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Angle thinks she's 'mainstream'...?
Tuesday, September 7, 2010 9:29 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Nevada Republican Senate candidate Sharron Angle just might be the Tea Party's biggest gamble yet. A staunch conservative with a history of making bold and sometimes controversial comments, Angle insists her comments have been taken out of context in her campaign to oust Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in upcoming midterm congressional elections. "I'll be a mainstream senator," said Angle. In past remarks during the campaign, Angle has said Social Security and Medicare should be phased out. She's also advocated the elimination of the Departments of Education and Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency and the IRS. Angle established herself as an ardent conservative during her six-year tenure in the Nevada State Assembly. "Sharron Angle was the Tea Party before the Tea Party existed," Nevada political journalist Jon Ralston said of the Republican, adding she was a "far right" candidate. While Angle's controversial stances have bolstered her standing with the Tea Party, they have provided fodder for Democrats. Reid has called his opponent "too extreme" in TV ads airing across the state, and even President Obama weighed in at a July event for Reid, saying, "[Angle] favors an approach that's even more extreme than the Republicans we've got in Washington. That's saying something." complained some of her more controversial statements had been taken out of context. "As you speak, as we're conversationally speaking, sometimes when you pick out words, they're not the best words you could have used," she told CNN in a rare one-on-one interview. "When taken out of context, you can make anybody look like they don't know what they're talking about," she said. "It's a little hard to take out of context when they say they want to phase out Social Security," Reid responded to CNN. "Her words are what she is. My words are what I am. So I don't think you can run from what you say and what you do." Angle has also made some contentious comments on friendly conservative talk radio programs, which have bolstered her detractors' views that she is an extremist. In a January appearance on the Reno, Nevada-based Bill Manders Show, Angle implied the purpose of the Second Amendment right to bear arms might be to keep the federal government in check. "I'm hoping that we're not getting to Second Amendment remedies. When CNN asked about Angle's ominous-sounding warning, she laughed off the notion she was promoting an armed revolution. "Those are not the issues people are concerned about. They're concerned about our economy, our homes, our jobs. That's what people are concerned about," she said, not offering an explanation of her remarks. CNN also asked Angle about her affirmation of the same conservative host's observation that there are "home-born, homegrown" enemies operating in Congress. "The larger focus of that conversation is what has happened domestically here and our country for the last 18 months," Angle said, pointing out that no names were mentioned during the conversation, and again not addressing directly the intent of her statement. It's easy to see how Angle's staunch views appeal to the Tea Party, but even some of her fellow Nevada Republicans are wary that she is too conservative. Reno Mayor Bob Cashell, who is a Republican from Angle's hometown, called Angle "an ultra-right winger" who he will not support in November. Another prominent Nevada Republican, former Rep. Barbara Vucanovich described Angle as "rigid" in her beliefs in an interview to the Las Vegas Review Journal. "She's a very difficult person. She's very positive in her own way, but when you're elected you have to work for everybody," Vucanovich told the newspaper. But it's not just politicians who are concerned. In a poll released by the Las Vegas Review Journal on August 27, 71 percent of Nevada Republicans admit they would prefer to see a different Republican candidate take on Reid. Of those Republicans who voted for Angle in the primary election, 66 percent now say they'd like another nominee. The high-profile race is considered a statistical dead heat where, even in the gambling capital of the world, there is no odds-on favorite, making it a bellwether of just how influential the Tea Party might be in future elections.
Tuesday, September 7, 2010 10:08 AM
BYTEMITE
Tuesday, September 7, 2010 10:18 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Tuesday, September 7, 2010 1:04 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Tuesday, September 7, 2010 6:03 PM
KANEMAN
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: It's no surprise that she considers herself "mainstream"; most of the tea-baggers consider THEMSELVES mainstream, too. They honestly have no idea how out of it they really are. AURaptor's Greatest Hits: Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT: Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama: Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit. ... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.
Wednesday, September 8, 2010 7:00 AM
Quote:Angle would only be "mainstream" if she was incarcerated in an insane asylum.
