How To Squander A Lead by Jongsstraw

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

I hate to disagree (

), but I have to on this one.

I still don't doubt that the Republicans have a very good chance of taking the House in a couple months. I agree, however, that they probably aren't going to sweep to an overwhelming victory as some seem to believe. They'll likely pick up a few Senate seats, but not a majority, and they'll definitely pick up some House seats, quite possibly a majority, but certainly not a veto-proof majority.

I don't necessarily see any of that as a *bad* thing, though. I despise rubber-stamp Congresses, because that is historically where we get in the most trouble in this country, be it getting involved in needless, pointless, endless wars of our own choosing, or just enacting disastrous economic policies. Bill Clinton did six years with an opposition Congress, and it's not as if NOTHING was accomplished; it just makes it more likely that the things that are passed are things that really NEED to be passed, and it cuts down on some of the knucklehead stuff.

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:37 AM

JONGSSTRAW

I'm very impressed with your post. I would not have thought that you would even care to respond to a post that was about the projected Republican political advantage, nor this Conservative's loss of confidence based on what he sees as self-destructive behavior by Republicans. But you did, and you did a great job of analyzing it fairly.

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:01 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Fortunately, we have Obama's flip flop on the ground zero Mosque issue, Reid's racially divisive remarks about how no Hispanics could ever vote Republican,.... for those paying attention, i think issues, more than anything, will win the day for the GOP.

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:31 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I'm very impressed with your post. I would not have thought that you would even care to respond to a post that was about the projected Republican political advantage, nor this Conservative's loss of confidence based on what he sees as self-destructive behavior by Republicans. But you did, and you did a great job of analyzing it fairly.

Jongsie, it does me no harm to admit the obvious: Democrats are in a really shitty position, but not nearly as bad off as they could have been. The recent events and gaffes you pointed out have been an absolute GIFT to the Democrats.

Now, instead of having to answer questions like "Where's our fuckin' JOBS, asshole?!", Dems get to point out that Republicans are indeed the "big tent" party - if the tent is shaped like a Klansman's white hood, that is. The Republicans have tried to say that they're "inclusive" and "diverse", but in this year have done their level best to make damn sure that everyone in this country knows full well that they hate black people, they hate Muslims (ALL Muslims), they hate Hispanics, they hate women, they hate gays, and most of all, they hate the poor and the middle class.

Now, do I think that all conservatives actually hate all those groups and all those individuals? Of course not, but that's the impression they've put out there, and that's the message that middle America is taking from them.

John Boehner is out there trying to convince people that giving special treatment to those very special people who already make over $250,000 per year (individually - for couples it goes to $500,000 annually) is really what they most need, because they've been hit so hard by the economic downturn they engineered, and they might not be able to afford a new Benz if the other 98% of us don't help them out.

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:33 AM

By the way, Newt is now flip-flopping and trying to walk back his remarks in which he equated all Muslims to Nazis. So if a flip-flop is a political boon this season, Thank You, Newt, you slimy bottom-dwelling garbage eater. ;)

And now RNC chairman Michael Steele (great porn name; apparently "Brock Landers" was already taken!

) is trying to backtrack and flip-flop on the GOP's "official" stance on Arizona's Papers Please law.

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

A pox on both their houses, basically.

Actually, I fear more some of the people you mentioned being in POWER than I do either party per se. There is such absurdity running around, such DANGEROUS absurdity, that I'm not sure what to think.

The Dems have turned out to be easily-manipulated, ball-less eunichs. The Reps seem to be putting up the most out-worldly, fringy fanatics that they're terrifying. NEITHER wants to reach across the aisle...well, the Dems "caved" to a lot of stuff, but it didn't do any good and I'm not sure how they reach across the aisle the way things are now.

Negative campaigning sucks, but seems to have always been effective. I'm sick to death of it. If neither side wants to tell us what they'll DO, rather than how awful the other side is, it's just a mess...and that seems to be what's happening.

I'm not sure what to expect, in fact I have few expectations these days. The Dems, you're right, have the perfect opportunity to avoid losing any more seats than necessary, but they, too, would need to SHUT UP and let the whackos on the right herd everyone their way. They're being herded, but the Dems aren't utilizing anything that could make that to their advantage.

I guess my only remaining prayer is that, whoever gets majority in whichever house, some of those you have listed do NOT get elected. If enough of them are, gawd help this country...and to think I didn't believe it could get any worse once Bush was gone. I waaaay underestimated the Republicans' ability to manipulate and set the agenda, as well as just HOW dirty they'd play and how people's frustrations with an economy Bush got us INTO could be turned into hatred of things totally unreal (like Obama being Muslim, not being born here, being Nazi, etc., etc.).

