-myth-of-The-Wild-West

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All that proves is how SHOCKING the murder rate is in some of your cities.

A quick comparison of some of your cities with some European cities in the late 90's.

CITY

MURDERS
PER 100,000
(1) Washington, D.C., USA 69.3
(2) Philadelphia, USA 27.4
(3) Dallas, USA 24.8
(4) Los Angeles, USA 22.8
(5) Chicago, USA 20.5
(6) Phoenix, USA 19.1
(7) Moscow, Russia 18.1
(8) Houston, USA 18.0
(9) New York City, USA 16.8
(10) Helsinki, Finland 12.5
(11) Lisbon, Portugal 9.7
(12) San Diego, USA 8.0
(13) Amsterdam, Netherlands 7.7
(14) Belfast, N.Ireland, UK 4.4
(15) Geneva, Switzerland 4.2
(16) Copenhagen, Denmark 4.0
(17) Berlin, Germany 3.8
(18) Paris, France 3.3
(19) Stockholm, Sweden 3.0
(20) Prague, Czechoslovakia 2.9

Something is happening, n'est ce pas?

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
This issue is one of the issues where I have been informed by the facts presented by the 'liberals' on the board. I used to believe the same things Wulf and Kirk did.

But when the opposing side presented compelling counter-evidence, I didn't just shut off my brain, switch topics, or lie. I tried to absorb the valid information and enrich my opinions.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
This issue is one of the issues where I have been informed by the facts presented by the 'liberals' on the board. I used to believe the same things Wulf and Kirk did.

But when the opposing side presented compelling counter-evidence, I didn't just shut off my brain, switch topics, or lie. I tried to absorb the valid information and enrich my opinions.

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Nobody gives a fuck what you think you whiney little liberal sock puppet. The only thing left to determine is who’s little bitch you are. I had my suspicions about you from the very beginning, thanks for confirming them for me. Not that anyone here ever took you seriously in the first place.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:


All that proves is how SHOCKING the murder rate is in some of your cities.

A quick comparison of some of your cities with some European cities in the late 90's.

CITY

MURDERS
PER 100,000
(1) Washington, D.C., USA 69.3
(2) Philadelphia, USA 27.4
(3) Dallas, USA 24.8
(4) Los Angeles, USA 22.8
(5) Chicago, USA 20.5
(6) Phoenix, USA 19.1
(7) Moscow, Russia 18.1
(8) Houston, USA 18.0
(9) New York City, USA 16.8
(10) Helsinki, Finland 12.5
(11) Lisbon, Portugal 9.7
(12) San Diego, USA 8.0
(13) Amsterdam, Netherlands 7.7
(14) Belfast, N.Ireland, UK 4.4
(15) Geneva, Switzerland 4.2
(16) Copenhagen, Denmark 4.0
(17) Berlin, Germany 3.8
(18) Paris, France 3.3
(19) Stockholm, Sweden 3.0
(20) Prague, Czechoslovakia 2.9

Something is happening, n'est ce pas?

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
This issue is one of the issues where I have been informed by the facts presented by the 'liberals' on the board. I used to believe the same things Wulf and Kirk did.

But when the opposing side presented compelling counter-evidence, I didn't just shut off my brain, switch topics, or lie. I tried to absorb the valid information and enrich my opinions.

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Nobody gives a fuck what you think you whiney little liberal sock puppet. The only thing left to determine is who’s little bitch you are. I had my suspicions about you from the very beginning, thanks for confirming them for me. Not that anyone here ever took you seriously in the first place.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
"In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:
In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.

Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:

DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)
New York – 494 Murders (6 per 100,000 residents)
Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)
Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)
It doesn’t take an advanced degree in statistics to see that a return to “wild west” levels of violent crime would be a huge improvement for the residents of these cities.
The truth of the matter is that the “wild west” wasn’t wild at all … not compared to a Saturday night in Newark. "
http://www.examiner.com/x-3253-Minneapolis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m2
d17-Dispelling-the-myth-of-The-Wild-West

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All that proves is how SHOCKING the murder rate is in some of your cities.

A quick comparison of some of your cities with some European cities in the late 90's.

CITY

MURDERS
PER 100,000
(1) Washington, D.C., USA 69.3
(2) Philadelphia, USA 27.4
(3) Dallas, USA 24.8
(4) Los Angeles, USA 22.8
(5) Chicago, USA 20.5
(6) Phoenix, USA 19.1
(7) Moscow, Russia 18.1
(8) Houston, USA 18.0
(9) New York City, USA 16.8
(10) Helsinki, Finland 12.5
(11) Lisbon, Portugal 9.7
(12) San Diego, USA 8.0
(13) Amsterdam, Netherlands 7.7
(14) Belfast, N.Ireland, UK 4.4
(15) Geneva, Switzerland 4.2
(16) Copenhagen, Denmark 4.0
(17) Berlin, Germany 3.8
(18) Paris, France 3.3
(19) Stockholm, Sweden 3.0
(20) Prague, Czechoslovakia 2.9

Something is happening, n'est ce pas?

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When one argument fails for you just move to the next equally lame argument. You probably didn’t even notice that the city at the top of your list has the strictest gun laws of any city in the USA. Strike two try again.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
This issue is one of the issues where I have been informed by the facts presented by the 'liberals' on the board. I used to believe the same things Wulf and Kirk did.

But when the opposing side presented compelling counter-evidence, I didn't just shut off my brain, switch topics, or lie. I tried to absorb the valid information and enrich my opinions.

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Nobody gives a fuck what you think you whiney little liberal sock puppet. The only thing left to determine is who’s little bitch you are. I had my suspicions about you from the very beginning, thanks for confirming them for me. Not that anyone here ever took you seriously in the first place.

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Actually, Kane, I think Anthony is quite universally respected here by people on all sides of the political spectrum. Sorry you disagree with his idea of actually taking in data and examining it. That seems to conflict with your calcified world-view, which is incapable of growing, learning, or reason.

And thanks for confirming my suspicions that you are just another sockpuppet of Kaney's. Makes it so much easier to never be tempted to take you seriously...

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
This issue is one of the issues where I have been informed by the facts presented by the 'liberals' on the board. I used to believe the same things Wulf and Kirk did.

But when the opposing side presented compelling counter-evidence, I didn't just shut off my brain, switch topics, or lie. I tried to absorb the valid information and enrich my opinions.

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Nobody gives a fuck what you think you whiney little liberal sock puppet. The only thing left to determine is who’s little bitch you are. I had my suspicions about you from the very beginning, thanks for confirming them for me. Not that anyone here ever took you seriously in the first place.

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Hello,

I'll ask you to apologize and return to civil discourse.

--Anthony


Due to the use of Naomi 3.3.2 Beta web filtering, the following people may need to private-message me if they wish to contact me: Auraptor, Kaneman, Piratenews. I apologize for the inconvenience.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

I imagine pretty soon Anthony will have more filters than anyone can get around. I wonder why you bother. You're not going to shame him, and he can't hear you anyway. Or maybe that's the reason?

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I imagine pretty soon Anthony will have more filters than anyone can get around. I wonder why you bother. You're not going to shame him, and he can't hear you anyway. Or maybe that's the reason?

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That seems to be Kaney's sole reason to exist - the idea that he WILL NOT BE IGNORED. Look at the depths of his desperation: he's inventing new people to be practically on a daily basis at this point, just trying to circumvent the filter of someone he purports to hate, and whose posts he claims to care nothing about.



AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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