My Rant concerning the present 'American Way' from an old-school hard-worker by chrisisall

See, ultra-conservative dorks that love the direction our country is going in never have been able to fully address this- the deification of the corporation.
And corporations are essentially para-wanna-be-military in nature.
So, THEIR America is the one of Columbus cutting off the hands of slaves not finding enough gold, or Reaganomic-on-fire-tires surrounding the bodies of the peeps that resisted the Contra "Freedom Fighters".

Chain of command. More important than intelligent contribution or analysis.

You peeps that accept this suck.*

*The preceding was brought to you by the *CHRISISALL HAS HAD ENOUGH* Endowment for the arts & humanities Corporation of World Bullshit Endeavours & Anti-Destruction Stuff.

The Ranting Chrisisall

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Monday, October 4, 2010 3:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
chrisisall wrote:
Monday, October 04, 2010 15:27

See, ultra-conservative dorks that love the direction our country is going in never have been able to fully address this- the deification of the corporation.

One of my all time fav Buffy lines....

" I think I speak for everyone here when I say 'HUH'? "

Please, I beg of you.... s'plain THAT one to me.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Monday, October 4, 2010 3:55 PM

Corporations paid over 50% of the taxes in the 1950's (A time when the owners were just extremely well-off); now they pay 5% (Now they are obscenely well-off).
Math & History. Not your strengths, clearly.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, October 4, 2010 4:12 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Please, I beg of you.... s'plain THAT one to me.

Laws.
Hundreds of laws.
Thousands of laws.

Millions of laws.

They began as a form of help. They exist as a form of manipulation.

Does that s'plain it to you, Little Ricky?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, October 4, 2010 4:44 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Corporations don't pay taxes.

They collect them, from us, the customers, and pass them on to the Gov't.

Sillyrabbitisall.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Monday, October 4, 2010 5:20 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Rich people steal. That's how they get rich.

Especially jews. Ask Bernie Madoff, who founded the NASDAQ stock market and stole more than all other criminals combined.*

*Not counting the $30-trillion stolen by the kosher "Federal" Reserve Banksters in the past 2 years. The kosher "Federal" Reserve Banksters stole 100% of all federal income tax revenue from the past 40 years.

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Monday, October 4, 2010 5:23 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Corporations don't pay taxes.

They collect them, from us, the customers, and pass them on to the Gov't.

You're half right. They collect them, all right.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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Monday, October 4, 2010 6:16 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER

The American way... I wonder exactly what that means.

I vaguely remember parents (afore divorce) equating that to making it on your own... or maybe it was owning a house? I dunno, didn't understand much back then so I stayed absorbed in my legos.

From what I remember growing up, the American way seems to be redistributing prosperity. One of the few things the 'rents could agree on was the fact that we were "very fortunate" which I still didn't quite understand, so I stuck with the legos.

Then one day I had an epiphany. Maybe people are actually like legos. They aren't the same and don't all fit in the same places, so maybe we shouldn't try to make them. Then my little sister stole some. I got angry at her, but I also got mom to get her some of her own for Christmas.

I guess that's the American way. Can't stop those "less fortunate" from stealing, so just give stuff to them later and hope they get better. Did I get it right?

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Monday, October 4, 2010 7:32 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Tsk, Chris, thing is, you keep lookin at it from the wrong end - you're playing a suckers game with his marked deck at his table, and sure, you have to play the hand you're dealt...

But given the circumstances, only a fool would play it honestly.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, October 5, 2010 2:56 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I saw this girl stealing. Three separate occasions. Not a poor girl. Last time I confronted her and told her taking things was wrong. She acted like she didn't know that.

There's your problem right there.

Figure out why that girl doesn't understand how stealing is wrong, and why your bosses are so nervious about calling her on it, and you'll know what happened to The American Way.

Consider that she has probably been told all her life that she's entitled, just by existing, to whatever she wants. She's been told all about her rights, but no one mentioned responsibilities. She knows that there are plenty of people who will support her if she calls accusations of theft discrimination.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, October 5, 2010 4:09 AM

BYTEMITE

Quote:
Originally posted by piratenews:
Rich people steal. That's how they get rich.

Especially jews. Ask Bernie Madoff, who founded the NASDAQ stock market and stole more than all other criminals combined.*

*Not counting the $30-trillion stolen by the kosher "Federal" Reserve Banksters in the past 2 years. The kosher "Federal" Reserve Banksters stole 100% of all federal income tax revenue from the past 40 years.

Technically Bernie Madoff just chaired for NASDAQ. If he was more important in the scheme of things, he wouldn't have been arrested and put on trial.