I don't think whichever side wins, that it will improve the country much, at least in the short term. If we could only get moderates on both sides who would work TOGETHER...

but it seems to be going in the opposite direction, on both sides...

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:40 AM

WHOZIT

Nancy (Botox face) Pelosi wants the DOJ to investigate the people who are donating money to run adds against the club house for Jew haters. That nut has the power to do things, Newt, Sarah and the Republicans don't.

When the Republicans take back the House I WILL LAUGH AT YOUR PAIN!!!

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:05 PM

How to squander a lead? Elect Obama and let the lib majority do their thing...That is how you SQUANDER a lead...see you in November. Hilarious.

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:52 PM

Did I end another thread with common sense?

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:41 PM

I'm kinda mystified by the prevailing think about the upcoming election. I've yet to see the GOP take any kind of lead--leading isn't their style nowadays, tripping the other runner is their style.

The GOP seems to be suffering, bleeding out, even. They have NO national face--no identity. What, Palin? Gingrich? Youch. The GOP's been more or less wholly co-opted by the extreme right, aka "the base." Every single "tea party candidate" is heading for a loss in a general election, right? You mobilize the folk who agree with "NO!" and you don't get any candidates that anyone is really gonna get excited about saying "YES!" to. Candidates REQUIRE such excitement to get 'em elected. "NO!" can trip up the Dem's, sure, scare 'em into abandoning their cause, but it's not a recipe for an electoral sweep.

You can't win a national election just by saying the other guy sucks. You have to bring something positive to the table. And no one knows that better than the current leader of the Democratic Party, Barack Obama. The polling is bound to be misleading in this case for one reason: the trouble with polls is that negatives, the "disapproval" numbers, are always inflated owing to the fact that malcontents are always more mouthy, more motivated to make their voices heard, than people who find the status quo more acceptable--just ask anyone who works in customer service.

Republicans HAVE GOT to put something actually positive, hopeful, perceptibly practicable forward if they're to have a prayer of winning much of anything this November.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Republicans HAVE GOT to put something actually positive, hopeful, perceptibly practicable forward if they're to have a prayer of winning much of anything this November.

*cue howling, mocking laughter*

-F

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:38 PM

DMAANLILEILTT

I would say the best way to squander a lead is to NOT call a double dissolution election when you have the chance and are up 76%-24% in the polls and instead decide to introduce policies that might cause some controversy a few months from when an election is due.

Also dumping your leader three months out is a BAD idea.

"I really am ruggedly handsome, aren't I?"

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Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:14 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The Dems have lost their base by pandering to banks, insurances, military-industrial complex, Chamber of Commerce, and anyone else they could possibly sell their *ss to. They torpedoed their own populists in the primaries so they could have a bunch of nice, "safe" incumbents on the ticket in fall when what they REALLY should have been doing is pushing candidates like Grayson front and center.

Talking about confidence and hope isn't going to calm people down when their JOBS are on the line. We're looking at a double-dip recession, folks. And Obama's done dick-all to stop it, and I think in their guts people know that.

So now you have a bunch of folks who are really riled up and not thinking clearly, and you can lead them down any merry path you choose: just get a red cape, paint "Muslim" or "illegal immigrant" or "gubmint" on it, wave it around, and let people charge down that path. Economic instability like this IS a recipe for fascism... Germans voted for it back when, and Americans are voting for it now.

What I find head-bangingly stoopid is that people are voting for billionaire/multi-millionaire candidates. Who the frak do they think sold them down the river in the first place? Who do they think exported the jobs, voted themselves big fat bonuses, preferential tax treatments, and screwed them over on their health insurances?

The only reason why the Dems can't point that out is because they're in the pockets of big business too. It just wouldn't do, you see, to alienate your biggest donors.

Frankly, at this point I don't care if Sarah Palin is elected President. If I can't find a good candidate to vote for on my side of the ticket, I'm not gonna vote for the lesser of two weevils. I've jumped tracks before, and I'll be more than happy to do it again, The Dems need an effing big wakeup kick in the pants.

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Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:19 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I'm kinda mystified by the prevailing think about the upcoming election. I've yet to see the GOP take any kind of lead--leading isn't their style nowadays, tripping the other runner is their style.

