More 'religion of peace' news by AURaptor

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Waterboarding... witch hunts... When did the the CIA become the Christian Intelligence Agency? Also, when did the USA become a christian theocracy? This whole 'look at how bad these people are, I'll bet they did it cause they are christians' argument is even more childish and stupid than the original argument. At least the original foolish supposition that Muslims want all this violence was actually the topic of the gorram thread!

I've got a radical idea. How about someone defend Islam with examples of peaceful Muslims or peaceful Islamic practices? Do yall enjoy petty finger pointing or is your argument against Muslims being radical nutjobs really that weak?

Please prove me wrong and defend Islam with Islam, not by shaking your finger and pointing to something bad someone else did.

I'm gonna shamelessly quote myself in the event that it get's more attention now than it did the other night when i was all insomniac. Also because like one person got the point. So in cruder terms, if someone looks at a houses bathroom see's an unflushed toilet, should you scream about the soapscum in someone elses shower or should you show them the rest of the first house, maybe some of the better parts like the dining room? Pointing out the christians have had unflushed toilets on occasion does not make the muslim house look any better, but showing them a shiney dining room might help.

It won't stop everyone from focusing on the negative, but you may get some of the more 'big picture' folks to take you more seriously. But, all I'm seein' is finger wagglin' and name calling. If I were pettier I'd be tempted to move further right out of spite. The 'us' vs 'them' approach ain't condusive to unity.

My genetic make-up makes it impossible to disagree with any poster who uses shit-filled bowls to make his piont.....Well done.

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:25 AM

I do not find them despicable because of politics, but rather that they interfere with my LIFE on a regular basis no matter how they can contrive it, even if doing so is technically unlawful, all the while striving to MAKE that kind of interferance lawful.

And, also, because I am Shadow Vajrayana, a belief so opposed to the idea of forcing ones will and morality onto others that it encourages the assassination (character, spiritual, or otherwise) of those who do so.

Nor should you expect me to have one whit of sympathy for a man who chose to practice a belief that codifies in it's own holiest text the mistreatment of non-believers when he ran afoul of someone ELSE willing to do unto HIM the exact same thing - any more than I would feel sympathy for those at nuremburg who were "just following orders"...

Any time you make a PRACTICE of forcing your will and morals down the throats of others, via social pressure, legal manipulation, or violence, any time you take the orders of a group whos manifesto includes that stated intent, having that very thing happen to you at the hands of another such group is no cause for any sympathy from me and never will be.

I say again, not one dimes worth of difference between them, and your pathetic attempt to wheedle sympathy from me falls flat because you fail to understand that both "sides" of that fight are anathema to all I believe, and I would be quite, quite pleased as punch if they ALL killed each other.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:28 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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I know you and Kwickie know better, and are simply trying to play this game of equivocation, because you can't stand the truth. Put up this false front all you want, though. You're fooling no one.

I've read enough of their posts to believe that they are NOT putting up "false fronts." I think they actually believe the moral and ethical equivalencies they put up. They've helped me understand the incredible hatred the hard Left has for Christianity. Until I read it here, over and over, I really never understood that aspect of their belief system. I find it shocking and frightening, but at least they're open and consistent about their feelings.

Your views of our "hatred" of Christianity are based entirely on your rabid hatred of any other religion. I'm merely pointing out to you that ALL religions are full of whackjob wingnuts who believe in killing everyone who doesn't believe exactly what they believe.

It's odd that the mighty-whitey-righties around here keep putting up examples of Islam Gone Wild™, and claim they're just giving out information, yet when anyone else points out that there are as many examples of Christians Gone Wild™, it must be done purely out of hatred.

By your own logic, if *I* hate Christianity, aren't you admitting that *YOU* hate all other religious beliefs?

I'm a pragmatist; I'm at much more risk and in much more danger from attack by Christian fundamentalist zealots like those who the right is currently empowering and embracing than I am from any Muslim group.

But I totally get that everyone on the right is cowering in fear of the Big Bad 10-Foot-Tall Muslim™. It's a boogeyman your side invented in the aftermath of 9/11. You were trying to show that there was NOTHING that could have been done to stop 9/11, because we were up against such a monumentally bad-ass enemy, and there was no way in hell we could have ever stopped him. It's a lie, of course; there were plenty of opportunities to derail Bin Laden's plans - Bush was just too busy being on vacation to attend those meetings or read those briefings.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:28 AM

RIGHTEOUS9

Jong

Funny that you should be replying to Auraptor as if he doesn't have some contempt for Christianity.

He himself stated in a response to me, in a separate thread on this topic, that he could just as easily be saying, "how unlike a christian"...given the right context.

so I think the issue is not that of lefties hating christianity, but of a lot of us lefties, and atheists in general not trusting organized religion.

First, I don't hate Christianity or Christians. Most of my family is christian...mormon to be precise...so maybe some "true" christians take issue with that...and yet I love them. My guess is most atheists have loved ones who are also believers.

I should also point out that there are millions of liberals who are Christian,but maybe they interpret the book differently than the way you do, and maybe they don't see persecution of themselves everywhere they go, but embrace an opportunity to show graciousness and tolerance rather than to vilify the religions of others.