Not that he didn't do what they accused him of. Because he did. Someone just exposed him, most likely as a retaliation or pre-emptive strike for exactly what he got caught for, since he pissed a lot of people off with his investment scheme.

But you're right in that he may have a hand in some other stuff on the side, which no one will call him on because it would incriminate everyone involved.

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Tuesday, October 5, 2010 4:31 AM

KANEMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
The American way... I wonder exactly what that means.

I vaguely remember parents (afore divorce) equating that to making it on your own... or maybe it was owning a house? I dunno, didn't understand much back then so I stayed absorbed in my legos.

From what I remember growing up, the American way seems to be redistributing prosperity. One of the few things the 'rents could agree on was the fact that we were "very fortunate" which I still didn't quite understand, so I stuck with the legos.

Then one day I had an epiphany. Maybe people are actually like legos. They aren't the same and don't all fit in the same places, so maybe we shouldn't try to make them. Then my little sister stole some. I got angry at her, but I also got mom to get her some of her own for Christmas.

I guess that's the American way. Can't stop those "less fortunate" from stealing, so just give stuff to them later and hope they get better. Did I get it right?

Almost. I see it more as my reality growing up. When my sister wanted to use my perfectly intact and sharp red crayon, I would laugh at her and tell her to fuck off and get her own. Only when my crayon was snapped into pieces so small as to be unholdable would I give it to her. See, she didn't have crayons(welfare case), however I recognized she had other toys to play with and thought she should be happy and content with which she had or get her own crayons(conservative philosophy) until my crayons trickled down(brilliant economic model)to her and she would not be thankful for what she got, who would be?. It was this way of life that created a doctor, a nurse, and a broker from a small "economically humble" family. The harsh reality that no one is going to give you anything of VALUE, sure you can wait for their scraps and be happy, But if you want something go and earn it...go get your own or you will never REALLY get the whole crayon... just a small piece and be stuck forever desiring other peoples shit(Liberals)

That is the American way....sadly both ways.

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Tuesday, October 5, 2010 4:38 AM

AGENTROUKA

Gee whiz. I'm glad I had no brother like that.

My sister and I shared things. I love my sister.

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Tuesday, October 5, 2010 5:44 AM

OF COURSE Kaney grew up on welfare. How very tea-baggish of him! "I got mine, fuck you" is the tea-baggers' motto.

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Tuesday, October 5, 2010 9:11 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:

There's your problem right there.

Figure out why that girl doesn't understand how stealing is wrong, and why your bosses are so nervious about calling her on it, and you'll know what happened to The American Way.

Geeze, you liberal dope!

To ME, The American Way means truth & justice.
Somewhere it became lies & injustice. Under & over-reaction. We can start a war on a whim, but we can't stop shoplifters who don't steal "too much."
America right now is like a frog on a hot plate.

And I'm ALLLL outta bubblegum.

The Nada Chrisisall

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Tuesday, October 5, 2010 1:00 PM

WHOZIT

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I saw this girl stealing. Three separate occasions. Not a poor girl. Last time I confronted her and told her taking things was wrong. She acted like she didn't know that. I consulted loss prevention & the assistant manager- the former said, "I dunno, these things are... complicated..." as he watched video of her stealing. The assistant manager said, "I wouldn't say anything to her; I could get in trouble."
She was taking maybe $5 worth a day.

Same shit from my last job.

Don't work too hard, don't care so much; don't rock the boat.

Why is this country so fucked up right now?
Gee, tell me, please.

"Planes from a major airport aimed at major targets in the U.S.??? You must be kidding me! If I pass shit like THAT up the line & it's wrong, it'll be my ASS!!! Fuck you [name missing], keep shit like that to yourself, or you're done here, asshole."

The laughing Chrisisall

This would have gotten you fired at CNN.

Those arn't boobs, they're lies! - Stewie Griffin

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Tuesday, October 5, 2010 1:06 PM

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Originally posted by whozit:
This would have gotten you fired at CNN.

Which particular part?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, October 5, 2010 1:25 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

This scenario is very odd to me, considering the number of people I've seen be fired for theft. If there was no proof (such as video) management would grind their teeth over suspicion and speculation, but if there was any proof, swift termination would follow. Usually some kind of "wrongful termination" lawsuit would also follow, but I was never given any details on those. Being caught on tape can't have helped anyone's case.

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Tuesday, October 5, 2010 1:30 PM

Oh no, PR, the girl was(is) a customer; employees go through hell for even the suspicion of theft. Go for the easy target, I guess.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, October 5, 2010 3:50 PM

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
To ME, The American Way means truth & justice.
Somewhere it became lies & injustice. Under & over-reaction. We can start a war on a whim, but we can't stop shoplifters who don't steal "too much."