The GOP seems to be suffering, bleeding out, even. They have NO national face--no identity. What, Palin? Gingrich? Youch. The GOP's been more or less wholly co-opted by the extreme right, aka "the base." Every single "tea party candidate" is heading for a loss in a general election, right? You mobilize the folk who agree with "NO!" and you don't get any candidates that anyone is really gonna get excited about saying "YES!" to. Candidates REQUIRE such excitement to get 'em elected. "NO!" can trip up the Dem's, sure, scare 'em into abandoning their cause, but it's not a recipe for an electoral sweep.

You can't win a national election just by saying the other guy sucks. You have to bring something positive to the table. And no one knows that better than the current leader of the Democratic Party, Barack Obama. The polling is bound to be misleading in this case for one reason: the trouble with polls is that negatives, the "disapproval" numbers, are always inflated owing to the fact that malcontents are always more mouthy, more motivated to make their voices heard, than people who find the status quo more acceptable--just ask anyone who works in customer service.

Republicans HAVE GOT to put something actually positive, hopeful, perceptibly practicable forward if they're to have a prayer of winning much of anything this November.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

Their "face" is that mass of people carrying signs everywhere you go. That is the way it should be..the people. And, I think if you pay attention this weekend you will see that "face" aplenty. Maybe not on MSM who try to ignore and demonize thousands of people assembling in Washington. Watch closely and you can't miss the "face" of the GOP...It may even look like your mother or neighbor.

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Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:22 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Quote:

Retrieved from Merriam-Signy Dictionary:

Sarah Palin - (n) 1. an effing big kick in the pants.

I'm not entirely sure she's controllable by even her own taskmasters. Surely it's not possible for someone like that to be actually dangerous, is it? Would government just stop legislating for 4 years as Congress recoils in collective horror?

That might be a good thing...

--Anthony

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Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Watch closely and you can't miss the "face" of the GOP...It may even look like your mother or neighbor.

Or any other head-bangingly white bigot who thinks with their guts instead of their brains. Just bc the Dems are a bunch of quisling morons doesn't make the Repubs any better. It's just that the Repubs have managed to capture a significant group of proto-fascists.

Oh, and for you liberals who think that inertia is going to capture the day... It was unthinkable until 2008 that the whole economic system would collapse. (Unthinkable for most people, that is.) The fact that liberals are crossing their fingers and are "hoping" that Republican fascists... those right-wingers who merge billionaire corporatism with tyrannical Christian government... don't win many elections... Has it not occurred to you that the mere fact that there are enough energized proto-fascists out there to constitute a political forces is in itself a danger sign?

When an economy collapses, governments are not far behind. The ONLY thing that's going to make things right is swift effective government action to create jobs and get the economy going again. I know that there are some on the board who have "X"ed government out as a force for good. And then they run into the arms of the "great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money."

www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/12697/64796
Good choice!

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Thursday, August 26, 2010 7:36 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
Watch closely and you can't miss the "face" of the GOP...It may even look like your mother or neighbor.
Or any other head-bangingly white bigot who thinks with their guts instead of their brains. Just bc the Dems are a bunch of quisling morons doesn't make the Repubs any better. It's just that the Repubs have managed to capture a significant group of proto-fascists.

Oh, and for you liberals who think that inertia is going to capture the day... It was unthinkable until 2008 that the whole economic system would collapse. (Unthinkable for most people, that is.) The fact that liberals are crossing their fingers and are "hoping" that Republican fascists... those right-wingers who merge billionaire corporatism with tyrannical Christian government... don't win many elections... Has it not occurred to you that the mere fact that there are enough energized proto-fascists out there to constitute a political forces is in itself a danger sign?

When an economy collapses, governments are not far behind. The ONLY thing that's going to make things right is swift effective government action to create jobs and get the economy going again. I know that there are some on the board who have "X"ed government out as a force for good. And then they run into the arms of the "great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money."

www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/12697/64796
Good choice!

Silly post. Lost me at White bigots, surely you can't believe that. As for economic calapse google what Ron Paul has said for years. It is the fiat monetary system that allows our politicians to spend what ever they want. Libs and GOP alike. End the FED and all is good. Can't spend what ya don't have...Google the start of the FED and deficits...amazing shit.

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Thursday, August 26, 2010 7:49 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Republicans HAVE GOT to put something actually positive, hopeful, perceptibly practicable forward if they're to have a prayer of winning much of anything this November.