I admit, I find myself getting my back up when people try to make a distinction of virtue between their Christianity and the next person's Islam, inspite of the fact that in most converstaions you would not find me defending the Koran or the religion based around it. When people make threads about how bad Islam is, I do find a great deal of hypocracy in it, and where it isn't hypocracy, I find it to be at the very least, inattentive to the mechanisms of social evolution that is shaped by religion as much as religion is shaped by it.

The equiovactions are not an effort to say that all religions are equal...only to say that they are all capable of being used for evil...just as they are all capable of being used for good.

I think Jon Stewart said it well when he said religion is like splitting the atom...do it one way, you get nuclear power, do it another, and you get a bomb...

in the end, it's not the words in these books that have the power to do evil or good...these books say all kinds of crazy(from my perspective)...its what the people choose to focus on in those books that matters.

And what western muslims focus on in their book is not the crazy that many(but certainly not all) muslims from the middle east do. Is it asking too much for you to take that into account? Culture does matter. Economics matter. What I object to is you equating the name of the religion with morality, and that just is not born out in the facts about either of these great religions.

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:24 AM

America loves a winner!

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I've read enough of their posts to believe that they are NOT putting up "false fronts." I think they actually believe the moral and ethical equivalencies they put up. They've helped me understand the incredible hatred the hard Left has for Christianity. Until I read it here, over and over, I really never understood that aspect of their belief system. I find it shocking and frightening, but at least they're open and consistent about their feelings.

Starting about 15 years ago, I'd have been right there with them. The brazen dishonesty, the hatred and mindless vitriol by Christian fundies was drawing to a fever pitch. You see, the Y2K thingy was on its way, and the world was suppose to end. I was even more animated against those nuts then, thinking I could hammer some sense into their skulls with the 2x4 of knowledge and reason, but just like Kwiickie and the Left wing zealots here, some skulls are simply too empty and too dense to bother with even trying.

We're talking near Fred Phelps / Westboro Baptists type morons here, and it was pretty damn ugly. But even as evil and inbred as those folks are, they still didn't cut the heads off of non believers, or try to set them on fire. That sort of evil, which most had figured was forever stuck in the dark ages, is alive and well w/ Muslim zealots of today.

The Left refuses to see the evil of the latter, and instead simply focuses on Christian " intolerance ".

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:43 AM

I'm still waiting for you to show where anyone said Islamic Terrorists don't exist or are not a threat.

You said they did, and that you could prove it. It's been about 3 weeks now, surely you've had time to find that elusive evidence.

Or, you're a lying sack of shit.

One or the other.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:45 AM

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I'm still waiting for you to show where anyone said Islamic Terrorists don't exist or are not a threat.

I never said that, but some are quick to gloss over / ignore Islamic terrorism to such a degree as to make it near non existent.

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You said they did, and that you could prove it. It's been about 3 weeks now, surely you've had time to find that elusive evidence.

Or, you're a lying sack of shit.

One or the other.

Nice straw man argument you have there.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:49 AM

Liar.

You were going on and on about how the left won't acknowledge the threat of Islamic fundies. I pointed out several cases where we had directly discussed it, and just said we don't consider them AS BIG a threat as you, and that no one had claimed they didn't exist.

You came back and said that, yes, indeed, some here (you did specify here, on this board) had said so. But you refuse to back it. Saying it's a straw man so you can wuss out doesn't mean it is one.

You're a lying chickenshit cunt.

Prove me wrong, fucko.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:20 AM

America loves a winner!

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Liar.

You were going on and on about how the left won't acknowledge the threat of Islamic fundies. I pointed out several cases where we had directly discussed it, and just said we don't consider them AS BIG a threat as you, and that no one had claimed they didn't exist.

You came back and said that, yes, indeed, some here (you did specify here, on this board) had said so. But you refuse to back it. Saying it's a straw man so you can wuss out doesn't mean it is one.

You're a lying chickenshit cunt.

Prove me wrong, fucko.

Prove to me I said what you think I said.

See, this is what you brain donors on the Left do. You pay lip service to the issue of Islamic jihadists, but roll over on your backs like Prom dates when trying to please the PC crowd.

- Oh, PLEASE build your victory mosque on next to the hole in the ground your Muslim brothers made on 9/11 !!!

- I'll close Gitmo within the year..

- Military tribunals for the 9/11 masterminds ? No way! Let 'em have their day in our court system, so they can trash every fiber of this nation and preach to the world their hate and evil !

I'm not LYING , anus breath. I'm just more concerned with the real issues here, and not childish banter you engage in on some internet forum.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:07 PM

MAL4PREZ

Now see, Storymark, it's possible that Rappy makes these blatantly ridiculous claims only because he looooves the idea of people wasting their time digging through his old posts. What he does not realize is that it's so very easy. I spent, seriously, two minutes. Here you go:

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Get over yourself Rappy. No one is denying the existence of Muslim extremists.

Actually, some are denying the existence of Muslim extremists...

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=45002

And here:

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Why not call it the Victory Centre ?

Because that's what it truly is. All Muslims know this.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=45210

That's right. Rappy believes that ALL MUSLIMS want to build a community center in Manhattan for the sole purpose of celebrating their "victory" over the US on 9-11. And Rappy has spent a whole lotta time arguing against the nonexistent claim that there is no Islamic terrorism. Of course: if he argued against what people here are actually posting... well, he's clearly incapable of such a conversation.

Does this moron ever get tired of showing just how extremely moronic he is?

