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Wednesday, September 1, 2010 12:57 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)




http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129584553

Kabul Bank on the verge of collapse as thousands of Afghans pull their money out. Seems the Karzai government, supported, bought and paid for by the U.S. government, was using lots and lots of that "foreign aid" money we sent them to buy vacation villas in Dubai for friends and family. Now, Dubai's real estate bubble has burst and collapsed, dragging the Afghan government and its biggest private bank down with it.

And we lucky Americans of course get to foot the bill, again. We're buying them vacation villas over there, so we don't have to buy them vacation villas over here, it would seem.

But yeah, it's our "freedoms" that Al Qaeda hates us for. Not for shit like this, which enriches dishonest fat-cat crime lords at the cost of the working Afghans and the working-class Americans. Sure... Keep telling yourselves that. [/sarcasm]

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Wednesday, September 1, 2010 3:28 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh don't even get me started...

Karzai aide accused of corruption is on CIA payroll
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hyRhWqC1zTPshoHL5JW
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Just like that shitheel Chalabi, ole "Curveball" hisself - and you notice that since he disappeared with all that fuckin money after telling us what we wanted to hear, not word one, right ?

Seriously, blaming these goons for taking advantage of our STUPIDITY is like blaming budweiser for drunk driving.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, September 2, 2010 5:20 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129584553

Kabul Bank on the verge of collapse as thousands of Afghans pull their money out. Seems the Karzai government, supported, bought and paid for by the U.S. government, was using lots and lots of that "foreign aid" money we sent them to buy vacation villas in Dubai for friends and family. Now, Dubai's real estate bubble has burst and collapsed, dragging the Afghan government and its biggest private bank down with it.

And we lucky Americans of course get to foot the bill, again. We're buying them vacation villas over there, so we don't have to buy them vacation villas over here, it would seem.

But yeah, it's our "freedoms" that Al Qaeda hates us for. Not for shit like this, which enriches dishonest fat-cat crime lords at the cost of the working Afghans and the working-class Americans. Sure... Keep telling yourselves that. [/sarcasm]

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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.






That is why we have to vote the bums out, starting with as many Dems this November that we can unseat and ending with the bounce of Barry in 2012. If we can replace all these career polititians and replace them with tea party types and fiscal conservatives we can correct these types of scams......

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Thursday, September 2, 2010 5:25 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Except it was those "fiscal conservatives" who got us into these wars in the first place, and then asked for no tax increases to pay for them, and just shoveling deficit money at the war machine to keep them going and to stoke the fear of the right.

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Thursday, September 2, 2010 6:26 AM

JONGSSTRAW


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Except it was those "fiscal conservatives" who got us into these wars.....

..... just shoveling deficit money at the war machine to keep them going and to stoke the fear of the right.



August 30, 2010 CBO Report on Deficits clearly shows that the cost of the 2 wars is a mere pittance compared to the enormous debt Obama & Pelosi have run up in just 2 years with their failed domestic and economic polices.










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Thursday, September 2, 2010 6:30 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Nice try, Jongsie - except that the fiscal '09 budget was approved and locked in by Dubya before he left office.

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Thursday, September 2, 2010 6:34 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Democrats have controlled Congress since 2006. The deficit, the debt, it's all on them. Most Americans not only know it, they will show it in a few weeks when they vote.
















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Thursday, September 2, 2010 6:37 AM

JONGSSTRAW


I don't recall George Bush having a budget that included Obama's 1 Trillion dollar "stimulus" in early 2009. He was long gone.





CBO SAYS OBAMA'S "STIMULUS" MORE COSTLY THAN ENTIRE IRAQ WAR

According to CBO numbers in its Budget and Economic Outlook published this month, the cost of Operation Iraqi Freedom was $709 billion for military and related activities, including training of Iraqi forces and diplomatic operations.

The projected cost of the stimulus, which passed in February 2009, and is expected to have a shelf life of two years, was $862 billion.

The U.S. deficit for fiscal year 2010 is expected to be $1.3 trillion, according to CBO. That compares to a 2007 deficit of $160.7 billion and a 2008 deficit of $458.6 billion, according to data provided by the U.S. Office of Management and Budget.







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Thursday, September 2, 2010 6:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


You really don't understand how fiscal year budgets work, do you? Bush's final fiscal year budget included well over a trillion dollars in deficit spending. He never even mentioned a possibility of vetoing such a budget either, so to say it's all the Dems' fault is just retarded. He signed it, he approved it, hell, HE was the one who insisted that $800,000,000,000 had to be given over to Wall Street banks WITH NO OVERSIGHT AT ALL, and no possibility of legislative review.

That you can forget all that so easily and so quickly, is disturbing. You may have a concussion. You should probably get your head checked by a doctor.

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Thursday, September 2, 2010 6:55 AM

BYTEMITE


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Originally posted by kaneman:
That is why we have to vote the bums out, starting with as many Dems this November that we can unseat and ending with the bounce of Barry in 2012. If we can replace all these career polititians and replace them with tea party types and fiscal conservatives we can correct these types of scams......



Most of the CIA involved probably weren't appointed by anyone. You could try to vote someone in to kick out CIA involved who WERE appointed, but to do so would be to put a sniper target or bogus criminal charge on their back. It needs to be done, but you need to think how to protect people when the CIA inevitably turns on them. Then when you can offer that safety, it will happen.

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Thursday, September 2, 2010 6:59 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You may have a concussion. You should probably get your head checked by a doctor.