*cue howling, mocking laughter*

-F

Wait, it gets better...

http://www.thechicagodope.com/2010/08/16/republicans-introduce-%E2%80%
9Ckill-the-economy-plan%E2%80%9D/

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Republicans Introduce “Kill the Economy” Plan
By
Marcus Manfred

Congressional Republicans unveiled a plan on Monday that they said would hurt the nation’s economy, benefit the wealthy at the expense of the middle class and add billions to the national debt.

The move is a continuation of Republican policies during the Bush administration and part of a plan they hope will lead to rising voter dissatisfaction and Republican gains at the ballot box.

“Remember how we racked up huge deficits during the Bush years, gave billions to the wealthy and let the middle class fall behind? Well, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet,” House Minority Leader John Boehner (R- Ohio) said. “We’re going to drive those unemployment and deficit numbers up so high that the American people will be voting Republican until they realize we screwed them over once again.”

Okay, I know it's supposed to just be satirical, in the style of The Onion, but honestly, I can't really find anything in the article that doesn't ring true. Sure, a couple of the direct quotes from Republicans are made up, but to paraphrase Rushbaugh, "We know they THINK it."

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Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Cav, I agree. But bear in mind, negative campaigning WORKS. People are scared and angry, so the opposite of whatever exists sounds GOOD, even if you have to ignore some extremes along with it. It’s a toss-up; the Dems have screwed up royally, but the GOP seems equally able to “snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory” at this point by the candidates they’re letting the Monster they’ve loosed put up. Fear and hate can be used to gain power, but you better watch out if you’re not able to control it; you may be sorry if you get what you “asked for”.

Amen Sig:

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So now you have a bunch of folks who are really riled up and not thinking clearly, and you can lead them down any merry path you choose: just get a red cape, paint "Muslim" or "illegal immigrant" or "gubmint" on it, wave it around, and let people charge down that path. Economic instability like this IS a recipe for fascism... Germans voted for it back when, and Americans are voting for it now.

But I would qualify it to say that the “facism” being currently put up may not be as powerful as they hope (and I fear); it’s the Republicans who have got their people charging down that path, there is so far no proof that all the American people will follow them. One can still hope.

If Palin were to get in power, I think the price the country would pay would be far more awful than just giving the Dems a kick in the pants, unfortunately. Now, a raging defeat of every one of the fringe candidates the Tea Party has given the nomination, that would be a good thing, but it wouldn’t, unfortunately, teach the Dems a damned thing.

The “face” I expect to see this weekend is Messianic Glen Beck, wallowing in his own self-importance and continuing to spout his hate- and fear-mongering line. To quote Beck himself:

Quote:
‘I’m a rodeo clown,’ he said in an interview, adding with a coy smile, “It takes great skill.” “He added later: “I say on the air all time, ‘if you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot.’“

That’s one that blows my mind. The country is in an uproar over a COMMUNITY CENTER in New York, saying Ground Zero is “hollowed ground”. Yet nobody gives a shit about Beck holding a self-serving rally which will be about hate and fear and intolerance on TRULY hollowed ground of the Lincoln Memorial, where the Dream speech was given, something virtually the whole country respects, on the SAME DAY. It shows how far down America has come, and how piteously.

What you will see is a bunch of angry people, angry and ugly signs, few (if any) Black or Hispanic faces, and speakers spouting nothing but things which are DIRECTLY opposite of the Dream speech. I weep for America.

Re: Palin

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I'm not entirely sure she's controllable by even her own taskmasters

She’s not, we’ve already seen that. I’m betting she wouldn’t run; the salary isn’t anything like what she’s making now, and just think of all the ACTUAL interviews and questions she’d have to face! I don’t think she’s particularly bright—-savvy, yes, and maybe more uneducated than actually stupid—-but I don’t think she’s THAT stupid!

Yes, Sig, I agree with what you said. Unless somehow the Dems can stir up enough people to get the fuck out there and VOTE, rather than sit home watching TV and laughing at the fringers thinking “they can’t possibly be elected”, we are in deeeep shit!

Quote:
Lost me at White bigots, surely you can't believe that

But Mike, the truth of things like that is what makes satire WORK!

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Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:18 AM

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Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:30 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Kaneman, I don't give a rat's ass what Ron Paul has said for years. He's wrong.

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Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:31 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by kaneman:
Did I end another thread with common sense?

Don't worry, no one would accuse you of that.

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Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Mike,

You just made me laugh corn chips out my nose. Ouch! And thank you. That picture is worth a thousand essays! It Can't Happen Here should be required reading in every high school in the country right about now.

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Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:01 PM

Cthulu 2012, why vote for a lesser evil ?