(Although - I'm still not convinced that he isn't really the puppet of some liberal, because all Rappy does on this site is make the conservative argument look really really really pathetic. If I was a bit more devious and wanted to make liberals look good, I'd create a sock puppet just like Rappy. But I guess I don't need to.)

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:16 PM

So, which will it be - will he vanish from the thread now, ignore that post, or make up a new lie?

All are part of his SOP, so I'm not sure where to place my bet.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:18 PM

America loves a winner!

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That's right. Rappy believes that ALL MUSLIMS want to build a community center in Manhattan for the sole purpose of celebrating their "victory" over the US on 9-11. And Rappy has spent a whole lotta time arguing against the nonexistent claim that there is no Islamic terrorism. Of course: if he argued against what people here are actually posting... well, he's clearly incapable of such a conversation.

Ahh yes, the classic " Rappy believes " claim, strikes again.

I mention that Muslims KNOW what this mosque is , and what it stands for. What I did NOT claim is that All Muslims WANT it built!!
Fact is, most Muslims, around the world, think it's a BAD idea! You see, knowing how this mosque will look, and what it represents, isn't the same thing as condoning its construction. The fact is, because they DO know what it means, is exactly why most don't want it built !! ( And I'm not even talking of most here in the U.S. )

A recent survey by Elaph — the most respected electronic daily in the Arab world — has revealed that 58% of Muslims object to the building of the Ground Zero WTC mosque.

A far cry from what Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has been claiming are the prevailing feelings in the Arab world.

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzon
e/2010/09/20/elaph-poll-58-of-muslims-object-to-the-building-of-the-ground-zero-wtc-mosque/

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:20 PM

America loves a winner!

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So, which will it be - will he vanish from the thread now, ignore that post, or make up a new lie?

All are part of his SOP, so I'm not sure where to place my bet.

It's not a lie, and I'm still here. It remains my opinion that some here ignore the threat of Islamic Jihadism,and nothing here that's been posted makes the case for which you claim.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:30 PM

MAL4PREZ

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So, which will it be - will he vanish from the thread now, ignore that post, or make up a new lie?

Option D: stick with the "I am an omniscient god who knows what all Muslims think" argument, though he's already openly admitted that he knows no actual Muslims.

Notice how he doesn't address the fact that he said, and I do quote:

"Actually, some are denying the existence of Muslim extremists"

Doh! Guess Storymark was right about that "liar" thing!

This is fun. Who needs to invent sockpuppets when you have a Rappydoll (I need a ^TM here) to play with? Hmmm. I wonder what happens if I stick pins in him...

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 1:52 PM

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So, which will it be - will he vanish from the thread now, ignore that post, or make up a new lie?

All are part of his SOP, so I'm not sure where to place my bet.

It's not a lie, and I'm still here. It remains my opinion that some here ignore the threat of Islamic Jihadism,and nothing here that's been posted makes the case for which you claim.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

Uh, hello:

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Actually, some are denying the existence of Muslim extremists...

Back it up, or you're lying, you moron. One or the other. You made a claim - back it up, or admit you were wrong.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 1:53 PM

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I wonder what happens if I stick pins in him...

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It oozes bullshit.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 4:02 PM

Skidmark you are a lame troll...not even interesting....

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:43 PM

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This is fun. Who needs to invent sockpuppets when you have a Rappydoll (I need a ^TM here) to play with? Hmmm. I wonder what happens if I stick pins in him...

I always saw him as more something like this...

I just take pity on his fragile sanity much of the time, cause I know all too many people like that, and how desperately screwed up they are, is all.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:53 PM

America loves a winner!

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Actually, some are denying the existence of Muslim extremists...

Back it up, or you're lying, you moron. One or the other. You made a claim - back it up, or admit you were wrong.

I already addressed that issue. By trying to equate muslim extremists to every other religious zealot violence, that's denying there is anything remarkable or unique going on here. It need not be directly stated, but that's exactly what is going on here.

I'm not lying, because I say something with which you disagree, but you ARE being a schmuck.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:53 AM

Shifting the goals posts, then.

"What I really meant was...."

You are such a douchebag, Rappy.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 6:23 AM

HKCAVALIER

Meanwhile, back in the adult world, it's becoming more and more apparent that people have a right to clarify what they mean. Pinning people down to what they said last week or last year destroys relationships of all kinds. Allowing people to clarify themselves and waiting for your interpretation of what they're saying to be confirmed by them isn't "moving the goal post," it's "communication."

AURaptor, like every other human being on the planet, sometimes doesn't express himself very well or clearly. Your commitment to demolishing him when he does this, serves no end but to solidify hostility. No good ever comes of it.

To me, this kind of blatantly childish tit for tat, the utter renunciation of the moral, socially aware high ground in favor of scoring points is the #1 reason, I for one, spend less and less time participating in the RWED. There will always be an AURaptor, but Storymark and Kwicko used to have higher standards for their own behavior.

The world will not improve until we, each of us, decide to clean up our own acts and treat EVERYONE (including AURaptor and Kaneman) with base line respect for them as fellow human beings. Not because they've earned it, but because we know it's right. We on the left roundly denounce the government when they justify their iniquity by pointing at their enemy saying, "but they're worse! They started it!" but that is exactly what y'all are doing when you try to out-troll the trolls. Sure, no lives are on the line, so I forgive you (

), but the moral principle is identical. Seriously, all these months pumping yourselves up at AURaptor's expense just reflects very badly on you, imho.

