The Good Wife and Percy by AnthonyT

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Hello,

This is what Percy looks like.

--Anthony

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Monday, August 9, 2010 10:08 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

She IS a good wife, it sounds like.

Another positive of a shotgun for home defense over a handgun or rifle, which you didn't mention, but of which I'm sure you're aware: Walls. As in, walls and penetration thereof. My 7.62x39 carbines, or my 7.62x54r rifles, are NOT suitable home-defense weapons, because they will "defend" not only my home, but also my neighbor's home. And his neighbor's. They'll go through several modern walls, in other words, making them more danger than defense. I could defend my home and kill several of my neighbors, all with the same shot!

As such, I keep my trusty 9mm Ruger nearby for home defense, loaded with soft lead hollowpoints and frangible ammo in alternating loads, and I also keep a .380 auto handy, loaded with frangible ammo. The idea is to put ALL of the kinetic energy into an intruder, instead of through him and out the other side of the house.

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Monday, August 9, 2010 11:04 AM

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H&K USP .40

Glock 23

Mossberg 500 (ETA: I see you have one... good job)

Winchester .308

.357

Ar 15 (556)

Try those.

Keep one in your car, one on you, and the rest at home. You should be alright.

ETA2: Over penetration is a problem... but so is weak loads that won't stop said intruder.

Cover and alignment is best.

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Monday, August 9, 2010 11:53 AM

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Hello,

I appreciate your advice, Wulf, though I take a different tack than you. For one thing, you clearly invest more of your income into firearms than I do.

I don't think I'll ever own anything from H&K or Glock. They tend to be a bit above my price range. The only semiauto I currently own is a Makarov, another of my 50-60 year old cold war relics. I used to carry it concealed when I had a permit in Florida. I guess that isn't a problem anymore in Arizona, so I'll have to dig up my belly pouch. Still, I think of it as an emergency holdout gun, and not something I'd select if I knew there was trouble about.

I doubt I'll ever own a .308. Not only do .308 rifles tend to be expensive, but the ammo itself is murder on the pocketbook. If I was going to go that route, I'd buy a Moisin Nagant (Noisy Nagant) for a hundred bucks and buy its expensive 7.62x54R ammo. But honestly those buzzards produce too much of a shockwave for my taste. Makes the stagecoach gun sound like a yapping puppy in comparison to its mighty roar. The Ruskies are tougher than I am, I freely admit.

My Taurus Gaucho peacemaker clone is chambered in .357, though I typically only buy soft .38's for it. Still, for reasons mentioned, it's not an ideal defense piece. I'm not sure I could justify the purchase of another revolver.

AR-15? Not only could I not afford it, but I'd be afraid to trust it. For all I know, it's a wonderful gun, but I have heard far too much about it from people who used to rely on it to preserve their lives. When a veteran tells me he'd rather have a cheap knock-around AK than an AR-15, it makes me take note.

I used to keep a gun in my car 24/7, but the idea of someone stealing it from the car started to work on me. If someone was to use one of my guns in a crime, I'd be depressed.

My philosophy is always to err on the side of safety. Over-penetration is dangerous to neighbors and people in the next room. Hence, I'm not excited about using high-velocity, high-penetrating ammo or weapons in an urban setting. Better I die than kill an innocent. It's one of the reasons I wasn't real anxious to replace my SKS with another rifle. The only rifle I'd really consider buying nowadays is a carbine chambered in .357 that I could load with soft-nosed .38s. Then I could share ammo with my revolver and not be overly concerned with shooting through walls if the occasion surfaced.

Now that I've got the Mossberg, I'm not sure I have much need for a rifle anyhow. With decent sights, a slug can reach out 100 yards. How much farther am I likely to need to shoot something?

--Anthony

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Monday, August 9, 2010 12:13 PM

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Practice, practice, practice.

I was at a range the other day, shooting zombie cutouts (awesome by the way)...

So of course I went for nothing but headshots.

Good times.

Just repeat.... "cover and alighnment" over and over...

It helps.

Also, overpenetration is something of a bogeyman... however.

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Monday, August 9, 2010 12:30 PM

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Hello Wulf,

After the incident in Florida, the FBI did a thorough study on wound ballistics. It's a study I devoured many times over. Their conclusions led to the introduction of 10mm and .40 caliber ammunition into the realm of law enforcement.

I know just a little bit about penetration, wounding, and stopping, as well as cover and concealment. I've been at this hobby since before I was old enough to own a handgun. The fact that most of my weapons are chosen for sporting purposes, price, and nostalgia ought not to misdirect your perceptions about my knowledge base. I say this reluctantly, but your posts have a flavor about them that makes me twitch. In the gaming world we call it the 'Resident Expert' syndrome. I'm sure it's not intentional on your part.

