Quote:

---

Byte was suggesting a useful turnabout, using their own rules and concepts to encourage them to lay their heads on the chopping block FOR us

---

Quote:

---

America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor, and poor Americans are urged to hate themselves To quote the American humorist Kin Hubbard, 'It ain't no disgrace to be poor, but might as well be.' It is in fact a crime for an American to be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by the American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters. The meanest eating or drinking establishment, owned by a man who is himself poor, is very likely to have a sign on its wall asking this cruel question: 'If you're so smart, why ain't You rich? ' There will also be an American flag no larger than a child's hand-glued to a lollipop stick and, flying from the cash register....

Americans, like human beings everywhere, believe many things that are obviously untrue, the monograph went on. Their most destructive untruth is that it is very easy for any American to make money. They will not acknowledge how in fact hard money is to come by, and, therefore, those who have no money blame and blame and blame themselves. This inward blame has been a treasure for the rich and powerful, who have had to do less for their poor, publicly and privately, than any other ruling class since, say, Napoleonic times.

Many novelties have come from America. The most startling of these, a thing without precedent, is a mass of undignified poor. They do not love one another because they do not love themselves. Once this is understood the disagreeable behavior of American enlisted men in German prisons ceases to be a mystery.

...Every other army in history, prosperous or not, has attempted to clothe even its lowliest soldiers so as to make them impressive to themselves and others as stylish experts in drinking and copulation and looting and sudden death. The American Army, however, sends its enlisted men out to fight and die in a modified business suit quite evidently made for another man, a sterilized but unpressed gift from a nose-holding charity which passes out clothing to drunks in the slums.

When a dashingly-clad officer addresses such a frumpishly dressed bum, he scolds him, as an officer in an army must. But the officer's contempt is not, as in 'other armies, avuncular theatricality. It is a genuine expression of hatred for the poor, who have no one to blame for their misery but themselves.

A prison administrator dealing with captured American enlisted men for the first time should be warned: Expect no brotherly love, even between brothers. There will be no cohesion between the individuals. Each will be a sulky child who often wishes he were dead.... They were known everywhere to be the most self-pitying, least fraternal and dirtiest of all prisoners of war... They were incapable of concerted action on their own behalf. They despised any leader from among their own number, refused to follow or even listen to him, on the grounds that he was no better than they were, that he should stop putting on airs.

---

Quote:

---

A large portion of the population doesn't think that THIS "gubmint" is the problem, but that ALL gubmint is bad. And who do you suppose has been funding that line of thought? Corporations. (I'm not talking metaphorically or generally. Groups like Koch Industries and the Chamber of Commerce have been working for YEARS, spending billions of dollars to dismantle the government.)

---

Quote:

---

We are facing problems that require the coordinated efforts of hundreds of millions to solve effectively. Nothing else will work: not small bands of people trying to create a "new society", not small groups of survivalists, not people who think they are going to (somehow) "trick" the wealthy into giving up their power.

---

Quote:

---

Byte, I too am dismayed and horrified by the “corporation as person” decision. Like you, I think if they’re going to get the “right” of being able to spend millions on getting the candidates they want elected, then they should get every single “responsibility” individual people get, along with it.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Klesst:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SignyM:
look guys, I'm fed up and disgusted. The right-wingers, they're a lost cause. May as well clean house with a machine gun.*

"When economies collapse, governments follow".

You don't seem to realize how close to fascism we are. And things are only going to get worse. Fires in Russia and Brazil, floods in Pakistan and China, killer heat on the East Coast and 97 deg water temps near Aceh, with massive coral bleaching.

---

I think I've heard something similar before.

You still don't get it, do you? they'll find you! That's what they do! It's ALL they do! You can't stop them! They'll wade through you! They'll reach down your throat and tear your fuckin' heart out! Listen, and understand. Those right wingers are out there. They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by kaneman:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by two:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by kaneman:
I love that this is an economic thread about how shitty our economy is and at the same time a Liberal circle-jerk(minus Byte). I find it hilarious that conservatives are keeping away from this thread...we are laughing our asses off. And will join this thread in early November. Your President Sucks, his economic policies suck, or is all Bush's fault?....you decide......Squirt.

---

Now, it’s arguable that even in early 2009, when President Obama was at the peak of his popularity, he couldn’t have gotten a bigger plan through the Senate. And he certainly couldn’t pass a supplemental stimulus now. So officials could, with considerable justification, place the onus for the non-recovery on Republican obstructionism. But they’ve chosen, instead, to draw smiley faces on a grim picture, convincing nobody. And the likely result in November — big gains for the obstructionists — will paralyze policy for years to come.

---

You are using the word "obstructionists" as if it is a bad thing. I feel they are trying to do the right thing by obstructing a monstrous federal bureaucracy(with political points earned ). Putting trillion of debt on my children is unacceptable. That is why we have a tea party movement...it is non-partisan movement (despite what the MSM tells you or FOX for that matter). we railed against Bush and voted for Ron Paul.

That there is a tea party caucus is huge. However, all big government types are going to go in the next 20 years...this is just the beginning the "middle" has awoken. We do not want Obama and we do not want Bush.....call it what you will....

---

Quote:

---

The plans and schemes of tyrants are broken by many things. They shatter against cliffs of heroic struggle. They rupture on reefs of open resistance. And they are slowly eroded, bit by little bit, on the very beaches where they measure triumph, by countless grains of sand. By the stubborn little decencies of humble little men.
-In the Heart of Darkness: David Drake/Eric Flint.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by out2theblack:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/THE-AGE-OF-MAMMON-by-Jim-Quinn-100830
-719.html

---