Wednesday, September 8, 2010 7:58 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by kaneman: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: It's no surprise that she considers herself "mainstream"; most of the tea-baggers consider THEMSELVES mainstream, too. They honestly have no idea how out of it they really are. AURaptor's Greatest Hits: Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT: Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama: Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit. ... go fuck yourself, Mr. President. This coming from a gay shipping clerk who spends his time as one of only 14 people in the US that watches MSNBC...and you talk about being not mainstream....Man, you homosexuals are delusional.
Wednesday, September 8, 2010 9:13 AM
Wednesday, September 8, 2010 9:27 AM
Wednesday, September 8, 2010 9:49 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Wednesday, September 8, 2010 10:52 AM
Wednesday, September 8, 2010 10:57 AM
Wednesday, September 8, 2010 11:46 AM
Wednesday, September 8, 2010 11:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Learn how to be accountable and not rely on the Gov't to save your ass.
Wednesday, September 8, 2010 12:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Just because someone points out that the Emperor has no clothes doesn't make them out of the main stream.
Quote:We need more folks who think and speak like her. A lot more.
Wednesday, September 8, 2010 12:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: True, it's the other batshit crazy stuff she says that puts her out of the mainstream.
Wednesday, September 8, 2010 5:59 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Wednesday, September 8, 2010 10:25 PM
CANTTAKESKY
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: What would you say to those who had nothing left when they were too old or infirm to work through no fault of their own?
Wednesday, September 8, 2010 10:38 PM
CATPIRATE
Wednesday, September 8, 2010 11:08 PM
Quote:“The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit. He does not pretend to be anything but a robber. He has not acquired impudence enough to profess to be merely a 'protector,' and that he takes men’s money against their will, merely to enable him to “protect” those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection. He is too sensible a man to make such professions as these. Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful 'sovereign,' on account of the 'protection' he affords you. He does not keep 'protecting' you, by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that; by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or pleasure to do so; and by branding you as a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy to your country, and shooting you down without mercy if you dispute his authority, or resist his demands. He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and insults, and villainies as these. In short, he does not, in addition to robbing you, attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave.” -Lysander Spooner
Thursday, September 9, 2010 1:29 AM
Quote:Too addicted to having things provided to them, for a price.
Thursday, September 9, 2010 1:36 AM
Thursday, September 9, 2010 2:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Too addicted to having things provided to them, for a price. I think they call such a system a "free market" system. You get things provided to you, for a price. Sounds like you've got a problem with that. :/
Thursday, September 9, 2010 5:21 AM
Quote:Meanwhile, where is all the money that people put into their private retirement accounts in investments like Enron, Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, GM, Chrysler, Bernie Madoff's firm, etc.? What was the security that was backing those investments? Where's the money now?
Thursday, September 9, 2010 6:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Where did all the money go? It's still there - over 2.5 TRILLION dollars of it. The government borrowed against it by issuing treasury bills which have the full faith and credit of the U.S. behind them.
Thursday, September 9, 2010 7:11 AM
Thursday, September 9, 2010 7:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: True, it's the other batshit crazy stuff she says that puts her out of the mainstream.
Thursday, September 9, 2010 7:15 AM
Thursday, September 9, 2010 7:52 AM
Quote:I don't see it the same as everyone else, apparently. I think the vast majority of people get what they paid in out, if they live that long or need it. I know getting Disability is damned hard and yes, they do try everything to get out of it. But I also know that everyone I've ever met who has stuck with it has gotten it...and when you do, you get "back paid" from the day you filed. There are lots of legal services (many free) that will help you fight, too. I was lucky; for some unknown reason I got mine in less than a month after filing, for which I've always been very grateful. But I know far too many others who've suffered and been denied time after time. No argument on that point.
Quote:You just want to let them die on the streets? I've yet to hear a viable answer; private accounts are NOT a viable answer, as they are vulnerable to the economy going up and down.
Thursday, September 9, 2010 8:14 AM
RIVERLOVE
Thursday, September 9, 2010 8:21 AM
Thursday, September 9, 2010 8:31 AM
Thursday, September 9, 2010 8:45 AM
Quote:But to do away with it completely is crazy to me.
Thursday, September 9, 2010 9:40 AM
Thursday, September 9, 2010 12:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Oh, I'd say her "second amendment solution" comments - thinly veiled calls for outright violence - firmly place her in the crazy column.
