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What a Diffence a Year Makes (Fox re: the Community Center)

POSTED BY: HKCAVALIER
UPDATED: Saturday, August 21, 2010 07:10
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Friday, August 20, 2010 2:51 PM

HKCAVALIER



I have Jon Stewart to thank for alerting me to this footage. "I like what you're trying to do," says Laura Ingraham to Daisy Khan, wife of Imam Rauf. Less than a year ago this was a human interest story. What has changed in the 8 months since this interview aired? What terrible evidence of evil intent has come to light? Nothin'. The GOP just wants to scare us now that there's an election around the corner.

HKCavalier

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Friday, August 20, 2010 2:54 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hey, Cav, I posted about that (sans the actual interview) in another thread. Nobody even commented on it. I hope they take note of you mentioning it, because it does illustrate the entire broo-ha-ha: Prior to ONE warped individual pushing a point of view, few if any had any problem with this. Now it's a national controversy. It's a CREATED issue, a political ploy, nothing more, and a sad statement about how easy it is to manipulate the American public.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Friday, August 20, 2010 3:18 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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"I like what you're trying to do," says Laura Ingraham to Daisy Khan, wife of Imam Rau





I think that was before folks realized who Daisy's hubby was, and what he had said about the 9/11 attacks.


" United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened (on 9/11)...Because we have been accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying in the world.....in fact, in the most direct sense, Obama bin Laden is made in the USA."





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Saturday, August 21, 2010 6:23 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by HKCavalier:


I have Jon Stewart to thank for alerting me to this footage. "I like what you're trying to do," says Laura Ingraham to Daisy Khan, wife of Imam Rauf. Less than a year ago this was a human interest story. What has changed in the 8 months since this interview aired? What terrible evidence of evil intent has come to light? Nothin'. The GOP just wants to scare us now that there's an election around the corner.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.




"I like what you are trying to do" Laura is talking about the moderate stance and assimilation of their Muslims in America. I'm not sure the GOP is scaring people to make it an issue in November. I think the GOP realized that the vast majority of Americans were lining up against this being built and jumped on board. Are they using it politically? Of course that is what politicians do.

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Saturday, August 21, 2010 6:45 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

It's so very simple.

A Christian Coalition building a Community Outreach Center and Chapel would be widely embraced. There is no strong public sentiment against Christians.

An identical Muslim project is denounced and used as a political lever.

The difference is the religion. In another country at another time it might have been Jews instead of Muslims. Because in that country, at that time, people could be leveraged into hating Jews.

And instead of denouncing this brand of hatred, we rally around it. Muslims attacked us. Muslims want to build a victory Mosque. This is not a war against Terror in Afghanistan or Iraq.

It is a war being fought on the streets of New York.

It is being waged in the fearful corner of American hearts.

The Terrorists crashed into our better natures, and they accomplished what they came to do.

They made us feel Terror.

They made us feel Hate.

They made us Lose.

The 'Victory Mosque' of the Terrorists isn't in New York. They built it upon our souls, and we pray there every day.

--Anthony



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Saturday, August 21, 2010 7:10 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I disagree that all this fuss came about because the American people realized what was happening. I posted it before, but here it is again:
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Pamela Geller, a right-wing, viciously anti-Muslim, conspiracy-mongering blogger, whose sinister portrayal of the project was embraced by Rupert Murdoch's New York Post. The Post runs a story under the inaccurate headline, "Panel Approves 'WTC' Mosque." Geller is less subtle, titling her post that day, "Monster Mosque Pushes Ahead in Shadow of World Trade Center Islamic Death and Destruction." She writes on her Atlas Shrugs blog, "This is Islamic domination and expansionism. The location is no accident. Just as Al-Aqsa was built on top of the Temple in Jerusalem." (To get an idea of where Geller is coming from, she once suggested that Malcolm X was Obama's real father. Seriously.)

--May 7, 2010: Geller's group, Stop Islamization of America (SIOA), launches "Campaign Offensive: Stop the 911 Mosque!" (SIOA 's associate director is Robert Spencer, who makes his living writing and speaking about the evils of Islam.) Geller posts the names and contact information for the mayor and members of the community board, encouraging people to write. The board chair later reports getting "hundreds and hundreds" of calls and e-mails from around the world.

--May 8, 2010: Geller announces SIOA's first protest against what she calls the "911 monster mosque" for May 29. (She also says that the protest will mark the dark day of "May 29, 1453, [when] the Ottoman forces led by the Sultan Mehmet II broke through the Byzantine defenses against the Muslim siege of Constantinople.")

--May 13, 2010: Peyser follows up with an entire column devoted to "Mosque Madness at Ground Zero." This is a significant moment in the development of the "ground zero mosque" narrative: It's the first newspaper article that frames the project as inherently wrong and suspect, in the way that Geller has been framing it for months. Peyser in fact quotes Geller at length and promotes the anti-mosque protest of Stop Islamization of America, which Peyser describes as a "human-rights group." Peyser also reports — falsely — that Cordoba House's opening date will be Sept. 11, 2011.

Starting that very day, the mosque story spread through the conservative — and then mainstream — media like fire through dry grass.

And here we are. The bottom line of this story is that it's a well-conceived, well-implemented campaign to utilize the building of a community center with a mosque in it as a way to gin up hatred and division and appeal to the fear and anti-Islamic feelings of people in America.

Until she started all this, there was no problem, as is shown even on Fox News.

I would bet money, and I would like to believe, that the American people, if they had learned about it n some other way, would have applauded the building of bridges and the idea of the COMMUNITY CENTER. The fact that even Fox News was positive about it, and no fuss ensued (as you are always reminding us, their viewership is enormous and mostly conservatives), UNTIL Geller got her nose in it, then they switched around to demonizing it. The American people were MANIPULATED, pure and simple.

For five MONTHS after Fox News' POSITIVE interview regarding the COMMUNITY CENTER, none of their viewers spoke up and raised a fuss about it. Only when Geller and her cronies started putting up headlines and defaming it, did it become a controversy. Explain that, because I don't believe you can. If their viewership had negative feelings about the COMMUNITY CENTER, surely it would have erupted before five long months and Geller's attacks.

I agree with Anthony. GELLER and the terrorists won in that they helped us show our worse nature, the intolerance, fear and hatred of which we are capable, which they have used ever since to say "See? We told you they were hateful, they've confirmed everything we've been saying about them."

We have given them a victory from our own baser nature. We have taken something which should have been a slap back in their faces and shown we are better than they, and turned it into a slap in our own faces. We have given them a propaganda tool of immense value. We have shown them that they can terrorize us, make us fear them so much that we see frightening things where there never were any. Congratulations, America!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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