And all that having been said, I do fear the boogeyman. It'd be hard to live myself if I hurt an innocent person. I suspect that attitude makes me unsuitable for military service. And possibly some police departments. It probably also puts me at a disadvantage in defense scenarios, when the safety of other people I can't even see are notched a bit higher than my own, and where I may not actually want to kill even the 'bad guys' if I can avoid it. I can live with it. Or maybe not, if things go south. But I won't live without it.

--Anthony

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Monday, August 9, 2010 12:36 PM

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I never said overpenetration wasnt a problem,

Just that a 380 is less likely to stop a BG.

Id rather put them down, and THEN worry about the consequences,,, than have them put ME down and worry about my wife and innocents... as I bleed out.

Put the BG down, period.

So, practice is important. Hit what you are aiming at, with the load that will drop them as quickly as possible.

It took 6 shoots for the chick at Ft Hood to stop the guy. She was using 9mm HPs.

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Monday, August 9, 2010 1:00 PM

She was also shooting center-mass, as trained.

There's a reason LEOs fear the videogame generation - these kids tend to go for headshots, instead of center-mass shots, because that's what their games have taught them.

And why do I care if it takes 6 shots to put a BG down, if I'm running a 30-round mag? By the way, I generally go two to the chest, one to the head; the old Mozambique drill.

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I gave up my SKS rifle (a roughly 60 year old cold war relic), but it wasn't quite an ideal home defender anyhow. Once it started to auto-fire without permission, I lost faith in it. I know the Sear is easily replaced (and in fact it has been now) but I really got spooked by that particular malfunction.

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Monday, August 9, 2010 1:34 PM

Anthony:

Good decision on getting rid of the SKS, I think. I'm with you - once the damned thing decides it wants to go full-auto, I'd never trust it again. And it's the kind of malfunction that could very well land you a ten year stretch in Club Fed if it did it at the range and there was a dickish LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) around.

On the Nagant, they're kind of fun, in a masochistic way. It's a challenge to see if I can put 10 rounds through mine before I give up due to a sore shoulder. Yes, the Rooskies were manly men, even their 98-pound female snipers. (And they did have some beautiful and deadly women snipers!)

And I'm with ya on the .308. Horribly over-rated, and horribly overpriced.

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Monday, August 9, 2010 6:00 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Oh how ironic - remember, a Mossberg 500 (in 20G) of EXACTLY the same type I bought Wendy for her own home defense, for price vs effectiveness you really can't beat the damn thing.

While Wulfie is more than a bit cracked in the head, his suggestion about practice is a worthy one, and for cost effectiveness I'd reccommend using #6 shot for training purposes since you can find it cheap and it allows use of even a short range with limited backstop, or even someones wooded property if needs be.

For home defense loads, because of your personal feelings and morality, which are similar to, but not as extreme as Wendy's - I would also reccommend rubber buckshot for you as well, it's far less likely to damage the furnishings and substantially less-lethal (although with any firearm that possibility does present itself) while still being quite immediately disabling, and the load itself tends to absorb slightly more of the muzzle flash/blast, which is a useful thing when fighting indoors - only problem is gonna be getting your hands on it, however if you have any local law enforcement who aren't complete dicks (a rarity in Phoenix, I'll admit) it may be worth asking them who their supplier is.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:24 AM

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My point was that even shooting center-mass, AND using HPs, it still took 6 shots to stop him.

So, I would recommend using the biggest bullet you can handle, practice with it, and go for center mass.

Handgun bullets are iffy at best anyways.

There really isn't one thats a certain "one-shot-stop".

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:32 AM

And I don't necessarily buy that it took all 6 shots to stop the guy. Yes, she put 6 into him, but was he still firing after the fifth round hit him, or was she just rapid-firing into him and trying to empty her gun into the guy?

Let's put it this way: If I'm running a Desert Eagle .44mag, and someone is coming at me armed, I'm going to put every round in the magazine into the guy; that doesn't mean it took all of them to stop him, though. :)

There's a school of thought that says use the biggest round available (want a .50BMG handgun? They've got 'em!), and there's another that says use more smaller rounds. Both are valid. One way, you've got more stopping power, but fewer chances to hit the target; the other, you've got less stopping power, but many more chances to hit the guy, probably with several rounds. As I said, I use aftermarket 30-round stick mags with the Ruger. I've yet to see such a thing for a Glock .45ACP. :)

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:37 AM

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I havnt seen a 30 rd mag for a Glock 45 either... but I think they have one for 9mm. lol

And a .50... really? lol So you take ONE shot at the guy... and either the kick breaks your wrist, or it flies back into your face and knocks you out.