I don't mean to offend. This is just my plea for a teensy bit more civility from the people I respect the most on my favorite internet forum.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 7:04 AM

Well, HKCav - it does help to have an example...

That's usually Anthony, who I respect tremendously for it, but it wouldn't kill you to enter a discussion once in a while for the express purpose *of* bringing some civility to it - heaven knows I am utterly, absolutely, the wrong go-to-guy for that particular aspect of a discussion, although the tit-for-tat thing does drive me severely bonkers in a major way - it's just that me calling someone else on a lack of verbal civility is like Sauron busting chops on the Rohan for being racist pricks, isn't it ?

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 8:53 AM

America loves a winner!

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Shifting the goals posts, then.

"What I really meant was...."

You are such a douchebag, Rappy.

Besides name calling, and because you can't back up YOUR claim, you have nothing.

Mayor Bloomberg, who tried to push the idea that the Times Square (Failed) bomber was some anything BUT what he actually was. .

“There is no credible evidence so far that this attack was more than at least one person, the driver,” said Mayor Mike Bloomberg. “After that there is no evidence that anyone else was involved. It may be, but we can’t say that it is.”…

“If I had to guess, twenty five cents, this would be exactly that,” Bloomberg said. “Homegrown maybe a mentally deranged person or someone with a political agenda that doesn’t like the health care bill or something. It could be anything.”

Story, don't go away mad. Just go away.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 9:06 AM

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Shifting the goals posts, then.

"What I really meant was...."

You are such a douchebag, Rappy.

Besides name calling, and because you can't back up YOUR claim, you have nothing.

I have your words, you blithering moron.

You said it, not I. And you are the one who can't back it, other than to try and equivocate. Saying Christians have done bad things is not saying Muslim Extremists don't exist. Deflecting to Bloomberg or anyone else who doesn't post here is... deflecting, since I specified people here in the post you responded to when you CLAIMED (falsely) that people were denying their existence.

IT WAS YOUR CLAIM, and YOU didn't back it up. I'm claiming nothing - other than to point out you are a lying sack of shit.

Talk in circles all you want, fucko, they were your words, and you are the one without the balls to be honest.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 9:09 AM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Meanwhile, back in the adult world, it's becoming more and more apparent that people have a right to clarify what they mean. Pinning people down to what they said last week or last year destroys relationships of all kinds. Allowing people to clarify themselves and waiting for your interpretation of what they're saying to be confirmed by them isn't "moving the goal post," it's "communication."

AURaptor, like every other human being on the planet, sometimes doesn't express himself very well or clearly. Your commitment to demolishing him when he does this, serves no end but to solidify hostility. No good ever comes of it.

I think you are being overly generous by calling him human.

As to the rest, fuck him.

If he had ever been anything even approaching intellectually honest, I'd give a shit. But he doesn't so I don't.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 9:22 AM

America loves a winner!

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Shifting the goals posts, then.

"What I really meant was...."

You are such a douchebag, Rappy.

Besides name calling, and because you can't back up YOUR claim, you have nothing.

I have your words, you blithering moron.

You said it, not I. And you are the one who can't back it, other than to try and equivocate. Saying Christians have done bad things is not saying Muslim Extremists don't exist. Deflecting to Bloomberg or anyone else who doesn't post here is... deflecting, since I specified people here in the post you responded to when you CLAIMED (falsely) that people were denying their existence.

IT WAS YOUR CLAIM, and YOU didn't back it up. I'm claiming nothing - other than to point out you are a lying sack of shit.

Talk in circles all you want, fucko, they were your words, and you are the one without the balls to be honest.

I'm talking circles around you, because you're so god damn inept. I asked YOU to quote me, and instead, all you do is continue to dodge the issue.

" You said it " - Oh, really? Where did I say it ? What EXACTLY did I say ? Refresh my memory, and let's see if I really said what you think I said, or if you're just full of b.s. and mindless venom.

What YOU said I said isn't of any concern to me. You don't even know what the hell you're so pissed off about, other than you can't win an argument on a message board. BFD. Get a real life with real problems, and then maybe you'll find something to get upset over beside - the absolute nothing you have here.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:52 AM

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Shifting the goals posts, then.

"What I really meant was...."

You are such a douchebag, Rappy.

Besides name calling, and because you can't back up YOUR claim, you have nothing.

I have your words, you blithering moron.

You said it, not I. And you are the one who can't back it, other than to try and equivocate. Saying Christians have done bad things is not saying Muslim Extremists don't exist. Deflecting to Bloomberg or anyone else who doesn't post here is... deflecting, since I specified people here in the post you responded to when you CLAIMED (falsely) that people were denying their existence.

IT WAS YOUR CLAIM, and YOU didn't back it up. I'm claiming nothing - other than to point out you are a lying sack of shit.

Talk in circles all you want, fucko, they were your words, and you are the one without the balls to be honest.

I'm talking circles around you, because you're so god damn inept. I asked YOU to quote me, and instead, all you do is continue to dodge the issue.

" You said it " - Oh, really? Where did I say it ? What EXACTLY did I say ? Refresh my memory, and let's see if I really said what you think I said, or if you're just full of b.s. and mindless venom.

