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Holding her up as a symbol of "curvy" women, which is often synonymous with "heavy" is disingenuous.

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I do agree that her size is probably healthy. I might even suggest she put on a pound or two more, but that could be a product of the lighting from the camera.

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I personally think using "curvy" synonymously with "heavy" is disingenuous (although maybe well-intentioned). Having curves as well as slender parts is called "having curves in the right places" I would say. And that's enough for most men I believe.

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Looking up "curvy" in a thesaurus.
Main Entry: curvy
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: shapely
Synonyms: bosomy, buxom, curvaceous, sonsie, sonsy, voluptuous

Main Entry: buxom
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: bosomy
Synonyms: ample, built, busty, chubby, comely, curvaceous, curvy , full-bosomed, full-figured, healthy, hearty, lusty, plump, robust, shapely, stacked, voluptuous, well-made, well-proportioned, well-rounded, zaftig

Main Entry: curvaceous
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: voluptuous, full-figured
Synonyms: bosomy, buxom, curvesome, curvilinear, curvy , rounded, shapely, statuesque, well-developed, well-proportioned, well-rounded, zaftig

Looking up "full-figured" on a thesaurus.
Main Entry: buxom
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: bosomy
Synonyms: ample, built, busty, chubby, comely, curvaceous, curvy, full-bosomed, full-figured , healthy, hearty, lusty, plump, robust, shapely, stacked, voluptuous, well-made, well-proportioned, well-rounded, zaftig

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I personally think using "curvy" synonymously with "heavy" is disingenuous (although maybe well-intentioned). Having curves as well as slender parts is called "having curves in the right places" I would say. And that's enough for most men I believe.

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Check out a women's mag sometime, this is what ladies mean when they're talking like this. Curvy = full-figured = heavy.

Why do you think people are taking such offense about this, and why do you think some of the people were saying "if some women try to work towards this as an ideal of beauty, they're going to be disappointed?"

Why do you think they were stressing "this takes lots of exercise?"

They're talking to heavy women. Christina Hendricks is not heavy, and it's ridiculous to tout her as an example to heavy women.

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=full%20figured

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Looking up "curvy" in a thesaurus.
Main Entry: curvy
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: shapely
Synonyms: bosomy, buxom, curvaceous, sonsie, sonsy, voluptuous

Main Entry: buxom
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: bosomy
Synonyms: ample, built, busty, chubby, comely, curvaceous, curvy , full-bosomed, full-figured, healthy, hearty, lusty, plump, robust, shapely, stacked, voluptuous, well-made, well-proportioned, well-rounded, zaftig

Main Entry: curvaceous
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: voluptuous, full-figured
Synonyms: bosomy, buxom, curvesome, curvilinear, curvy , rounded, shapely, statuesque, well-developed, well-proportioned, well-rounded, zaftig

Looking up "full-figured" on a thesaurus.
Main Entry: buxom
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: bosomy
Synonyms: ample, built, busty, chubby, comely, curvaceous, curvy, full-bosomed, full-figured , healthy, hearty, lusty, plump, robust, shapely, stacked, voluptuous, well-made, well-proportioned, well-rounded, zaftig

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Chubby, plump, hearty, healthy, robust...? Come on.

If you want a gorgeous full-figured lady, I'd more look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_Laurie when she played Mellie in Dollhouse. Christina's lovely, but she's not full-figured. She's a busty hourglass. It's different.

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Her arms are too big.

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She could double as a middle linebacker, if the call came.

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She could double as a middle linebacker, if the call came.

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Sorry- I guess I forget how non-muscled girly-men view an athletic woman. My bad.

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And then this story is followed by posts about 'what men prefer...' because you see, for all the changes in our lifestyles and feminism and post feminism, the most important thing about women is that they please men in how they appear visually.

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And then this story is followed by posts about 'what men prefer...' because you see, for all the changes in our lifestyles and feminism and post feminism, the most important thing about women is that they please men in how they appear visually.

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And then this story is followed by posts about 'what men prefer...' because you see, for all the changes in our lifestyles and feminism and post feminism, the most important thing about women is that they please men in how they appear visually.

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Well, much of the article in question IS about a va-va-voom actress playing a woman working for a 1950s-era ad company. Some regression is going to be expected, as well as the article not really giving anyone much to talk about apart from womenly figures.

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I'd much "prefer" to hold up athleticism as a goal for girls & women than genetics that determine *supposedly* desirable breast/waist/butt size that only select females may possess.

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You don't need to justify yourself, Chris.

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Femimism...