While I wholeheartedly agree with your well-deserved flaming of the demopansies, Siggy, the one ticket I would not only like to see, but actively root for, would involve Ron Paul cause I certainly wouldn't mind seeing him as a Veep to Grayson.

Grayson/Paul could completely sweep it, cause you'd get quite a few of the die hard lever pullers on either end and a huge chunk of the middle, and they have worked together on a lot of common sense reforms like HR5353.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:44 PM

Just found this from former Bush speech-writer Michael Gerson. He's not very optimistic about the Tea Party, and here's why:
http://patriotpost.us/opinion/michael-gerson/2010/08/25/three-question
s-for-the-tea-party/

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Sunday, August 29, 2010 1:50 PM

CANTTAKESKY

OMG. I would totally vote for Grayson/Paul 2012.

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Sunday, August 29, 2010 2:38 PM

Hell, MOST of us here would, that's why I keep mentioning it, cause it's hands-down the best idea for a turn-around from the brink we're headed off, and a chance to start healing the rifts between political viewpoints and stop lobbing bombs across em.

If they did it, no one else would stand a chance.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:03 PM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Just found this from former Bush speech-writer Michael Gerson. He's not very optimistic about the Tea Party, and here's why:
http://patriotpost.us/opinion/michael-gerson/2010/08/25/three-question
s-for-the-tea-party/

Sorry, I should have posted more details along with the link. Basically, Gerson poses three questions for the Tea Party:

1.) Do you believe that Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional?

2.) Do you believe that American identity is undermined by immigration?

3.) Do you believe that gun rights are relevant to the health care debate?

So, if you answer yes to any of these questions, Gerson thinks you're bound to lose. And, as far as I can tell, these are all fundamental Tea Party (as it exists today) positions. So, how again are the Tea Party candidates supposed to win in a general election?

Oh, and GRAYSON/PAUL '12!!!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Monday, August 30, 2010 3:48 AM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
OMG. I would totally vote for Grayson/Paul 2012.

Those two are 180 degrees apart on every issue but the FED. Never going to happen.

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Monday, August 30, 2010 8:48 AM

CANTTAKESKY

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Originally posted by kaneman:
Never going to happen.

We can still dream.

----
Grayson/Paul '12

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Monday, August 30, 2010 9:00 AM

CANTTAKESKY

On a more serious note, Grayson is not my ideal president. (If we were speaking of ideals, I wouldn't even have a president...but that's a different dream.)

SO. If he and Paul were to be able to work together for 4 years on nothing but cleaning up the Fed, they would have done America a big service.

Sure, I say get them working on the one thing they do agree on. Maybe two roommates will disagree about how to layout their home, but if they can agree long enough to get the rotting corpse out of the house, they can argue about the minor stuff later.

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Grayson/Paul '12. Clean up the Fed.

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Monday, August 30, 2010 9:02 AM

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Originally posted by kaneman:
Those two are 180 degrees apart on every issue but the FED. Never going to happen.

Only in your twisted little mind - you MIGHT look at how many bills they co-sponsored, you MIGHT look at how fiscal responsibility, limited government, an end to imperialism and flat common sense should be universal principles, but that both of em are willing to buck their own damn party to hold to them.

The only reason you don't see it, is the same reason you are blind to the fact that the GOP has, itself, also committed every single offense you flame the Dems for, that those parties are two sides of the same ugly face.

Partisanship.

And stupidity of course, that cause it just wouldn't be right NOT to insult you, you bein a masochist and all...

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, August 30, 2010 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:
Those two are 180 degrees apart on every issue but the FED. Never going to happen.

Only in your twisted little mind - you MIGHT look at how many bills they co-sponsored, you MIGHT look at how fiscal responsibility, limited government, an end to imperialism and flat common sense should be universal principles, but that both of em are willing to buck their own damn party to hold to them.

The only reason you don't see it, is the same reason you are blind to the fact that the GOP has, itself, also committed every single offense you flame the Dems for, that those parties are two sides of the same ugly face.

Partisanship.

And stupidity of course, that cause it just wouldn't be right NOT to insult you, you bein a masochist and all...