What YOU said I said isn't of any concern to me. You don't even know what the hell you're so pissed off about, other than you can't win an argument on a message board. BFD. Get a real life with real problems, and then maybe you'll find something to get upset over beside - the absolute nothing you have here.

Jeezus, you delusional moron - Mal posted the quotes yesterday! And I reposted it today. Here, since you are apparently incapable of following your own thread, here they are yet a-fucking-gain:

Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Get over yourself Rappy. No one is denying the existence of Muslim extremists.

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Actually, some are denying the existence of Muslim extremists...

So, there you go - you said people here (and don't deflect, I brought it up in the strict context of this board - and you replied in kind) are denying the existence.

Your words - period. Which you cannot back up.

This isn't me loosing an argument - it's me posting your own words, asking you to back them, and you denying that you even said them. You chickenshit disingenuous mental midget. If you can't even stand by your own words, no wonder you're such a staggering failure at getting any sort of coherent point across.

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:06 AM

America loves a winner!

Pumpkin, we've already gone over this once.

I replied to the so called quote.

It doesn't say what you claim it says.

try again, genius.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:09 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Anyone coming into this forum for the first time would surely just wwalk away shaking his/her head.

There's a post by Righteous very clearly explaining that all "lefties" don't hate Christianity, what we really believe, and all the logical reasons we believe what we do.

And the response?

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Starting about 15 years ago, I'd have been right there with them. The brazen dishonesty, the hatred and mindless vitriol by Christian fundies was drawing to a fever pitch. You see, the Y2K thingy was on its way, and the world was suppose to end. I was even more animated against those nuts then, thinking I could hammer some sense into their skulls with the 2x4 of knowledge and reason, but just like Kwiickie and the Left wing zealots here, some skulls are simply too empty and too dense to bother with even trying.

We're talking near Fred Phelps / Westboro Baptists type morons here, and it was pretty damn ugly. But even as evil and inbred as those folks are, they still didn't cut the heads off of non believers, or try to set them on fire. That sort of evil, which most had figured was forever stuck in the dark ages, is alive and well w/ Muslim zealots of today.

The Left refuses to see the evil of the latter, and instead simply focuses on Christian " intolerance ".

A slathering of name-calling, lies, and overblown rhetoric not addressing a SINGLE valid point Righteous made.

That says it all. Logical addressing of claims by one, nothing but "mindless vitriol" from the others. It's a miracle ANYONE sticks around here.

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:13 PM

America loves a winner!

Only there weren't any lies on my part.

There never are.

I'm not surprised you gleaned exactly nothing from my post.

You seldom do.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:23 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

And I sse it degenerated from there. Why does anyone here try to communicate with him? Just ignore the posts and go on your way.

1. The point was that "all Muslims know what it is", not that all didn't want it built. You repeated it: "Muslims KNOW what this mosque is , and what it stands for." That statement is pure bullshit.

The rest is, too...saying we're ignoring the threat of terrorism: what do you think we should be doing that you would consider NOT ignoring it? Ranting and raving and talking rabid hate and posting terrorist actions does exactly what? Well, besides showing an excessive obsession with FOCUSING on islamic terrorism. NOT being obsessed with it is not ignoring it.

As to calling people on their statements, Raptor makes a science out of overblown claims that "All" this or "all", and does it for nastiness sake. I see nothing wrong with calling him on claims such as that, JMO. MY opinion, nothing more.

And I'll ask the following, but again, it's not judgment of anyone, or saying what people "should" do, it's just my curiosity and confusion on what I see here: Why does anyone try to communicate with Raptor and those like him? You just get dragged into his mud puddle, where he keeps you with his back-and-forths for as long as he possibly can. Who benefits? Why bother? Why not go from Righteous' last post, which is when things really DID stop being adult, and discuss the reality put forth in that post?

Always blows me away when I come here after a time away, how nearly everything degenerates into the puddle of filth that it is so easy for Raptor to trip people into.

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:58 PM

MAL4PREZ

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Why does anyone here try to communicate with him? Just ignore the posts and go on your way.

Careful Niki - you've tried the same communication, even after swearing it off, and I bet you'll get around to doing it again. Don't berate others for taking their turn at bat, especially when Rappy leaves a fat one hanging over home plate. Of course I'm gonna swing at that sucker and put it over the wall.

Still, for the most part I do not engage Raptor directly. I know it's a waste. But I will discuss his posts with other people as I have here.

So why do I bother? Why not ignore him entirely? Because lies, especially lies repeated over and over by an intelligent and determined person, will fester and spread if left unchallenged. (Look at the death panel thing.) If this ridiculous vitriol has no counter point, it becomes the message that other posters and lurkers take away from this site.

I may not post often, and even go weeks without checking in, but I consider myself part of this community. I want any Muslim visiting this site to know that (by the majority of Browncoats at least) they will be judged by who they are and what they say, and not by what a very few insane assholes did nine years ago.

I have very little power over what's happening *out there* in the cowering, racist armpits of America, but I'll try to keep my own zones clean of the insanity. If that means smacking the Rap occasionally, so be it.

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:14 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Niki2:
And I sse it degenerated from there. Why does anyone here try to communicate with him? Just ignore the posts and go on your way.

I'm not the one degenerating the conversation. Story is. Again w/ the " ignore him " whine. And yet, here you are, NOT ignoring me. Dear god in heaven, here we go again ?