Oh, Christ.

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Thanks, Byte.

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I've heard SOME girls on this board talk about Nathan Fillion playing Mal, you know, especially that .... shirtless scene in the movie.

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Wasn't Nathan buff in that scene? Honestly, I felt he was kinda skinny in the series, but in Serenity, he was a-bulgin', baby!
(I can say that as a secure hetro male who does not possess any pretty floral bonnets)


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And then this story is followed by posts about 'what men prefer...' because you see, for all the changes in our lifestyles and feminism and post feminism, the most important thing about women is that they please men in how they appear visually.

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Strength (physical AND psychological) is sexy, but far more than that, it's healthy & the cornerstone of feminism IMO.
It JUST SO HAPPENS that strength & health leads to sexy. What *I* "prefer" is meaningless in the big picture, except that on the physical side, I'd much "prefer" to hold up athleticism as a goal for girls & women than genetics that determine *supposedly* desirable breast/waist/butt size that only select females may possess.

Have I redeemed myself at all in your eyes here, MD?


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We have a new PM here - a female *gasp* at least until the election in a month. When she took the job, the thing that was in ALL the media straight after was 'how she looked' discussion of her hair and figure and clothes. Can't quite remember that happening to the same extent (or any extent)when the job went to a bloke.

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symbolically turning rape, abuse, dominance, and dependence into a titillation mechanism.

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I mean, no one finds the torture scenes in War Stories titillating just 'cause of the shirt-less dudes, right?

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Seriously, I totally agree. That Tarzan stuff was pretty raw, but in the pulps of the 30's, who knew better, then more recent artists brought the visuals from the books to life, and, well, no so good feelings ensue.

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Sean Maher. Where the hell does a doctor get those kinds of abs? Sometimes it breaks my suspension of disbelief. A pet peeve.

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Some people don't seem to understand context... :x

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Interesting. Well, even though I still think you would say the Tarzan picture in question was innocuous, I am satisfied by this. Very after the fact agreement. :)

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Maybe he grabbed a muscle enhancer from the Alliance lab on his way out with River...

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I blame the fashionistas and entertainment industry. They do this to men, as well, but you don't HEAR about it. But they get coverage when it's a woman, because for some reason when it's a woman in a prominent position being analyzed, for some reason her sense of style becomes a talking point and valid criticism. I suspect it's because women and fashion are still too tightly associated with the collective psyche. A woman with poor fashion sense must have poor common sense. Men are given a free pass because they aren't supposed to know or care about fashion. Irritating double standard. The most common sensical men and women BOTH don't particularly care about looks, mostly because they also tend to be independent thinkers, and somewhat eccentric.

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so it's not the appeciation that I object to but the obsession and the criticism. Too fat,too skinny, too botoxed, too wrinkly. You can't actually win if you're a gal.

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When I was 10 I used to wear a sweater vest underneath my t-shirt to hide my skinniness- YEAR round. Sweating like crazy in summer, just to appear more "manly." I obsessed over my skin in my teens due to acne, trying one medication after another. The nothing-but-tuna-fish-out-of-the-can & water diet would clear my skin completely I found, but my weight suffered terribly. 6' tall & 120 pounds at 16 was hell for me. My nose was crooked, my hairline too high- on EVERY level I was a horrid mess that no girl would ever like, let alone kiss. I cried myself to sleep of loneliness & despair on a regular basis. Ending my wretched existence crossed my mind more than once.
The objective truth was that I was a thin, late bloomer, not at all as repugnant as I had believed.
But that didn't make it into my head until my 20's.

We are all victims, my lady.

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its impact is far, far greater for women than for men.

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When I was 10 I used to wear a sweater vest underneath my t-shirt to hide my skinniness- YEAR round. Sweating like crazy in summer, just to appear more "manly." I obsessed over my skin in my teens due to acne, trying one medication after another. The nothing-but-tuna-fish-out-of-the-can & water diet would clear my skin completely I found, but my weight suffered terribly. 6' tall & 120 pounds at 16 was hell for me. My nose was crooked, my hairline too high- on EVERY level I was a horrid mess that no girl would ever like, let alone kiss. I cried myself to sleep of loneliness & despair on a regular basis. Ending my wretched existence crossed my mind more than once.
The objective truth was that I was a thin, late bloomer, not at all as repugnant as I had believed.
But that didn't make it into my head until my 20's.

We are all victims, my lady.

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whatever you experiences as a young male- is probably squared for what women experience - of all ages.

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http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/pm-poses-for-glam-magazine-s
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