Spin an deny all day long if it helps you come to grips with the harsh reality of a failed Democrat President and a despised Democrat Congress. The polls are telling us that a big change is coming. Sooner or later you will have to come to grips with that as well, or you can just continue to live in a fantasy land of denial with your ideology that represents only a small minority of Americans now. Heck, you'll like being on the "outs" again, it'll give you more to bitch about and hate Republicans and Conservatives for.






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Thursday, September 2, 2010 7:43 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


According to CBO numbers in its Budget and Economic Outlook published this month, the cost of Operation Iraqi Freedom was $709 billion for military and related activities, including training of Iraqi forces and diplomatic operations.



And you can spin and deny all you want, but not one penny of that was funded. It could have easily been paid for by NOT giving huge tax cuts to the top 2%, but instead, that deficit spending was more than doubled by enacting tax give-aways for the richest 2%.

Quote:


The U.S. deficit for fiscal year 2010 is expected to be $1.3 trillion, according to CBO. That compares to a 2007 deficit of $160.7 billion and a 2008 deficit of $458.6 billion, according to data provided by the U.S. Office of Management and Budget.



Thanks for again conveniently dismissing and avoiding responsibility for the 2009 deficits. By the way, the 2010 fiscal is projected to be LESS of a deficit than the 2009 Bush budget.




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Thursday, September 2, 2010 7:54 AM

NIKI2

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Uh...just to add; wasn't Karzai put in place by Bush, which would mean that this crap has been going on already for ten years or so, and only a year and a half under Obama? Yes, absolutely it needs to be STOPPED, but some perspective might be in order.

It's not just vacation villas, by the way. I saw a report showing virtual "castles" built by those guys in Kabul, which they then rented out to others because they LIVED in Dubai full time.

And yes, if anyone else has seen the reports of PALLETS of money leaving Afghanistan on planes regularly, they already know about the bullshit that's been going on. However well-meaning America is in helping other countries, we're not very good at it!

And also, if nobody remembered, Bush didn't put the war funding IN the budget...he got around the deficit that way, which Obama hasn't. Granted the deficit (a lot of which was left by Bush, and a lot of which was necessary to dig us OUT of what Bush left) needs dealing with, but it ought to be remembered that whatever Iraq and Afghanistan cost under Bush, it didn't show up in his budgets.


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Thursday, September 2, 2010 8:24 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Kabul Bank on the verge of collapse as thousands of Afghans pull their money out...And we lucky Americans of course get to foot the bill, again.


Obama's planning to send them a large amount of cash to shore up the bank, but promises to withdraw all the funding by July of 2011.

Some people think that having a date-certain for withdrawl might not be a good idea but Obama is certain it will work.

H

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Thursday, September 2, 2010 11:45 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Most of the CIA involved probably weren't appointed by anyone. You could try to vote someone in to kick out CIA involved who WERE appointed, but to do so would be to put a sniper target or bogus criminal charge on their back. It needs to be done, but you need to think how to protect people when the CIA inevitably turns on them. Then when you can offer that safety, it will happen.


Not to mention the flood of "terrorist" attacks which'll happen in response, since if you poke deep enough into the affairs of every terrorist worth the fucking name, eventually you'll find CIA paystubs, won't you ?

It's a goddamn protection racket, and between them and the DOD/Defense contractor Corporate Welfare, all part of a useless "War Machine" that can't beat a bunch of Pashtun on donkeys with Ak47s...

The only thing they're "protecting" us from, is THEM.

Fuck Iraq, fuck Afghanistan, you wanna make America safe, bomb Langley, bomb Quantico, go after the REAL terrorists, the bastards right here.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, September 2, 2010 11:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I disagree, Frem, insofar as "every" terrorist has the CIA between them. Given the ineptitude of the CIA in times past, I think you're giving them too much credit.

I don't think we can quite blame the government for everything going on anywhere, much as we might ike to. Certainly they're entitled to their fair share of blame, but I believe it's less than what some thik. Just my opinion.


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Thursday, September 2, 2010 12:02 PM

BYTEMITE


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I disagree, Frem, insofar as "every" terrorist has the CIA between them. Given the ineptitude of the CIA in times past, I think you're giving them too much credit.


He said "most every terrorist worth the name," and he's pretty much right on target if you interpret that as ones who have successfully attacked us. Check out McVeigh and the first World Trade Center bombing. The Mujahideen that Ocama Bin Laden came from were funded by the CIA when they went to intervene in the conflict in Kashmir, then they went to Afghanistan.

You'll have a hard time proving any of the terrorists were still been on the payrolls when they committed their most famous attacks, but they did, at some point or another, receive training from and worked for the CIA. That makes the CIA at least somewhat culpable IMO, even if it's more a scenario of having created a monster rather than controlling the monster.

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Thursday, September 2, 2010 12:06 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Ayep, and lets not forget Saddamn, Pinochet, The Shah, Papa Doc, and that whole little band of merry men - every single one of which has come back and bit us on the ass to where you start to wonder if maybe that wasn't the whole bloody POINT, to create and maintain that handy "external threat" to go and justify the abuses, textbook strategy.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, September 3, 2010 6:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I fully agree that we've financed all kinds of bad guys; in that respect, you're right. It's 9/11 and what's happened SINCE they were financed, trained and encouraged, because as you said, I don't think as MANY of the ties continue to exist as there were originally.

Typical of our government; prop someone up, then be aghast at the results..."When will they ever learn...?"


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