It blows my mind how "Christians" can so easily pass on one of their authority figures' "sins", yet condemn anyone else mightily. Haggard is now saying ..."/>
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Ted Haggard's baaack.....he 'over-repented', you see
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:44 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:At one time Ted Haggard ran the largest church in Colorado. Then came revelations about sex sessions with a male escort and methamphetamine usage and it all went away. New Hope, the church he created, promptly booted Haggard out the door. Well that was in 2006 and his non-compete agreement with New Life is expired. So Ted Haggard is back in Colorado Springs and has started over with St. James Church. Pastor Ted Haggard is moving his burgeoning new St. James Church out of his Old Ranch Road barn in Colorado Springs to the city’s Pikes Peak Center for the Performing Arts beginning July 25. St. James, marking its sixth week of existence as a church last Sunday, drew 230 congregants to Haggard’s barn. Haggard said he expects the church, at first, will require one of the smaller rooms at Pikes Peak for weekly 10 a.m. services. However, the center’s main auditorium can hold more than 2,000, and Haggard isn’t ruling out a congregation of that size in the near future.
Quote: am guilty of sin, but probably not the sins you think. The four lie detector tests I took all demonstrating that I had not had an affair with Mike Jones, had not had sexual contact with anyone in the church other than my wife or had ever groomed anyone in the church for sexual contact. I have never had a homosexual “affair” or “relationship” in my life. I am guilty of sexual immorality and guilty of taking the drugs. I lied in two interviews. Everything else has been precise, accurate, with an attempt to be biblical and not unnecessairly cause additional embarrassment to my wife and kids. I went to Mike for a massage that ended up being sensual. He told me about drugs and I returned on several occasions to buy them and used them, then, by myself. Never with anyone else. That is what happened with Mike. There were, however, other one time occurances (sic) which is why I am guilty of sexual immorality As for the questions about homosexuality — I just don’t know. My sin issues were in direct response to trauma in the 2nd grade, but I always had heterosexual orientation and have had a normal heterosexual relationship with my wife. The homosexual portions were my responsibility but were confusing because they were contrary to everything else in my life. Since going through EMDR (Trauma Resolution Therapy) in November of 2006, I have not had any unwanted intrusive thoughts or actions. It doesn’t mean I’m perfect, it’s just that I’ve been able to respond well to the byproduct of the trauma as a child.
Quote: I very much doubt that Haggard’s attractions were caused by newly recollected childhood trauma or that EMDR will prove to have much long term effect. His discussion of “homosexual portions” being in conflict suggests that he continues to view homosexuality as a “lifestyle” or as having attributes sharply different from his desires to have a family and ministry. Nor does he seem to comprehend the idea of bisexuality as an orientation. But I also do not doubt that he has attractions to his wife which can be adequately fulfilling for a newly humbled Ted Haggard. The experiences he has gone through in the past few years are probably strong incentive to value his relationship. However, I also suspect that any assumption that his same-sex attractions are healed will only open him up to further betrayal of his vows.
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:11 PM
PENGUIN
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:20 PM
MINCINGBEAST
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 5:32 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:01 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:50 PM
STORYMARK
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Not unlike Democrats telling us how " patriotic" it is for us to pay our taxes, and then buying a 7 million dollar yacht ( built in New Zealand, not the US ) only to birth it in another state, not the one in which you happen to be the senior US Senator. Do as we say, not as we do!
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 3:08 AM
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 3:10 AM
KANEMAN
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: So he didn't really MEAN to get a happy ending with that man-massage, eh? He was just - ahem - "overcome" with the spirit?
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 3:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: "berthing" , and it still doesn't change the fact that Democrats say one thing and do another.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 3:16 AM
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: No, you have it all wrong. Kwickie changes his own words, when he needs cover, and ignores the points of others, to avoid dealing with the real issues.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:29 AM
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:52 AM
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:40 AM
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Story Take that pic down, as it does not apply.
Quote: I didn't change anything in the sense that Kwickie did. I corrected a misspelled word , which in no way changed the meaning of what I was trying to convey. And I didn't blame anyone else. Where you came up w/ such an idiotic idea.... stupefies the mind.
Quote: Kwickie inserted, after the fact, a word " here" which completely changed the point he had already made into something different. I admitted and in no way tried to hide birth for berth, so I'm totally innocent of any hypocrisy, what so ever.
Quote: If anything, Niki and Kwickie deserve the title .....
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:19 AM
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:03 PM
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:37 PM
Quote: The room loves it when Lord and Lady Douchebag fight amongst themselves.
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:51 PM
CATPIRATE
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:10 PM
Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:54 AM
Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: what , as a grown man, do you get out of acting like such a child ?
Quote: Seriously, dude, the next time you have an original thought, will be your first.
Quote: Hell, even in the fav commercial thread, you admit you were " just about " to post the one I already did.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:27 AM
Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:10 PM
Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Different thread and one I never even saw, read, or posted in...
Quote:... so YOUR life is completely full of fail and misery. Who bothers with a thread titled " deleted post " anyways ? Oh, that'd be you.
Quote: I proved my case, time and time again. How ? I explained it, more than once. All you did was parrot back my own words with out once showing the slightest bit of a defense. Because you have none.
Quote: You're a sad , pathetic little man, Kwickie.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Different thread and one I never even saw, read, or posted in... Doesn't change the fact that I posted it long before you did. You fail.
Quote: Quote:... so YOUR life is completely full of fail and misery. Who bothers with a thread titled " deleted post " anyways ? Oh, that'd be you. Guess you never noticed how threads with titles like "RE: RE" get taken over as Kitty Threads. Same thing with the "Deleted" thread. Can't say I'm surprised that you never picked up on it; after all, you really aren't smart.
Quote: Quote: I proved my case, time and time again. How ? I explained it, more than once. All you did was parrot back my own words with out once showing the slightest bit of a defense. Because you have none. You've never "proved" your case, or anything at all. You prattle on about a bunch of shit, but you never SAY anything at all. I parrot back your words at you just to show you what an idiot you sound like. And it works, every single time. I call the tune, wind you up, and you dance like the silly little monkey you are. So, so predictable...
Quote:Quote: You're a sad , pathetic little man, Kwickie. And you're the sad little loser following me around. Says a lot about you, shorty.
Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:40 PM
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Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2:Gawd, watching you two sure as hell gets
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