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Eligibility
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution sets the principal qualifications one must meet to be eligible to the office of president. A president must:

be a natural born citizen of the United States;

be at least thirty-five years old;

have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.

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Originally posted by peacekeeper:
Guys, let me ask you a serious question here and I ask this with the greatest respect. What, in your opinion, is a "Natuaral Born American"? With the greatest of respect, I consider your country to be the largest melting pot of different cultures in living history.So what the hell is a true American. In my opinion, if you aint scalpin folk and throwin tomahawks at each other, you aint no native American. And before you start Brit bashing, I am aware that this little old backwater has been overthrown and conquered down the centuries, so I'm not throwin stones in the greenhouse.
Just found it interestin that in "The Land of the free", you seem to have an identity problem with your own fucking President. Discuss!!!!

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

I recently read that a quarter of Americans doubt the President's eligibility status. (Questioning that he is 'natural born.' That's an astounding figure, but the rest of us have typically mollified our sense of horror by thinking things like, "Well, it must be the dumbest quarter of humanity."

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CNN's bad news for Obama: 6 of 10 doubt U.S. birth story

A new poll by CNN, whose editorial commentary largely supports President Obama and his policies, delivered some bad news on his apparent birthday today: 6 of 10 people are uncertain the president was even born in the United States.

The poll was taken July 16-21 of 1,018 adults, including 335 Democrats and 285 Republicans. It has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

The question was: "Do you think Barack Obama was definitely born in the United States, probably born in the United States, probably born in another country, or definitely born in another country?"

Definitely in the United States got the vote from 42 percent of the respondents and probably in the United States another 29 percent.

But that leaves almost six of 10 Americans uncertain about the president's birth – and therefore his eligibility under the U.S. Constitution to be president.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=187781


See the movie Obama does not want you to see, probes this unprecedented presidential-eligibility mystery!
http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/activism_non_profit/watch/v
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FUD.
Fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) is a tactic of rhetoric and fallacy used in sales, marketing, public relations, politics and propaganda. FUD is generally a strategic attempt to influence public perception by disseminating negative and dubious/false information designed to undermine the credibility of their beliefs. According to some commentators, examples of political FUD are: "domino theory", "electronic Pearl Harbor", and "weapons of mass destruction".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_uncertainty_and_doubt



Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist

by H. Michael Sweeney
www.MKZine.com
Spring/Summer 2003

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works

especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

www.whale.to/m/disin.html
www.911review.org/Wiki/RulesOfDisinformation.shtml
www.whale.to/b/sweeney.html

Examples & response:
www.proparanoid.net/truth.htm



'Conspiracy Theories' COINTELPRO thesis by Obama Czar
Obama's Kosher Czar Cass Sunstein demands false-flag domestic terrorism to blames patriot patsies
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=41472&m=752465

Pentagon calls for ‘Office of Strategic Deception’
http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/2010-10-Capability_Suprise_Vol_2.pd
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http://rawstory.com/2010/01/pentagon-report-calls-creation-strategic-d
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
The problem is with Birthers and all the other loony conspiracy theorists that clog up the internet and the news is that they keep getting airspace.

Ignore them and they will eventually go away

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Peacekeeper,

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consider your country to be the largest melting pot of different cultures in living history.So what the hell is a true American. In my opinion, if you aint scalpin folk and throwin tomahawks at each other, you aint no native American.

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Basically, "Yup". You guys don't even KNOW for sure who are "Indigenous", your history goes back so far. We KNOW our population is all immigrants, except the Native Americans. I don't understand it either, why we are so "I got mine, fuck you" about immigrants, but xenophobia is a pretty common human mentality.

MOST of us don't have a problem with the legitimacy of our President. A very large "most". We're not all raving lunatics, believe it or not.

And yes, ignoring them is the best option, Magons; unfortunately the media gets a kick out of giving them screen time, so it never completely goes away. Fifty years from now, they or their descendants will STILL be convinced he wasn't an American. Some people you just can't help...

As to excluding non-citizens from becoming Prez, do Britain or Australia let non-citizens hold high office? Just curious.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

Discriminatory it might be, but that doesn't necessarily bring into question legality. The fact that a ten year old might want to have a relationship with an adult, and it's illegal regardless of whether the child expressed consent might be considered ageism, but there's a good reason for it, see.

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As to excluding non-citizens from becoming Prez, do Britain or Australia let non-citizens hold high office? Just curious.

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And there are laws which become outdated. Some things are illegal, but there is no longer a good reason for them to be there.

What difference would it make if a foreign born natualised citizen became President?

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Having said all this, it's pretty clear that Obama isn't foreign born and that this is all a silly beat up aimed at destabilising his presidency.

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I'm picturing the kind of scenario where a palastinian born muslim who immigrated to America might easily ascend to the presidency. I think it's pretty unlikely.