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

I'm the dumb-ass you one-legged cock-sucker? Have a look

ALAN GRAYSON's voting record

03/25/2009 Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009
HR 146 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(285 - 140)
03/11/2009 Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009
S 22 Y Bill Failed - House
(282 - 144)

Budget, Spending and Taxes
(Back to top)
Date Bill Title Vote Outcome
07/30/2010 Tax Law Amendments
HR 5982 Y Bill Failed - House
(241 - 154)
07/27/2010 Fiscal Year 2009-2010 Supplemental Appropriations
HR 4899 NV Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(308 - 114)
07/22/2010 Unemployment Benefits Extension
HR 4213 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(272 - 152)
07/01/2010 Deeming Supplemental Military Appropriations Passed and Allowing Divided Question
H Res 1500 N Bill Passed - House
(215 - 210)
07/01/2010 Fiscal Year 2009-2010 Supplemental Appropriations
HR 4899 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(239 - 182)
07/01/2010 Limiting Afghanistan Military Funding to Withdrawal and Other Specified Purposes
HR 4899 Y Concurrence Vote Failed - House
(100 - 321)
07/01/2010 Requiring Timetable for Withdrawal from Afghanistan
HR 4899 Y Concurrence Vote Failed - House
(162 - 260)
06/17/2010 Establishing Small Business Lending Fund and Amending Tax Laws
HR 5297 Y Bill Passed - House
(241 - 182)
05/28/2010 Unemployment Benefits Extension and Tax Law Amendments
HR 4213 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(215 - 204)
05/28/2010 2010-2011 Defense Appropriation Authorizations
HR 5136 Y Bill Passed - House
(229 - 186)
05/28/2010 Science and Technology Funding
HR 5116 Y Bill Passed - House
(262 - 150)
05/27/2010 Removing Funding for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter's Alternate Engine Program
H Amdt 661 Y Amendment Rejected - House
(193 - 231)
05/19/2010 Science and Technology Funding
HR 5325 Y Bill Failed - House
(261 - 148)
05/06/2010 Telework Policies and Regulations for Federal Agencies
HR 1722 Y Bill Failed - House
(268 - 147)
04/27/2010 Prohibiting 2010- 2011 Congressional Cost-of-Living Pay Increase
HR 5146 Y Bill Passed - House
(402 - 15)
See all key votes in Budget, Spending and Taxes

Business and Consumers
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Date Bill Title Vote Outcome
07/30/2010 Tax Law Amendments
HR 5982 Y Bill Failed - House
(241 - 154)
07/30/2010 Ending Moratorium on Deepwater Drilling Rigs that Meet Certain Safety Standards
H Amdt 773 N Amendment Adopted - House
(216 - 195)
07/22/2010 Unemployment Benefits Extension
HR 4213 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(272 - 152)
07/21/2010 Temporary Tariff Suspensions and Reductions
HR 4380 Y Bill Passed - House
(378 - 43)
07/15/2010 Flood Insurance Program Extension
HR 5114 Y Bill Passed - House
(329 - 90)
06/30/2010 Regulation and Oversight of the United States Financial System
HR 4173 Y Conference Report Adopted - House
(237 - 192)
06/17/2010 Establishing Small Business Lending Fund and Amending Tax Laws
HR 5297 Y Bill Passed - House
(241 - 182)
04/15/2010 Unemployment Benefits Extension
HR 4851 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(289 - 112)
12/11/2009 Regulation and Oversight of the United States Financial System
HR 4173 Y Bill Passed - House
(223 - 202)
11/19/2009 Revising Medicare Physician Fee Schedules and Reinstatement of PAYGO
HR 3961 Y Bill Passed - House
(243 - 183)
11/05/2009 Extending Federal Emergency Unemployment Benefits and Providing Business and Homebuyer Tax Credits
HR 3548 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(403 - 12)
10/07/2009 Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agency Appropriations Fiscal Year 2009-2010
HR 2997 Y Conference Report Adopted - House
(263 - 162)
07/31/2009 Supplemental Appropriations for the "Cash for Clunkers" Program
HR 3435 Y Bill Passed - House
(316 - 109)
07/30/2009 Food Safety Regulation Amendments
HR 2749 NV Bill Passed - House
(283 - 142)
06/26/2009 Energy and Environmental Law Amendments ("Cap and Trade")
HR 2454 Y Bill Passed - House
(219 - 212)
See all key votes in Business and Consumers

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RON PAUL voting record

Wherever Grayson voted yes put in No every single time.

Or go to PVSmart Ron puals record is to long to post...however I'll recap it for you NO

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Monday, August 30, 2010 3:52 PM

Sayin it don't make it true, Kaney-Waney, especially when I looked it up faster than you did, and it seems you're unable to wrap your brain around unpalatable facts no matter how obvious they are, huh ?

But maybe if you shout it loud enough, long enough, you can make it true, eh ?

I'd pay good money to see you try.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:34 AM