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1. The point was that "all Muslims know what it is", not that all didn't want it built. You repeated it: "Muslims KNOW what this mosque is , and what it stands for." That statement is pure bullshit.
That statement is factual. I even backed it up, to which you still ignore it. So, I ask you..why should I even bother backing up my remarks with anything if all you're gonna do is dismiss them, out of hand ? Waste of my time, and shows how disingenuous you truly are.

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The rest is, too...saying we're ignoring the threat of terrorism: what do you think we should be doing that you would consider NOT ignoring it? Ranting and raving and talking rabid hate and posting terrorist actions does exactly what? Well, besides showing an excessive obsession with FOCUSING on islamic terrorism. NOT being obsessed with it is not ignoring it.

Or, you could start by calmly and honestly admitting there is a problem, and stop trying to play the equivocation game, by lumping the jihadists in w/ the mentally deranged , or angry Americans, upset at Obama's social agenda.

That'd be a nice start.

Quote:

As to calling people on their statements, Raptor makes a science out of overblown claims that "All" this or "all", and does it for nastiness sake. I see nothing wrong with calling him on claims such as that, JMO. MY opinion, nothing more.

No, YOU and your Lefty comrades overblown the claim, so you can weasel out of having to discuss the actual issues.

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And I'll ask the following, but again, it's not judgment of anyone, or saying what people "should" do, it's just my curiosity and confusion on what I see here: Why does anyone try to communicate with Raptor and those like him? You just get dragged into his mud puddle, where he keeps you with his back-and-forths for as long as he possibly can. Who benefits? Why bother? Why not go from Righteous' last post, which is when things really DID stop being adult, and discuss the reality put forth in that post?

Now this is precious, coming from you.

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Always blows me away when I come here after a time away, how nearly everything degenerates into the puddle of filth that it is so easy for Raptor to trip people into.

I'll tell you why. Because the Lefties like yourself are consumed with hatred and vitriol of things not coming from your utopian, PC world view. Anyone who says anything to the contrary to your belief system, you accuse of being 'racist', ignorant, anti - immigrant, or what ever you can think to grab from your short list of scapegoats and diversionary tactics.

And the beautiful irony of it all, is how 'diverse' and 'tolerant' you folks claim yourselves to be.

hi-larious.

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:28 PM

America loves a winner!

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So why do I bother? Why not ignore him entirely? Because lies, especially lies repeated over and over by an intelligent and determined person, will fester and spread if left unchallenged. (Look at the death panel thing.) If this ridiculous vitriol has no counter point, it becomes the message that other posters and lurkers take away from this site.

1 - Site for me 1 lie which I've offered.

2 - Since you brought up the 'death panel' point, which never was one of MY issues, I'll respond anyway.

ObamaCare will, undeniably, result in top down, bureaucratic panels which will determine who gets treatment, and who does not. There won't be anything CALLED a "death panel", which is the only way anyone can state that there won't BE death panels, in the most technical sense. But the end will result will be, for all intents and purposes, a Federal Gov't body which will be in charge of who does or does not receive care...aka - a death panel.

'The decision is not whether or not we will ration care — the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open."- Dr. Donald Berwick, President Obama's nominee to head the Centers for Medicaid and Medicare Services

It's not a lie. Call it semantics if you wish, but under no circumstances is that a lie.

You simply don't like Americans realizing what is going on here. You'd prefer everyone stay in the dark, not to ask questions, sit down, and just shut up.

"(I)t takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to control the people." - Rep. John Dingell (D-MI)

And here I thought WE THE PEOPLE were in charge, Mr Congressman.

Just another CRAZY idea from us racist Americans, huh?

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:37 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER

If I said I came to these forums to learn more about the issues... well I wouldn't be lying, but I wouldn't be telling the whole truth either. It's amusing watching... or I guess reading the fights, and every now and again I read something that makes me think.

I agree with rappy (though perhaps not so much his aruement method) that Islam seems a mite more dangerous than most religions nowadays , probably because there just isn't enough good examples of Islam speaking out against the bad. Or maybe there are but we never hear about it, that's possible.

Sure there's some unsavory Christian, Jewish, and probably folk from most every religion, but I don't hear about them killing cartoonist because they can't take a religious joke either. I wonder if there is a reliable statistic as to acts of terrorism and how many are islamic terrorist. Or terrorist of other religions, that'd be interesting.

Anyway, I'll consider an opposing view point with an intelligent argument ('specially if they can provide examples). But when we get back into name calling and 'but these people did this' I don't take it seriously.

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:02 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Shifting the goals posts, then.

"What I really meant was...."

You are such a douchebag, Rappy.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

You are the douchebag in this thread...even Niki2 is trying to bring it to your attention...

You fucking stupid cunt. How in the world can you sit here and make an asshole of yourself. QUOTE Aur...in the context of which you blather, otherwise shut the fuck up and stop being a skidmark...fucking fag. You smelly little ballsack....come to me cunt...come....I will own your mind...I will own your dreams....You, little prick, may be a bigger score than Kwicko. I look forward to our chats.......