Thursday, September 9, 2010 1:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Oh, I'd say her "second amendment solution" comments - thinly veiled calls for outright violence - firmly place her in the crazy column.
Quote:You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years. I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out.
Quote:Interviewer: "Would you eliminate the Department of Education or simply cut it back?" Angle responds, "I would like to go through to the elimination. I think we start by defunding it, and the reason that we should eliminate it is because it's not the federal government's job to provide education for our children."
Quote:"I think that two wrongs don't make a right. And I have been in the situation of counseling young girls, not 13 but 15, who have had very at risk, difficult pregnancies. And my counsel was to look for some alternatives, which they did. And they found that they had made what was really a lemon situation into lemonade."
Quote:"People don't want to be unemployed," she explained. "They want to have real, full-time, permanent jobs with a future. That's what they want, and we need to create that climate in Washington, D.C. that encourages businesses to create those full-time, permanent jobs with a future, and all [Rep.] Shelley Berkeley and [Senate Majority Leader] Harry Reid want to do is put a band-aid on this by extending unemployment, which really doesn't benefit anyone.
Thursday, September 9, 2010 1:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Too addicted to having things provided to them, for a price. I think they call such a system a "free market" system. You get things provided to you, for a price. Sounds like you've got a problem with that. :/ Things aren't " provided " for you, you go out and make choices. That's the tiny detail you overlook. With Gov't run mandates, like SSI, you have no choice. Which seems to suit you just fine, unless the issue is abortion. Then you're for all manner of choice. As long as the choice is for abortion.
Quote: As for Angle, I've still yet to see anything she's said that's so outlandish. What Obama and Biden have said/ done, .... are truly incomprehensibly stupid. But folks want to attack Angle ? Some are just afraid of an opinionated woman.
Thursday, September 9, 2010 1:30 PM
Quote:Angle: I feel that the Second Amendment is the right to keep and bear arms for our citizenry. This not for someone who's in the military. This not for law enforcement. This is for us. And in fact when you read that Constitution and the founding fathers, they intended this to stop tyranny. This is for us when our government becomes tyrannical... Manders: If we needed it at any time in history, it might be right now. Angle: Well it's to defend ourselves. And you know, I'm hoping that we're not getting to Second Amendment remedies. I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems.
Quote:"We're called as Americans to be vigilant to protect our liberty," she said in a recent interview. "At some point in each of our lives, we're called to service to defend and protect our Constitution." In Angle's eyes, the country is under attack and she's willing to go to battle. "What is a little bit disconcerting and concerning is the inability for sporting goods stores to keep ammunition in stock," she said. "That tells me the nation is arming. What are they arming for if it isn't that they are so distrustful of their government? They're afraid they'll have to fight for their liberty in more Second Amendment kinds of ways? "That's why I look at this as almost an imperative. If we don't win at the ballot box, what will be the next step?"
Quote:When Angle returned from Washington and held an event to greet supporters yesterday in Las Vegas, she was approached by reporter Nathan Baca of CBS affiliate 8 News Now. When Baca, citing Angle's website, asked why she wants "to eliminate (Social Security) for younger folks, because your plan calls for transitioning out," she accused him of believing "the Harry Reid lie" and said she wants to shift the program to personalized Social Security accounts that the government can't touch. Then things started to get pretty tense. Baca said the 2008 stock market crash would have meant millions of seniors having their savings wiped out under Angle's plan; she replied that he is "putting words into my mouth from Harry Reid" and that she is trying to save Social Security. When he asked why she wants to eliminate the EPA despite the Gulf oil leak, she said, "Where are you getting these questions? The issues are not about the EPA... The issues are homes here in Nevada... He is trying to make this a campaign about me. But, where's Harry? Go ask Harry... Please go ask Harry about the EPA, and why they have failed." She went on to say the EPA has "failed to do what they needed to do in the Gulf." Angle then ignored a question about her website once advocating U.S. withdrawal from the United Nations and refused to look at Baca as he asked her repeatedly about her "Second Amendment remedies" comment as she walked in the parking lot after the event. The video is above. According to Baca, Angle's campaign responded to the exchange by calling him "an idiot" as well as another term that can't be repeated on television.
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