Am I the only one who thinks that the .40 has a lot more flip than a .45?

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:47 AM

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Has anyone shot the 6.8? I've heard it has the range of a 556 but also the knock down power of an AK...

Also, that it was developed by the Corps... so that right there makes me giddy.

:)

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:59 AM

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My point was that even shooting center-mass, AND using HPs, it still took 6 shots to stop him.

So, I would recommend using the biggest bullet you can handle, practice with it, and go for center mass.

Handgun bullets are iffy at best anyways.

There really isn't one thats a certain "one-shot-stop".

Hello Wulf,

It's true that there is no guaranteed one-shot-stop solution to a violent encounter.

This is why telling people that 'these are the five weapons you need to own' or 'these are the must-have calibers' doesn't work for me.

I'm always glad to share with people my preferences, studies, and experiences with weapons and fighting. But it's important for me to remember that other people aren't me. They don't have my tolerances, preferences, experiences, or capabilities.

The best gun to have in a fight is the gun you have. A young lady who puts six rounds of 9mm into a dangerous assailant before stopping him thus had the very best gun in the whole universe at the time. In this specific instance, it was the type of firearm she was issued, comfortable with, and trained to use.

I won't spend much time telling a shooter that she must carry a .40 caliber Glock if the only weapon she's comfortable with carrying or using is a .22 revolver. I likewise wouldn't spend much effort advising a shooter about the glories of a $1000 rifle if I know they're struggling to afford a $300 investment in a firearm.

There's a reason there's more than one kind of gun in the world, and the reason there's all these varied types of ammunition. It turns out that individuals are... well.. individual. So are dangerous situations, the likelihood of them occurring, and the shape they're likely to take for each person.

Even the very wise recommendation to practice (one which I share frequently with new shooters) isn't a blanket. I find it's better to ask 'how often do you have the time and money to practice with your weapon?' This question alone can have a real bearing on what type of weapon the person may want to own. There's people who can practice a couple of times per year, or once per month, or every weekend.

I'm not immune from the desire to spout my expertise on subjects with which I am familiar (see above) but I try very hard (and sometimes fail) to frame opinions as opinions, facts as facts, and to remember above all things that Joe X is not Jack D or Suzy Q.

Fighting, firearms, and even tactics are not a one size fits all garment.

Hell, the mere identification of Cover over Concealment can vary based on factors you can't control and have no way of knowing.

It's a fluid world.

But rest easy. There were two reassuring conclusions drawn from FBI studies in the aftermath of their Florida bloodbath.

1) Most times you don't have to shoot someone.

2) Most people shot ANYWHERE with ANYTHING will stop. Even the most anemic, pathetic, piece of crap firearm in the whole wide world will stop most of the people most of the time.

It seems that everything else is a game of What If that needs to be tailored to the individual and their chosen unlikely set of scenarios tucked within another unlikely set of scenarios.

The vanishingly small possibility I worry about is 'What If I hurt/kill someone I didn't mean to?'

Other people worry about Ninjas, 300 pound meth addicts, and psychotic extremist suicide attackers... with varying bearings and connections to reality.

--Anthony

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:02 AM

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Don't forget zombies....

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:05 AM

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Has anyone shot the 6.8? I've heard it has the range of a 556 but also the knock down power of an AK...

Also, that it was developed by the Corps... so that right there makes me giddy.

:)

Hello,

I've never shot one, but it looks like a pretty piece of hardware. Let us know when you get around to borrowing one from some lucky fella at the range.

--Anthony

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:12 AM

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Does anyone know what caliber Mals pistol was?

I know the schematics... and that it had to be a caseless firing mechanism (which, btw, how do you do that?)

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:37 AM

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Hello,

I think the Steyr Aug was caseless, for a real world research platform.

ETA: Nope, it was the H&K G11, according to google. Sorry.

But of course in reality Mal's pistol was a humdrum revolver fitted inside a stylish prop casing.

--Anthony

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:47 AM

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I just meant how COULD caseless ammo work?

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:50 AM

Anthony,

I think you're thinking of the H&K G11.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G11

Wasn't aware of the AUG being caseless.

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I just meant how COULD caseless ammo work?

It does, but there seem to be quite a few issues with it, such as waterproofing and cooking off due to extreme heat.

Read that article on the G11 for more info. It seems like a GREAT idea, if it could be refined to be more workable and reliable. The propellant is molded around the bullet, so as it ignites and burns, the bullet goes down the barrel, and there is no case to eject, making rapid-fire occur with much greater speed. Apparently, in trials, the G11 was able to put 3-round bursts on target in the same time it took to put one M16 round on the target. Pretty slick idea, really.