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:19 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

The effort to show perspective, as in how other religions have done reprehensible things in the past, is all we've been trying to do. And we have certainly said numerous times that Islam is at present the most dangerous, and abhorred their actions. The problem is that we don't do it constantly and we recognize that all religions can be, and HAVE BEEN prostituted through history. It's Islam's turn right now, as it was others' before and will be others' again. That does not make all Muslims bad, and our saying the above is what is being characterized as all the negative things you see; that we are "ignoring" the threat, that we feel "fuzzy warm" about terrorists, and on and on and on, in the most derrogatory terms possible and overblowing our position out of recognition. That's the crux of it. The argument (because it rarely reaches the civility of a "debate") has been going on ever since the New York Community Center stuff began...probably before, I dunno.

I'm happy to listen to opposing views, but not when what I have written directlly is denied, lied about, and thing are said of me which bear absolutely no relation to reality.

Mal4, I take your point and it's a valid one. I guess what I'm talking about is the back and forth; someone clearly explains, he says something only slightly related--or not at all--or denies, name calls, etc., etc. and it goes ON, same stuff, back and forth, and yeah, it even snags me sometimes. I try not to let it and I guess it hits me in the face when I've been away a couple of days and then watch it happen in a thread.

We posted statistics on terrorism...if I remember correctly, in America Muslims accounted for fully 6% of terrorist activities...Hispanics were way ahead with something like 24%; it's been a while, I can'tremember exactly.

There are also tons of examples of good Muslim activities, charitable actions, really wonderful things. I posted just a few, in detail, and links to lists of myriad others. It means nothing. You're right; we don't hear about them. It's not "news": "If it bleeds, it leads". But every terrorist act is covered in gory detail, and some people just eat it up.

So it's not quite the impression you get, Trader, of what's been happening here. Just to let you know.

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:19 AM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by whozit:
So um....their next step is to fly airplanes into buildings, treat woman like 2nd class people, kill gays, censor Hollywood? Do ya think Christians will cheer when they do this? When the these people you defend take power do you think they'll let you live?

Why not, Christians cheer when they do it now. Plenty of Christians treat Women as second class, plenty try to censor Hollywood, plenty commit acts of terrorism, plenty cheered at the TV reports of the invasion of Iraq. American Christians cheer just as loudly at a smart bomb hitting a building as middle eastern Muslims do at a plane hitting the world trade centre. Of course it's different when they do the exact same thing...

Reminds me of Blackadder's portrayal of the first world war:

Quote:
George: The war started because of the vile Hun and his villainous empire-building.

Edmund: George, the British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe, while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganyika. I hardly think that we can be entirely absolved of blame on the imperialistic front.

George: Oh, no, sir, absolutely not. (aside, to Baldick) Mad as a bicycle!

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:09 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by citizen:

Why not, Christians cheer when they do it now. Plenty of Christians treat Women as second class, plenty try to censor Hollywood, plenty commit acts of terrorism, plenty cheered at the TV reports of the invasion of Iraq. American Christians cheer just as loudly at a smart bomb hitting a building as middle eastern Muslims do at a plane hitting the world trade centre. Of course it's different when they do the exact same thing...

" Plenty? " No, they don't. Unless you mean more than a handful as being 'plenty'.

And I don't know ANYONE who 'cheered' at the reports of us invading Iraq. Folks in the Mid East DID cheer and dance in the streets at the sight of the WTC being struck.

Also, a smart bomb hitting a military building is by no means " the exact same thing " as 19 hijackers slitting the throats of female flight attendants, pilots, and then flying commercial airliners full of civilians into civilian buildings,killing some 3,000 men, women and children.

Of course, if you insist that it is, then you'd be forced to agree that Islamic fundamentalists engaged in an act of war on the United States of America, and any retaliation by the U.S.A. was 100% completely justified.

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:28 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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And I don't know ANYONE who 'cheered' at the reports of us invading Iraq.

Apparently you don't know yourself very well. C'mon Rappy, we all remember you shitting bricks about those (phantom) WMD. Jeez, you're certainly capable of being wound up like a toy.

Please, for the love of all that is good- including yourself- please learn to think like a real boy, and stop REACTING to everyone who pushes the right buttons.

"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 3:53 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:

Why not, Christians cheer when they do it now. Plenty of Christians treat Women as second class, plenty try to censor Hollywood, plenty commit acts of terrorism, plenty cheered at the TV reports of the invasion of Iraq. American Christians cheer just as loudly at a smart bomb hitting a building as middle eastern Muslims do at a plane hitting the world trade centre. Of course it's different when they do the exact same thing...

" Plenty? " No, they don't. Unless you mean more than a handful as being 'plenty'.

And I don't know ANYONE who 'cheered' at the reports of us invading Iraq. Folks in the Mid East DID cheer and dance in the streets at the sight of the WTC being struck.

Also, a smart bomb hitting a military building is by no means " the exact same thing " as 19 hijackers slitting the throats of female flight attendants, pilots, and then flying commercial airliners full of civilians into civilian buildings,killing some 3,000 men, women and children.

Of course, if you insist that it is, then you'd be forced to agree that Islamic fundamentalists engaged in an act of war on the United States of America, and any retaliation by the U.S.A. was 100% completely justified.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

Shitizen, this post is just silly. "Plenty"? What is that exactly? Ten? Forty?......I love precision. You sound like Barry and the Dems playing wordy gurdy with the CBO's numbers. Shove your "plenty" up your mother's ass and come back with an honest post.....punk.