Once again, it goes back to why your shoplifter girl doesn't think she's doing wrong. Why she's been taught that what she's doing isn't wrong. Why she thinks she's entitled to do what she wants, with no consequences. Why she'll demand her rights and give no thought to her responsibilities to others.

Next time you see her boosting stuff, ask her.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, October 6, 2010 9:21 AM

Interesting points you raise on this Geezer.
I blame society in general for losing sight of "Truth & Justice." She's just behaving in response to some sense of disconnection from the good side, if you will. IMO.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, October 6, 2010 10:49 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Interesting points you raise on this Geezer.
I blame society in general for losing sight of "Truth & Justice." She's just behaving in response to some sense of disconnection from the good side, if you will. IMO.

Another thing to consider is the main difference between shoplifter girl and crooked bankers, businessmen, brokers, etc.

She really doesn't understand that what she's doing is wrong, whereas the rich crooks do - and even joke about their cleverness in getting away with stuff.

I'm not sure which is more discouraging.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, October 6, 2010 11:19 AM

Oh, SHE understands all right. Else why would she wait 'till she *thinks* no one's looking?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, October 6, 2010 3:17 PM

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Oh, SHE understands all right. Else why would she wait 'till she *thinks* no one's looking?

Because she doesn't want the hassle of getting caught, not because she thinks it's wrong. Remember, you said, "Last time I confronted her and told her taking things was wrong. She acted like she didn't know that."

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Wednesday, October 6, 2010 3:24 PM

She "acted."
That's different than "knowing."
She clearly believes what she decides to do is justified, like a certain President that declared war even though the UN said not to.

Civilization is beginning to crumble, Geezer.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, October 6, 2010 3:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
To ME, The American Way means truth & justice.
Somewhere it became lies & injustice. Under & over-reaction. We can start a war on a whim, but we can't stop shoplifters who don't steal "too much."

Once again, it goes back to why your shoplifter girl doesn't think she's doing wrong. Why she's been taught that what she's doing isn't wrong. Why she thinks she's entitled to do what she wants, with no consequences. Why she'll demand her rights and give no thought to her responsibilities to others.

Next time you see her boosting stuff, ask her.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Maybe she's a Future Tea-Bagger! She's living The American Dream™ (New and Improved! Now Made In China!) - she can do whatever she wants because that's the way America works now. Do what you want, and if it blows up in your face, you'll get a bail-out from the Republicans if you're rich enough! And there's no pesky regulations to keep you from doing anything wrong, because you have the right to do whatever you want, and none of the responsibilities when it all goes to hell!

You've just seen the tea-baggers' vision of the perfect patriot, Chris.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Wednesday, October 6, 2010 3:57 PM

Sadly, I think you may be right, Mike.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 7, 2010 2:09 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Maybe it's just that you're getting older...history is full of middle aged people bemoaning how everything was better in their youth, and how the world has gone to the dogs and the rest

Youth is full of promise and hope and ambition, everything seems possible, and then reality sets in that life is not as easy or fulfilling as you thought it might be. Maybe that's happening to the US as a nation, you've hit the middle aged doldrums.

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Thursday, October 7, 2010 2:19 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Maybe it's just that you're getting older...history is full of middle aged people bemoaning how everything was better in their youth,

Listen young lady, things were NOT better in my youth! We were killing peeps in Vietnam- theirs AND ours. Kent State & the justification... MKUltra, Watergate... the problem is that it never gets any BETTER!!! In my youth I thought it would get BETTER. To find it stays THE SAME is what hurts.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 7, 2010 2:27 PM

THEHAPPYTRADER

Kwicko it now occurs to me that my theory on the American Way came from German toys (legos are German right?) and that is unamerican. I like baseball but have never eaten an apple pie. I fear I am unable at this point and to truely grasp what is American.

Unless Jazz counts. Using the Jazz analogy, does America become an inconsistant force based around a fundamental theme developed and tweaked by each individual player that takes the lead for a point in time. We do kind of long for the older days of Miles Davis or Louie Armstrong when we get tired of the 'cut sessions' (basically a 'look what I can do' solo that looses all musicality and artistry but impressess those musically unsophisticated with the shear number of high notes or fast passages).

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Thursday, October 7, 2010 2:53 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Maybe it's just that you're getting older...history is full of middle aged people bemoaning how everything was better in their youth, and how the world has gone to the dogs and the rest

Youth is full of promise and hope and ambition, everything seems possible, and then reality sets in that life is not as easy or fulfilling as you thought it might be. Maybe that's happening to the US as a nation, you've hit the middle aged doldrums.