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it's about these conservatives feeling lost in a society that is no longer defined and controlled by them.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
IF he is not American born... well, all the horrific shit hes pulled is null and void.

Gives people hope. Me too, btw.

Maybe this nightmare can be cancelled?

You know.. its kind of amazing. Americans hate Bama so much that they are hoping hes foreign born so we can disavow the last few years...

Even with all the hippies, and their signs... I've NEVER seen such anger and disdain for a "president".

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IF he is not American born... well, all the horrific shit hes pulled is null and void.

Gives people hope. Me too, btw.

Maybe this nightmare can be cancelled?

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You know.. its kind of amazing. Americans hate Bama so much that they are hoping hes foreign born so we can disavow the last few years...

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Even with all the hippies, and their signs... I've NEVER seen such anger and disdain for a "president".

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
This isn't some nightmare you can wake up from. Damage been done. If TPTB put Obama in office, you think they particularly would care if he was foreign born, you think they'd remove him?

Wishful thinking. At least put stock in realistic options.

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peacekeepr -

This issue was dealt with and addressed, nearly 230 years ago.

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Eligibility
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution sets the principal qualifications one must meet to be eligible to the office of president. A president must:

be a natural born citizen of the United States;

be at least thirty-five years old;

have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.

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You'll note it does not say 'true American', but natural born citizen. There is some wiggle room here, but it's generally understood that the President must be born IN the United States, or , in the case of John McCain, to citizens of the U.S., in U.S. territory.

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Originally posted by peacekeeper:
I was under the impression that the first article you mentioned had been amended.Is it not true that if Schwarzenegger wished to run, he would now be eligible, despite him being essentially Austrian born? Or is that a viscious rumour I have picked up in a dream somewhere?

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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The Arnold is not eligible to run for President.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
That poll is ridiculous.

First it's pretty blatantly slanted towards trying to produce an "obama was born in the U.S. response," so yes, it's a credit to the side that thinks Obama was not that they got as much of the vote as they did.

But the idea that you can take "probably" and add it on to either positive or negative responses is such a bunch of data manipulation.

I can buy the logic they're using, saying the "probably" = "uncertainty" option even though it's a tiny bit of a stretch (probably is a positive response, uncertain is a neutral response). But report it right!

If you look at it this way, honestly you can only say TWENTY NINE percent are uncertain, another TWENTY NINE believe without a doubt Obama isn't eligible, and FORTY TWO percent believe he is. I know full well that they're adding those two 29s together, but that's just was wrong as adding 29 to 42 and saying 71% of the population thinks Obama WAS born in America. Polling is a psuedoscience as it is, but dammit I wish pollsters would at least ACT like they care about a neutral representation.

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Kagan is Obama's lawyer in dozens of courts fighting birther lawsuits, to keep Obama from showing his birth certificate and college diploma.

Coincidence?

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Discriminatory it might be, but that doesn't necessarily bring into question legality. The fact that a ten year old might want to have a relationship with an adult, and it's illegal regardless of whether the child expressed consent might be considered ageism, but there's a good reason for it, see.

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And there are laws which become outdated. Some things are illegal, but there is no longer a good reason for them to be there.

What difference would it make if a foreign born natualised citizen became President?

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I'm not arguing for anything. I'm simply questioning. And I don't see that being born in a country would prevent you from being a sleeper agent. I mean isn't that why people's lives ARE scrutinised so much, to ensure that the person is who they say they are.

I'm picturing the kind of scenario where a palastinian born muslim who immigrated to America might easily ascend to the presidency. I think it's pretty unlikely.

Having said all this, it's pretty clear that Obama isn't foreign born and that this is all a silly beat up aimed at destabilising his presidency.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
I see the Birther thing as a continuation of that moronic Bush era mentality: if you don't agree with W, you're not a real American. Continued with Palin and Tea Party: if you're not a white hetero ignoramus living in a small town, you're not a real American.

The right-wing close-minded types absolutely need "America" to mean them and them only. They certainly can't have the lead top #1 American be Barack Obama. No no no that won't do! Hence, Obama must not be an American.

They NEED to believe that, so no evidence to the cantrary will ever be accepted. Which feeds into your other thread Niki - this Birther thing is an emotional belief, and not based on reason or facts.

It isn't even really about Obama, it's about these conservatives feeling lost in a society that is no longer defined and controlled by them. Black people have power now. Gay folks can be happily married and raise children. American food is not necessarily hot dogs and apple pie - it may include some kind of salsa. This really fucks some people up, because they want that white, bland, suburban 1950s utopia to live forever.


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Yes, we've lost a lot to you secular progressives, I cannot deny that. But I am ever-hopeful that at some point the tide will turn against the current quagmire of Liberal economic and political failures, and the Liberal-led moral decay of society.

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