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Hello Mike,

Quite right about me confusing the Aug for the G11.

--Anthony

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By the way, thanks to Anthony AND Wulf for bringing this up, because I'd heard of caseless before, but never looked into it or knew what the idea was behind it. Now I've learned something new, and am intrigued!

It has me wondering if maybe caseless might not be best suited to something like a sniper rifle. Low rate of fire, less weight (no metal casings), more ammo in less space, lower weight of ammo that you carry with you, etc. PLUS the added bonus of not having to police up your empties to keep from leaving any trace. :)

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Hello Mike,

Quite right about me confusing the Aug for the G11.

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Hey, I had no idea until I started Googling it!

I *DO* find a few mentions of a caseless Steyr, though, so it seems that they fiddled with the idea, or maybe intended it to be such a weapon, but it looks like they've ended up just going with standard cased ammo. My local "fun store" (I mean "gun store"

) always has a couple Steyrs on display, for sale for the low, low price of $1895.00 each. A bit out of my range, but a fairly unique-looking piece of kit nonetheless...

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:59 AM

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Hello,

I think we all know an expensive gun we like to drool over, but will never be able to justify the expense for.

For me, with my nostalgia fetish, it's the Thompson Submachinegun with a 50 or 100 round drum. The old fashioned drum-fed gangster style, not the WWII service style built more economically and usually fed by stick magazines. I like the fancy one with the ribbed barrel and the wooden furniture and foregrip. If I had one, I'd take it out shooting once per year. I'd buy 2 or 4 boxes of .45 ammo, and one cigar. The cigar wouldn't be for smoking, but rather to chomp on as I aimed at a sand dune and let rip. Possibly while muttering, "Take that, you dirty rat."

There's a little Wulf in all of us, I fear. ;-)

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:03 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

You Americans, and your cool gun talk...

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:16 PM

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I think we all know an expensive gun we like to drool over, but will never be able to justify the expense for.

Dang, just ONE? Mine would probably be a real Dragunov 7.62x54r. Reach out and touch someone, even 600 yards away. :)

And after watching Top Shot on History Channel, I'm kind of craving a Tokarev SVT-40:

Same 7.62x54r cartridge as the "Noisy Nagant" and the Romak PSL (aka "Poor Man's Dragunov"), so that commonality it nice for me. Since I buy ammo by the thousands, I like to have at least a couple different weapons of each caliber to feed it to.

I kinda had my eye on my dad's FN/FAL .308, but my brother beat me to it. It's expensive to run, but it was quite nastily accurate at 200 yards. Not that I'd ever have much use for that kind of range, but I tend to think in layers of defense. Further is better in a zombie apocalypse. :)

And yes, there's something visceral about a Tommy gun, something irresistible to anyone who grew up watching old "Untouchables" reruns. And yes on the drum mag and the fancier furniture, of course.

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Hello,

Ah, the FN-FAL. I've never seen one in person, but I spent much of my childhood 'shooting' one.

In early editions of Cyberpunk, the FN-FAL was among the best weapons of the game. Great range, hugely damaging, very accurate, and fully automatic. The included short story at the back of the book even had a hero character pulling one out in a firefight with a vehicle, saying: "I was in the war. I like lead. Lots of lead." Then he blazes away, giving tit for tat against an aerial battle platform.

I hear it's a spiffy gun in real life, too. ;-)

I suspect a lot of our weapon preferences are influenced by the entertainment we enjoyed as children. I clearly watched too many westerns and prohibition era crime dramas. And into this primordial soup of carnage came my Dad's stories of Cold War events. Goes a long way towards suggesting why I invest most of my gun money into impractical relics.

My brand new Mossberg 500, built from a design established in 1961, is my most modern piece. It breaks with my tradition of owning weapons that are at least 50 years old in design. But next year it'll be kosher again. :-)

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 3:37 PM

I was surprised by the FAL's accuracy, that's for sure. And by its relative lack of kick, considering the size of the round it's spitting out. It'd be nice, if the ammo were more affordable.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010 8:03 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Ah yes, good ole Thompson M1928 w/100rnd Drum, the Chicago Piano...

You do realize if you really did full burst the mag you would have to replace the barrel afterwords, and would prolly have a jam due to overheating, right ?

Four round bursts with a pause, is the way to go, and much better with the Cutts compensator on there.

As for caseless - you wanna talk SERIOUS caseless action, there's Metalstorm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Storm

For more practical use, stuff like the 3GL launcher, 3 shots under the barrel, and replaces the M203 and it's little problem of hanging the firing pin, thus blowing your hand off when you load it.

And so forth, and so on.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:54 AM