Yeah, I've never really gotten that, even as I close in on the big five-oh. I've seen an awful lot, done a lot, been around the world, but I still can't wait to see what's next! I suppose the day I quit wondering and anticipating will be the day I pull the ol' pistola out of the nightstand for the last time... I'm thinking that's a lot of days away, though.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Thursday, October 7, 2010 2:54 PM

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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
Kwicko it now occurs to me that my theory on the American Way came from German toys (legos are German right?) and that is unamerican. I like baseball but have never eaten an apple pie. I fear I am unable at this point and to truely grasp what is American.

Unless Jazz counts. Using the Jazz analogy, does America become an inconsistant force based around a fundamental theme developed and tweaked by each individual player that takes the lead for a point in time. We do kind of long for the older days of Miles Davis or Louie Armstrong when we get tired of the 'cut sessions' (basically a 'look what I can do' solo that looses all musicality and artistry but impressess those musically unsophisticated with the shear number of high notes or fast passages).

If I read you right, you're saying that Miles Davis > Kenny G, yah?

If so, I heartily - and hardily - agree.

The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.

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Thursday, October 7, 2010 2:54 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Maybe it's just that you're getting older...history is full of middle aged people bemoaning how everything was better in their youth,
Listen young lady, things were NOT better in my youth! We were killing peeps in Vietnam- theirs AND ours. Kent State & the justification... MKUltra, Watergate... the problem is that it never gets any BETTER!!! In my youth I thought it would get BETTER. To find it stays THE SAME is what hurts.

Listen, you old fart, we are the SAME age, so don't come the YOUNG LADY with me. (Actually I quite liked it)

And you are wrong that it was all yucky in the past. I remember the past, it was all [Mum's at home baking apple pies okay she's on valium and the pie tastes strangely meaty and WHERE is my new kitten anyway and Dad was all manly okay so he never spoke to me until I was 17 but he went out and earned a living like a man should and he mowed the lawn on the weekend and we all went on picnics on Sunday which was a special kind of hell being driven all over the country side in an unairconditioned car with vinyl seats and five kids and we always got bitten by ants when we ate our picnic lunch and the softdrink was warm and flat but it was way way better back then because women were women and men were men and sheep were scared or something anyway]

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Thursday, October 7, 2010 3:13 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Listen, you old fart, we are the SAME age, so don't come the YOUNG LADY with me. (Actually I quite liked it)

You're 50? I wouldn't have imagined from your repartee. My Wife is 50, and quite the hotgirl for her age.
I guess 50 is the new 40...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 7, 2010 4:21 PM

FREMDFIRMA

It does get better Chris, but that takes time, and often you don't get to see the impact, just the crater.

The hellcamps are gone, various other social issues are being addressed, and of course no one trusts the Catholic Church so much any more...

But still, from that point, fifteen to thirty YEARS for the wounds to heal, and all the while the same kind of shitheads trying to slash new ones, the same way our so-called "protectors" actually started the shit we're mired in back in 1953 when they capped Mossedeigh - and we'll be choking on the blowback from our current idiocy for about that long.

In order for things to GET BETTER, first, we gotta stop doin the damage, and we're workin on that, but it's a matter of numbers, gotta get enough pebbles rolling to cause the avalanche, to turn the tide around, and that was the plan, first cut off the means to strangle and slaughter the consciousness of the empathic, the visionaries, that social progress REQUIRES.

Sweden, about fifteen years ago, made a single change in how they treated their young, and socially they're just that far ahead of us as a direct result.

So, mainly it's two fronts to it - we need to stop mangling the psyches of our young in the name of mashing them to fit into a society gone rabid...

And we need to realize and accept that our so-called protectors are actually predators, and the primary threat and source of much of our social misery - which, since no other method at this time can be accomplished without massive bloodshed, we need to stop FUNDING.

Cause that's what it all comes down to - cut off the MONEY, and you slice the arteries of the beast, then it will bleed to death.

If but one teenage punk with a grudge, starting out, could accomplish so much as I have, consider well what might happen if you no longer had to hope single visionaries caught a miracle and slipped through the cracks of a system designed to eliminate them, but rather were given the support and resources to act, rather than having to steal them, piecemeal, in the dark ?

It all comes down to breaking the cycle of abuse, because if you break it in the people, the family, you will break it in government soon after, and nationally, then worldwide.

Because what is our treatment of other nations, truly, but the action of a violent father who wins out simply because he is larger and stronger, not because he is right ?

Sometimes, it *IS* that simple, Chris.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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