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 5:25 AM

RIGHTEOUS9

Thanks for the kind words in both threads Niki. I actually used to post more a couple years ago, There have always been some really good liberal posters on this board, but until you and kwicko started posting, I usually had an angle that I didn't think was being expressed...now that happens less, and most of the time I find somebody has already covered what I would have, better...that goes hand-in-hand with me getting so depressed about the Republican light democratic performance, that I took a break from being informed on a daily basis for a while.

As to my post here, thank you for the encouragement. It's frustrating to have it get no comments, simply because I'm still left in the dark about the strength of my argument. I would like to think that is happening because what i'm saying is inconveneint to the narrative, but the truth may be that somebody thinks he can easily dismiss the content of my post, or really didn't find it that interesting , or somehow, discouragingly, found it irrelevant.

Of course I'm still very curious as to how Rap or Jong would characterize or rebut my post, but I may just have to try again the next time this topic rages, which, given the thread count on it now, tells me I should already be getting writing.

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 6:48 AM

CITIZEN

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

And I don't know ANYONE who 'cheered' at the reports of us invading Iraq. Folks in the Mid East DID cheer and dance in the streets at the sight of the WTC being struck.

Really, I remember there were reams of footage of Americans in bars watching strikes in Iraq and cheering as each hit home. You must not have been paying attention.

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Also, a smart bomb hitting a military building is by no means " the exact same thing " as 19 hijackers slitting the throats of female flight attendants, pilots, and then flying commercial airliners full of civilians into civilian buildings,killing some 3,000 men, women and children.

Indeed, a smart bomb is far more efficient.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Of course, if you insist that it is, then you'd be forced to agree that Islamic fundamentalists engaged in an act of war on the United States of America, and any retaliation by the U.S.A. was 100% completely justified.

You have a funny relationship with logic. I'd agree it was an act of war, whether this was the first strike or a retaliation is arguable, America has been bombing the shit out of the Middle East for decades after all. Going on to say that any retaliation by the US is then justifiable is plain silly. Dropping a nuke on some random city for instance, makes little sense. And retaliating against countries that had little to no involvement in the attacks of "9/11", countries such as Iraq, isn't justifiable as a response either. Neither would be invading France, or Australia or some other random country you don't like very much.

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 6:55 AM

Righteous, the more windows and viewpoints you have to look at something, the clearer the picture is for everyone.

Don't let morons who wanna smear the windows with mud to block out any view but their own discourage you, kiddo.

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 7:18 AM

THEHAPPYTRADER

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Righteous, the more windows and viewpoints you have to look at something, the clearer the picture is for everyone.

Don't let morons who wanna smear the windows with mud to block out any view but their own discourage you, kiddo.

-F

I like that. I don't always, maybe not even often, agree with you in most political forums, but that statement on viewpoints is dead on.

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 7:43 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by citizen:

You have a funny relationship with logic. I'd agree it was an act of war, whether this was the first strike or a retaliation is arguable, America has been bombing the shit out of the Middle East for decades after all. Going on to say that any retaliation by the US is then justifiable is plain silly. Dropping a nuke on some random city for instance, makes little sense. And retaliating against countries that had little to no involvement in the attacks of "9/11", countries such as Iraq, isn't justifiable as a response either. Neither would be invading France, or Australia or some other random country you don't like very much.

And by the same token, *WE* tend to think of 9/11 as an unprovoked attack (that's how it's portrayed in American media, at least), which "justifies" whatever response we undertake in retaliation.

But how do we know *THEY* don't view it as a retaliation for OUR "unprovoked" attacks? Anyone remember a certain Iranian airliner that was shot down by the U.S. some years ago? Killed an awful lot of civilians, and it was a purely unprovoked attack against a nation we weren't at war with.

Just sayin' - one person's "unprovoked attack" is another person's "retaliation for an unprovoked attack", and on and on it goes, an eye for an eye until the whole world is blind...

Al Qaeda "retaliating" for us downing an airliner makes at least as much sense as us "retaliating" against Al Qaeda by invading Iraq.

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:
Originally posted by Storymark:
Shifting the goals posts, then.

"What I really meant was...."

You are such a douchebag, Rappy.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

You are the douchebag in this thread...even Niki2 is trying to bring it to your attention...

You fucking stupid cunt. How in the world can you sit here and make an asshole of yourself. QUOTE Aur...in the context of which you blather, otherwise shut the fuck up and stop being a skidmark...fucking fag. You smelly little ballsack....come to me cunt...come....I will own your mind...I will own your dreams....You, little prick, may be a bigger score than Kwicko. I look forward to our chats.......

God, you and Rappy are both so easy.

For FOUR YEARS now I've been very clear, I've even told Rappy several time - I enjoy pissing you off. How have you NOT gotten this.

Too easy.

What I find amusing is that I can come here with the express purpose of trolling Rappy - and I still manage to be more eloquent, polite and coherent than your sorry ass.

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Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:14 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
And I don't know ANYONE who 'cheered' at the reports of us invading Iraq.
Apparently you don't know yourself very well. C'mon Rappy, we all remember you shitting bricks about those (phantom) WMD. Jeez, you're certainly capable of being wound up like a toy.

You mean like Bill Clinton, and these folks ?

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002......

You really do excel in FAIL.

And M4P ? Still huntin' down that 'lie' ?

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